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I'm keeping iOS 7.1.2 on my iPad Air 1 as people here have complained of orientation and animation issues. But I have no complaints on my iPhone 6 :)
 
I thought the lag and the overheating of the unit on many apps was obscene (but at least I had phone signal! unlike those new Iphone 6 owners) so I thought that apple would take care of all that w IOS 8.1 and it would improve on the optimizing the performance on my phone...and that's why I didn't downgrade... now I absolutely regret that choice!

Yeah, IOS8.1 is definitely not optimized for "old phones"... I have all my apps updated to the latest version... And while I couldn't care less if it was still my phone, having basic apps like FB and Safari not working properly for my mom makes me feel like "I am getting rid of a useless piece of junk" instead of handing over a perfectly functioning piece of equipment (like it was a couple of weeks ago) that she could use...

You seem to think I've actually not seen a 4S with 8 and you can tell me things like that and I'll just swallow them whole. My sister has the 4S and she uses for work (so a lot more use than your mother) and all she's reporting only a slight slowing down, nothing else.

If the phone is hot, means its functioning all the time, which means some settings and app keep your phone active all the time. You have to change the standard settings in 8 if you want your 4S to not be slow btw? Many settings get reset and new settings are introduced that impact battery life and usefulness, when you upgrade. That's why every time there is an upgrade, people complain about battery life.

Animation and network settings of the phone and the apps are usually the ones you have to look at when getting a new version.

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Hi brianvictor7,

No, it's not flame bait. Android is the dominant system. Apple's iOS started out as the only game in town. There has been a steady erosion.

I'm not certain as to the percentage. The last time I read a recent item Android was running on about 80% of mobile devices.

Susan, $30 dollar android on a stick you plug into a TV hdmi (really crappy btw) are considered Android activations... That should tell you something. Apple, will never, ever compete with those things. So, it is a given that it will "erode".

All Chinese phones are "Android", but have nothing Google on them at all : nothing. Still counted as Android though. Android space is massively fragmented, so much so that even counting them as a whole is a bit ridiculous. Can the $30 crap stick running 2.2 really be compared to a Note 4 running Lollipop? From a software and hardware perspective they are in a different galaxy. IOS tends to have more people on both the latest software and the latest hardware.

If you count high end smartphones, Apple is largely above 50%, that has not changed lately.
 
Lollipop isn't even out yet, but nice try. Don't bother trying again.

You have no clue...hmmm? Nice try yourself.

This is from Yahoo News MONDAY. I don't even have an android phone and knew this.

“The very first Moto X variant getting the update is the ‘Pure Edition’ — an unlocked version of the phone, and for right now it’s going out to people who signed up for the ‘soak test"

So, a subset of normal phones did get the update. All Motorolas and Nexus will get Lollipop fast. Others? Who knows, though many have promise a quick update.
 
My Dad is a proud 5%er. He has a 3GS. Still. He basically uses it as an iPod. But he's 82, so he can do whatever he wants in my book. :)

I'm nowhere near 82 but I'm using my 2nd gen iPod Touch daily to browse the web. Still rock'n 4.2.1
 
Actually a lot of people are having iOS 8 issues on iPad 2. Even on a fresh install, iOS 8 is slower than iOS 7 (I tested both) and it stutters a lot. People want to go back to iOS 7 as it was stable and fast.

It is YOUR anecdote; I can spout the opposite and of course I'd be "right"...

BTW, LOTS is a weasel word that means nothing; you should thus work in marketing where they are kings of such words.
 
Android is the dominant system. Apple's iOS started out as the only game in town. There has been a steady erosion.

I'm not certain as to the percentage. The last time I read a recent item Android was running on about 80% of mobile devices.

If we're talking about smartphones... iOS was NEVER the dominant system.

When the iPhone first came out in 2007... Symbian was the dominant system. Then Android rose up to become the dominant system.

But the iPhone was NEVER the market share leader in smartphones. Ever.

If we're talking about tablets... yes it's a different story. iOS did have 95% of the tablet market at one time. It certainly doesn't have that anymore... but that's due to the prevalence of all those "garbage" tablets being pumped into the market.

My interest is not how much market share a particular platform has... it's what they DO with it.

Since the iPhone has NEVER been the dominant platform... how did iPhone apps become so popular? And why are there developers who make iPhone-only apps?

In tablets... developers have always focused on the iPad. But since the iPad has "lost" so much market share... why do developers still make iPad apps? Shouldn't they be making amazing tablet apps for Android?

Clearly there's more to this than just the market share number.

So yeah... you can talk about Android's dominance.... but you should also look at actual results.
 
People who use iOS 8 on older devices:
"It's pretty buggy/laggy. Hold off."

Developers:
"I have 10 devices and iOS 8 works perfectly on all of them!"


That's about all I ever see in these threads... The people who benefit from everyone being on the latest iOS telling everyone to get it, with little regard to the issues of upgrading for the users.

I remember them all saying iOS 7.0 wasn't any slower (it was brutal) than 6, then 7.1 came out and made it quicker, we all knew 7.0 was a dog.
 
Yeah, we should trust the guy who can't spell 'know'. Apple's apps such as Pages, Numbers, and Keynote require iOS 8. John Gruber's app Vesper requires iOS 8. Guess neither company has 'formal training'. Most other apps required iOS 7. Developing 2 generations behind the times (which covers about 3% of users still on iOS 6) vastly complicates apps leading to bugs and delayed feature introductions.

That's because Pages, Numbers & Keynote all support the new hand off feature in OSX10.10 & iOS8.

If you don't need to support a new feature of iOS8 then why limit your potential customer base to 55%?
You proclaim great knowledge of development but you don't demonstrate it in any of your posts here.

I trust him better than someone who adds no value to forum discussions, no interesting insights, personal experiences, original thoughts or views.
Ask yourself why every one of your posts is an attack on other people.
That tells us a lot about you.
 
We need a maths expert. Where's Doctor Q when you need him!

Let me try.

The problem is caused by adding rounded numbers, their [rounded] sum is not necessarily equal to their actual sum.

Suppose, the real numbers are exactly 55.51%, 39.51%, and 4.98%. Their sum is 100.00%. If you round them even, you get 56, 40, and 5, sum 101. Bad bad bad.

The solution a good [non-existent at Apple these days, it seems] programmer would do is to do a loop: start with the even-number rounding, and while the sum of rounded parts is not equal to 100, do the rounding to the next significant digit. In this case, this means rounding to 0.1: 55.5+39.5+5.0=100.

Yes, this will make the graph look more busy, but will avoid this utter Math 101 embarrassment: no matter what, the percentages of the whole must add up to exactly 100.

It's things like these that make me extra happy that I have Note 4 in my pocket and Gear S on my wrist. :apple: is dead.
 
Let me try.

The problem is caused by adding rounded numbers, their [rounded] sum is not necessarily equal to their actual sum.

Suppose, the real numbers are exactly 55.51%, 39.51%, and 4.98%. Their sum is 100.00%. If you round them even, you get 56, 40, and 5, sum 101. Bad bad bad.

The solution a good [non-existent at Apple these days, it seems] programmer would do is to do a loop: start with the even-number rounding, and while the sum of rounded parts is not equal to 100, do the rounding to the next significant digit. In this case, this means rounding to 0.1: 55.5+39.5+5.0=100.

Yes, this will make the graph look more busy, but will avoid this utter Math 101 embarrassment: no matter what, the percentages of the whole must add up to exactly 100.

It's things like these that make me extra happy that I have Note 4 in my pocket and Gear S on my wrist. :apple: is dead.
Yes, Apple is certainly doomed because of things of this nature. (And clearly no other companies, no matter how good even, ever have small fairly insignificant hiccups like this at all, and when they do they are clearly doomed too as history shows.)
 
Yes, Apple is certainly doomed because of things of this nature. (And clearly no other companies, no matter how good even, ever have small fairly insignificant hiccups like this at all, and when they do they are clearly doomed too as history shows.)

:apple: is doomed not because of things of this nature. :apple: is doomed because of other reasons, and things of this nature are merely signs of its doom.
 
Lollipop isn't even out yet, but nice try. Don't bother trying again.

*woosh* that's the sound of the joke flying over your head.

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Let me tell you why, although your comment is "cute", is irrelevant.

First of all - who really cares? If you're device is doing exactly what you need, what difference does it matter if someone else has updated or not. Or if an OS you aren't using is available
Second - Lollipop is ONLY just starting to roll out and unlike iOS, goes through a process with carriers and manufactures.
Third - iOS 8.x has been out longer
Fourth - Android "works" quite differently than iOS because while full OS updates bring new features and benefits, all of the core apps are regularly updated many times over the year "necessitating" the "need" for a full OS update less important on Android than on iOS. An Android user doesn't have to wait for a new OS or update to the OS to have many of their core apps updated. And now that Google has such control over Play services, they can do a lot of "behind the scenes" updates without needing a new OS or to go through carriers/manufacturers.

Cute comment, and obvious why you would get upvotes on it, but a silly comment if there was a shred of sincerity in it.

again, *woosh*
 
*woosh* that's the sound of the joke flying over your head.

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again, *woosh*

Nope - no whoosh - just noting that your comment was pretty silly. Perhaps my response is what went whooosh and over your head and that's the sound you're hearing :)
 
:apple: is doomed not because of things of this nature. :apple: is doomed because of other reasons, and things of this nature are merely signs of its doom.
Or things of this nature have nothing to do with anything else aside from just random mistakes that happen to anyone at anytime without being related to anything else.
 
I guess I am one of the 5%. I'm on 6.1.4 on iPhone 5 with iTunes 10.7
Fast, reliable, can use iTunes 10.7, better battery life, immediate syncing, better music app, better media organization. No downside. :)
Hoping to get the most out of iTunes 10.7 as long as I can. Apple has just gutted iTunes and unfortunately iOS as well since then.

First, prove it. Second, iTunes 10.8 isn't bad, same with iOS7.
 
No other reason for this buggy OS. They sold you a new device. Mission accomplished.

I would agree with that, planned obselence seems that it may be the goal. I was holding out for the 6S next year as I wanted the bigger screen size and touchID and I have a feeling 32GB will be the starting memory config so they would have got my upgrade money anyway, they just got it earlier than I had planned. Still, my wife has Galaxy S3 she hates, so I guess next year she will have an iPhone 6 while I get the 6S.
 
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