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Apple is not exactly to blame here. That diagram is posted on their developer pages and is thus first meant for developers. What do developers care about? The App Store and its users. They don’t care about those millions of users that are not represented on this diagram, because these are not their potential customers. The fault lies with those who treat the diagram as a proxy for overall adoption of iOS versions, which was not the data Apple intended to show.

Very valid point. And one I am sure most overlooked.
 
You and me both. I learned my lesson the hard way with my last iPhone with updates that brought performance to a halt. My iPhone 5 will keep iOS 6. I'll update the operating system when I have hardware that can handle it. You won't make my phone obsolete this time, Apple!

It's probably important to add that Apple does make your iOS device obsolete, bit by bit, over time if you stay on the original iOS version with just point updates (your iPhone 5 with iOS 6 is the perfect example - I have one myself with iOS 6, which I love).

Here's how they do it....you can't use Facetime on that iPhone 5 on iOS 6, because Apple had the certificates supporting Facetime in iOS 6 expire shortly after iOS 7 was released (if you wanted Facetime on that iPhone 5 you have to upgrade to iOS 7/8). Presumably that's not the only certificate validated functionality that will expire (I'd guess iMessage will time bomb at some point as well).

I agree with what you're saying - unfortunately existing functionality on the devices will die over time as the supporting certificates expire - so Apple does make the devices become obsolete (if they stay on their release iOS version - besides point updates) as time marches on.
 
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New users don't know what was really good before. That's why they think it is good. New is always good, right?

Yea, I noticed. We are looking into this right now. Sorry for the inconvenience.
 
My Dad is a proud 5%er. He has a 3GS. Still. He basically uses it as an iPod. But he's 82, so he can do whatever he wants in my book. :)


Tell Dad that there are many of us proud 6 per centers. I could easily be his daughter. My iDevices are on iOS 5 and 6. No plans to downgrade to 8.

It was pushed to iPad mini. That got rid of the uninstalled 7 that was pushed last year :)
 
I see your point and agree with it but I’m not sure the figures would change a bustin lot. These are statistics and they can be presented to show whatever you want in a favourable light if you get the right ones.

Case in point. Tim Crook loves to harp on about the percentage of users on the latest OS, (which is quite high), in comparison to Android or Windows. He could actually just give raw numbers which wouldn’t look nearly so impressive.
He could also give both which although takes increased time and research is the most transparent route.

Cook loves to gush about the percentage of users on the latest OS. I doubt he wants to talk about the tiny little marketshare of iOS users.
 
The only thing IOS 8 done for me was make me get an iPhone 6 to get some usability back. My 4S was a joy to use under IOS 6, on IOS 7 there was a jitter or two but nothing dramatic. IOS 8 made it annoyingly unusable for my liking. So everyone celebrating how great it is that Apple give us all the latest OS... fine and dandy of you have the latest phone, sucks otherwise. These are the same people that laugh at Android users who are on a older version of Android... If they were on a later version of Android their phone would probably suck as much as my 4S did on IOS 8.

No other reason for this buggy OS. They sold you a new device. Mission accomplished.
 
Not overly impressed with the new features. Plus: I don't wanna "learn" a new OS every couple of months. Plus: I don't wanna experiment whether iOS 8 does to my iPhone 4s and iPad 2 what iOS 7 did to my iPhone 4. Plus: The iPhone 5s at work is still on iOS 7; so why should i disrupt my overall user experience?

Everything i own remains on iOS 7. I just regained 3-4 Go on all devices by deleting the iOS 8 installation file Apple "offered" me.

I'll probably definitely move away from the iPhone in the near future because of Apple's unlocked prices. Does anyone know with which version of iOS the refurbished 5th generation iPod Touch are currently sold (So that i can keep a cheap lifeline into iCloud)?

Sorry to see you dropping the iPhone. I personally haven't had trouble navigating the minimal changes they made to iOS 8. They haven't moved any furniture around: just added a few things.

Refurbs are best bought off the Apple website, though you might get a good deal at BestBuy black Friday on a new one.
 
Apple said that 90 something percent of ios users are on ios7, while only 9 or so percent of android users are on KitKat. That's a rather retarded comparison, because there is a significantly lower amount of android devices around compatible with KitKat as compared to ios devices compatible with ios7.

He could technically be right seeing how beta testers would have it.

No. Or would the beta testing of yosemite conclude the official adoption rate of yosemite?
 
Cook loves to gush about the percentage of users on the latest OS. I doubt he wants to talk about the tiny little marketshare of iOS users.

Is that flame bait? Define tiny.

Per http://www.theverge.com/2014/6/2/5772344/apple-wwdc-2014-stats-update Apple has sold more than 800 million iOS devices, 130 million new iOS users in the last year.

Is iOS < Android in total numbers? Sure (See here for a chart) But it is rather odd to call hundreds of millions "tiny"

Besides which, who cares? That "tiny" number is making a decidely non-tiny percentage of the mobile market's profit.
 
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I might just be being stupid or something, or not totally understand the "statistic" world .... but 56+40+5=101 ...... I thought it should only add up to 100%?! :rolleyes:

Not that hard to comprehend...

These numbers were likely rounded up. From something like (totally out of my arse):
55.6
39.6
4.8

Just like "56%" was then rounded up to 60%... Just sloppy, if you ask me.
 
Apple is not exactly to blame here. That diagram is posted on their developer pages and is thus first meant for developers. What do developers care about? The App Store and its users. They don’t care about those millions of users that are not represented on this diagram, because these are not their potential customers. The fault lies with those who treat the diagram as a proxy for overall adoption of iOS versions, which was not the data Apple intended to show.

It goes hand in hand. Apple encourages devs to use the latest version of iOS and its features because it helps boost sales and, generally speaking, move forward. I don't think it's some sort of twisted scheme tho, let's just be a bit more honest about "those" numbers.
 
Apple said that 90 something percent of ios users are on ios7, while only 9 or so percent of android users are on KitKat. That's a rather retarded comparison, because there is a significantly lower amount of android devices around compatible with KitKat as compared to ios devices compatible with ios7.

That sounds like 2013's news, but why is that comparison retarded? It highlights one of the inherent weaknesses of spreading one's OS across literally hundreds of different hardware platform designs. It makes it hard on app developers to upgrade their customer base. It means that Android must work that much harder to program security updates coordinate new features.
 
I know 2 people with an Ipad 2 and IOS 8 (and I've used those tablets quite a bit since they stay at my place when they're in town) and you're way way overstating the problems IOS 8 has on these devices.

IOS 8 and IOS 7 are very similar from a UI perspective so I'm not sure why people would want to go back to 7 considering the issues for most people are ZERO. For the few whiners here the issues are obviously astronomical... Different point of view I suppose.

Actually a lot of people are having iOS 8 issues on iPad 2. Even on a fresh install, iOS 8 is slower than iOS 7 (I tested both) and it stutters a lot. People want to go back to iOS 7 as it was stable and fast.
 
Is that flame bait? Define tiny.

Per http://www.theverge.com/2014/6/2/5772344/apple-wwdc-2014-stats-update Apple has sold more than 800 million iOS devices, 130 million new iOS users in the last year.

Is iOS < Android in total numbers? Sure (See here for a chart) But it is rather odd to call hundreds of millions "tiny"

Besides which, who cares? That "tiny" number is making a decidely non-tiny percentage of the mobile market's profit.

Hi brianvictor7,

No, it's not flame bait. Android is the dominant system. Apple's iOS started out as the only game in town. There has been a steady erosion.

I'm not certain as to the percentage. The last time I read a recent item Android was running on about 80% of mobile devices.
 
I have my iPhone 5s running 7.0.6 and iPad 2 running 6.1.2
My only issues are all hardware-related, nothing wrong with the software.
 
Not very good. Apple could get near 100% transition if they would support older devices. Same for MacOSX. It really isn't that hard (gracefully fall back on features that are too advance for the hardware, envelope for older APIs), they're experts and they've got the hundreds of billions of dollars in cash sitting around in cash that could be applied to legacy support. The result would be hundreds of millions of older still functional Macs and iOS devices would be kept running, out of the land fills, users of those would continue accessing iTunes and the App stores thus buying more and older devices get passed down to introduce new users to the Mac/iOS garden. This is environmentally and financially green. It would let Apple achieve near 100% adoption of the new OSs while continuing to support old hardware and software.
 
Hi brianvictor7,

No, it's not flame bait. Android is the dominant system. Apple's iOS started out as the only game in town. There has been a steady erosion.

I'm not certain as to the percentage. The last time I read a recent item Android was running on about 80% of mobile devices.

No argument there. All that is pretty much as I have heard it.
 
We've reached a trend where minimal design is considered great because it doesn't distract the users away from the content itself. I liked both designs but I believe iOS 7 and up, and OS X Yosemite have made everything simpler and more user friendly. Watching my grandparents play my my devices, I noticed that they seemed to comprehend everything better now than with the skeuomorphic design. In the end, it is all based on personal preference.

I certainly agree with you insofar as you're saying it's a matter of personal preference. I don't like when people act as though the minimalism of iOS 7/8 and Yosemite are either inevitable or inherently better. It's a design choice, one that will appeal to some people and not others. Personally, I think there's a happy medium to be found between some of the over-the-top skeuomorphism of iOS 6 and the barren landscape that is iOS 7/8. On the OS X side, Mavericks was really not very skeuomorphic to begin with (though I'm sure one can find some examples), and I see Yosemite's design as a fix for a problem that didn't exist.
 
Not very good. Apple could get near 100% transition if they would support older devices. Same for MacOSX. It really isn't that hard (gracefully fall back on features that are too advance for the hardware, envelope for older APIs), they're experts and they've got the hundreds of billions of dollars in cash sitting around in cash that could be applied to legacy support. The result would be hundreds of millions of older still functional Macs and iOS devices would be kept running, out of the land fills, users of those would continue accessing iTunes and the App stores thus buying more and older devices get passed down to introduce new users to the Mac/iOS garden. This is environmentally and financially green. It would let Apple achieve near 100% adoption of the new OSs while continuing to support old hardware and software.

I'm absolutely in agreement that greater support of older hardware would be nice (ref to the aging 2009 iMac in my Signature block which has probably seen its last OS update with Yosemite: it is slower with the new OS). I do understand why they don't support devices older than 3-5 years.

1) it doesn't make them more money because they aren't selling new hardware and software through developers
2) at some point, it becomes a poorer user experience to not have all the high-profile features that everyone else enjoys and the older devices are just not able to run the new OS quickly. All this tends to erode perception of brand value.
3) it introduces programming complications for developers who must tailor their apps to partly function on devices with the handicapped versions of the new iOS.
 
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