Yeah, not denying the value of folks with no issues nor of the folks without issues. But when there are posts actually arguing with those who do have issues, then the value drops a little and goes off the wacky end.
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iOS 8 - why has it gone so wrong?
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Yeah, not denying the value of folks with no issues nor of the folks without issues. But when there are posts actually arguing with those who do have issues, then the value drops a little and goes off the wacky end.
And it also does "more" also...as it should for being x years later to the party.
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My ipad 2 ran IOS 7 fairly well. A little laggy in safari, but that's it. IOS 8.0.2 for the most part, runs better than 7.1.2.
Everybody's experience is different.
There is a reason Win 7 runs better on older hardware.
By default it switches most services off. Win XP is the opposite. In that respect MS have learned some lessons.
Also by older hardware, most people are thinking of maybe hardware from 2006 onwards?
We're up to 64 bit processors then. Use an OS designed for 64 bit and multicore (XP isn't great with either) and it will run better.
It's really difficult to get a sense of how bad an issue is by looking at forums. When I buy a car the first thing I don't do is a web search for issues on the car. Car forums always seems to attract those with problems with their vehicle.
Out of the millions and millions of ios users, only a small fraction post here. 8.0.1 was an out of bound release, meaning what happened to some iphone 6 users who did an ota upgrade, almost never happens with apple releases.
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Sure, that's the point. Microsoft learned a few lessons along the way and turned the O/S. But it still runs adequately on older hardware, although maybe not as fast as XP with limited memory. But it does a more also.
IOS 8 on my ipad 2 is a heck of a lot better than the initial release of IOS 5(I think). IOS 8 does more than IOS 5 and the performance in general is more than adequate given the new amount of features it supports.
Fair enough.
In that case, we have millions of real world tests taking place as we speak, and a very, VERY small percentage of those phones have failed the test. I challenge you to find 6 Plus owners in real life with bent phones. Good luck.
The bend gate stuff is all nonsense. Stupid internet stuff not really worth the conversation its generating.
However, the complaints about the OS being buggy and unstable are absolutely fair and real. Too many folks without problems keep insisting this is also overblown. Clearly Apple disagrees with you, otherwise they wouldn't have pushed out two separate updates within a few days of the phone releasing to the public.
This OS hasn't been a disaster, per se, but this isn't the standard by which people have come to know Apple products.
However, the complaints about the OS being buggy and unstable are absolutely fair and real. Too many folks without problems keep insisting this is also overblown. Clearly Apple disagrees with you, otherwise they wouldn't have pushed out two separate updates within a few days of the phone releasing to the public.
This OS hasn't been a disaster, per se, but this isn't the standard by which people have come to know Apple products.
compare it to an older device running 7.1.2 and you will see.. it may seem to run flawless but it really isn't. I'm not the OP but I can say my iPad 4 running 7.1.2 runs Safari ton better than my 5s that has 8.0.2 installed as new. We have three iPhone 5's in the family and they run safari alot faster than my 5s now does.
The iOS 8.0, 8.0.2 updates are pure ****. I recommend anyone who has not updated to stay away from it. I would revert back to 7.1.2 if it was still being signed.
Not sure how this crap makes it through the beta period, maybe its because they have deadlines I don't know. I do feel my $649 device I got a year ago is now slave to the Apple software engineers since I cannot downgrade.
Can't say apple is doomed, because they aren't but the person you replied to, has some points. His statements are not invalid, if anything.
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I'm not too good on the technicalities of this bending thing but didn't the recent post on macrumors about a much 'pro' approach on testing the sturdiness of the iphone show the same results as the bendgate bandwagon? It bent on the volume area which is the weak spot. So if it is placed in a pocket, that weakspot right there is likely to bend in the long term with the heat and force being applied to it.
I have so many issues with 8.0.2 on my iPhone 6.
-Photo management has become a nightmare. I don't even know what is going on with this, if it is buggy or a new paradigm that I just don't understand. But it seems like not all my photos are showing up on my phone where they should be.
-Health Kit is buggy. For some reason, starting last night, the app shows nothing. No walked distance, no steps, no nothing. It was working perfectly yesterday afternoon, and now suddenly it's gone bananas. When I tap the button for certain things to show on the dashboard, then exit that menu, when I go back in, the button has been reset. When I tap "show all data", I get a spinning ball and the data points are never shown. The app is also lacking the attention to detail I expect from Apple. There's also no way to change from miles to kilometers easily without telling the phone I'm in a different country or something.
-Messages and conversations I have on Yosemite's iMessage aren't showing up on my phone's Messages app. Is this normal behavior or a bug? Wouldn't the Apple way be to have them all sync somehow?
-I am experiencing way more miscellaneous bugs and crashes than I did when I upgraded to iOS 7. These are usually small annoyances but they are starting to pile up. For example, yesterday, my headphone volume kept going up to 100% by itself! It was bizarre. I could lower the volume and before my very eyes it would push itself back up to 100% when I took my finger off the button. This happened in iTunes and when the phone was locked. I had to force quit the iTunes app to fix that. I am running into more of these types of things as usual.
-Not exactly an iOS 8 issue, but you can't remove devices from your iCloud account it seems (there's another thread on that). I was very surprised to see the 5s I traded in for my 6 on my list of devices at iCloud and I can't get it off.
I've been using Apple products almost every day since 2002. I've been a very happy customer the entire time (except my 15" Macbook Pro from 2003 or 2004, that was a piece of crap build-quality wise). I'm a bit shocked honestly at iOS 8. I would rather Apple delayed its release for another 6 months and worked out all the bugs and unintuitive features.
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Uh, that's not the right word. 20Hz-20KHz is considered the maximum possible range for humans, although very young children can occasionally hear outside of that a bit. Average range is dependent on age, it's not really useful to average a 20yo to a 50yo, for instance. A 20yo should be able to hear to at least 18KHz, and virtually no 50yo can hear that, anymore.
Either your trolling, or have a fake knock off, or something is seriously wrong with your 6 Plus, 6 Plus here and its the most smoothest phone I ever had by far, and I came from a Galaxy S5. i dont experience any lag at all besides maybe sometimes the quick controls menu lags a little bit but thats it
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What heat lol? And when will you ever really have concentrated applied pressure on the volume rocker area(suppose volume rocker area is the weakest part of the casing, which it does seem like it is) what real life scenario would have concetrated applied pressure on the volume rocker area besides forcible bending by hand, or by sitting on your phone?
More advanced hardware?
Not a chance. The A8 is the fastest CPU for smartphones on the market. It beats every popular high-end android phone out there.
No, I take that back. It doesn't just beat them, it absolutely slams them in to the dust when you look at the benchmarks. Trying to say android phones are "more advanced" is just cherry picking, because there are ways where iPhones are more advanced as well.
In fact, it's sad how far behind the android phone makers are when it comes to CPU. The A8 gets multithreaded performance equivalent to that of the fastest CPU in an android device, that of the new Moto X. The iphone 6 performs just as well EVEN though it only has two cores, not four. And when it comes to single-threaded performance (which is what matters most in the vast majority of apps), the iPhone absolutely blows every android phone out of the water, it's not even close. It's more than 50% faster than the fastest android phone.
More advanced hardware?
Not a chance. The A8 is the fastest CPU for smartphones on the market. It beats every popular high-end android phone out there.
No, I take that back. It doesn't just beat them, it absolutely slams them in to the dust when you look at the benchmarks. Trying to say android phones are "more advanced" is just cherry picking, because there are ways where iPhones are more advanced as well.
In fact, it's sad how far behind the android phone makers are when it comes to CPU. The A8 gets multithreaded performance equivalent to that of the fastest CPU in an android device, that of the new Moto X. The iphone 6 performs just as well EVEN though it only has two cores, not four. And when it comes to single-threaded performance (which is what matters most in the vast majority of apps), the iPhone absolutely blows every android phone out of the water, it's not even close. It's more than 50% faster than the fastest android phone.
the custom designed by Apple , superscaler ARMv8 architecture is what they dont know about
iOS 8 - why has it gone so wrong?
I have iOS 8.0.2 installed on my iPhone 5s and I would say it runs well some of the time and so-so other times. It's definitely not flawless.
Things I've seen:
1.'Built in apps crashing: settings, music, etc.
2. Control center stop working. Swiping up did nothing. Locking the phone and unlocking "fixed" that.
3. Wifi issues. The reliability distance range dropped pretty significantly. I now need to be closer to my router to get the same performance and reliability I used to get and I needed to change channels to keep the connection relatively stable. I've had apps complain of lost network connection despite having 3 displayed Wifi bars.
I have an iPad 2 on 7.1.2 and don't see any of these issues with that. I refuse to put iOS 8 on my iPad 2 as I use of for some games which I'd rather not suddenly be unable to play because of the iPad 2's lower memory and CPU speed.
iOS 7 had issues, namely random resprings or blue screens, but I think iOS 8 is worse.
I have iOS 8.0.2 installed on my iPhone 5s and I would say it runs well some of the time and so-so other times. It's definitely not flawless.
Things I've seen:
1.'Built in apps crashing: settings, music, etc.
2. Control center stop working. Swiping up did nothing. Locking the phone and unlocking "fixed" that.
3. Wifi issues. The reliability distance range dropped pretty significantly. I now need to be closer to my router to get the same performance and reliability I used to get and I needed to change channels to keep the connection relatively stable. I've had apps complain of lost network connection despite having 3 displayed Wifi bars.
I have an iPad 2 on 7.1.2 and don't see any of these issues with that. I refuse to put iOS 8 on my iPad 2 as I use of for some games which I'd rather not suddenly be unable to play because of the iPad 2's lower memory and CPU speed.
iOS 7 had issues, namely random resprings or blue screens, but I think iOS 8 is worse.
We all know that only you got the real deal which is filled with magical mana from heaven.
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I think the wifi depends on your router. I'm across the house, this is a speedtest I just took.
I do think there is still a slight lag in safari that needs to be ironed out. My 5s logs show some stuff that is not apparent while using the phone.
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iOS 8.0 is alpha quality simply because Apple goes by hardware release cycle, not software. That's why historically, the first x.0 release sucks and it takes a few or several updates to get it polished up. If Apple didn't have to release iPhone 6 before the holidays, the iOS 8 wouldn't have released this month, they'd stick to 18-24 months cycle and release it when it is ready to go.
iOS 7.1 was a much better update and what iOS 7 should've been. Same for ML, it was a better update that Lion should've been. SL is the best OS X release for me because it was all about polishing.
Apple needs to have another SL-type release for iOS and OS X. No more new features, just bug fixes, optimizations, and cleanup. I wish and hope they do this for iOS 9 and 10.11.
iOS 7.1 was a much better update and what iOS 7 should've been. Same for ML, it was a better update that Lion should've been. SL is the best OS X release for me because it was all about polishing.
Apple needs to have another SL-type release for iOS and OS X. No more new features, just bug fixes, optimizations, and cleanup. I wish and hope they do this for iOS 9 and 10.11.
I would completely agree, except for the fact that there is still plenty of room for innovation in mobile OS's. Skipping a whole year might not be the best idea. Still, they need to squash all the major bugs before shipping.
I feel like people are just throwing waffles at each other for no other reason than for entertainment values. Lol
- Is this the worse iOS released? Well, matter of factly it IS the only iOS to have an update pulled and users instructed how to downgrade. Like actually walked through how to downgrade their iOS. Take that for whatever value you want. It is the first to do that. Yes, other iOS had their fair share of issues but truthfully none of them had a downgrade written out for them. Not by any users, but by the big company itself. That's a bit embarrassing no matter how much makeup you put on it. So, iOS will go down as the first major iOS to be released and then advised to downgrade after it's first update.
- The ever so commonly heard "you didn't install it correctly." Pretty slim pickings how to install an iOS. I could see messing up an OS X install. But there are two ways to install any iOS. OTA or via ITunes. No real customization options. Users installed it fine, but different hardware = different issues. No one computer is exactly the same out of the box. Stop using this excuse to validate arguments since it's just plain ridiculous in any way possible.
- "it's working on mine, therefore you're either lying or being overly dramatic about problems". So old, so silly. Just because YOU, yourself are breezing through life without any problems doesn't mean the next person is. Trying to argue about how perfectly the iOS is for you against Joe Schmoe who has bricked their phone is just nutso talk. Like, serious mental capabilities are missing saying things like this. I personally downgraded to 7.1.2 to make my 5c run smoothly, but I have friends who had no issues with the same phone and even my partner had no issues that couldn't be fixed. Yet I also had friends who also had as many issues as I did. Just accept some phones are having issues and some phones do not. It's not that difficult of concept to comprehend unless you're five years old, which some of you truly sound like you are and doing some kindergarten type argument.
- and my favorite of all time "it works fine on 6 and 6+ so you should've gotten one to use iOS 8!" I wanna say this is a joke statement. iOS wasn't released just for one type of phone. It was releases for all. Apple has a history of being able to release something for a specific computer/iPhone. Did they do that with this? No. Therefore the logic should be that while yes, it's more optimized for the 6s it should still be optimized for earlier phones. End of discussion. It really wasn't and may eventually be done but this initial release isn't ideal for any phone. And let's not forget, zomg you seriously expect people to shell out a ton of $$$$ to get an incremental speed update and in this economy? Even Apple doesn't expect users to do this, so why should any one user use that frame of mind?
And let's face it, not everybody comes to these forums or any other support type sites including apples and not everybody will write about what great times they're having. So nobody knows just how many are or are not being affected. It could really only be 50 or, millions and millions. Nobody can call out how widespread problems are, nor their range of problems.
Hell, people thought bendgate was some huge problem (including a friend of mine who actually cancelled his order because of that), until Apple came out and said they'd only received like 8 or 9 reports of it. Then people realized all those photos circulating were pretty much the same ones. Yay for internet wildfires?
On the plus side, my friend did go out and get a 6 after apples report. Of course, just today he somehow managed to shatter the screen. No ideas how! But, maybe we should start in about how flimsy the 6s glass is!!!
*pops another bag of popcorn*
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Ditto... on all points raised. Very well put!
Wow now I Know the meaning of fan boys.��
There is clearly big problems, with iOS 8, it's stated anywhere you want to search an some are saying there is no problems at all with it
As mentioned earlier Apple pulled there own update to sort bugs because it had bugs, laughable that some can't admit it's hugely flawed for thousands of people.
I'm going to take my 6 plus back today an hopefully they can swap for a new 1, and I've been unlucky with mine...doesn't solve why me an my girlfriends iPad minis are running like a 1 legged man though.
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That's spot on ��
There is clearly big problems, with iOS 8, it's stated anywhere you want to search an some are saying there is no problems at all with it
As mentioned earlier Apple pulled there own update to sort bugs because it had bugs, laughable that some can't admit it's hugely flawed for thousands of people.
I'm going to take my 6 plus back today an hopefully they can swap for a new 1, and I've been unlucky with mine...doesn't solve why me an my girlfriends iPad minis are running like a 1 legged man though.
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I feel like people are just throwing waffles at each other for no other reason than for entertainment values. Lol
- Is this the worse iOS released? Well, matter of factly it IS the only iOS to have an update pulled and users instructed how to downgrade. Like actually walked through how to downgrade their iOS. Take that for whatever value you want. It is the first to do that. Yes, other iOS had their fair share of issues but truthfully none of them had a downgrade written out for them. Not by any users, but by the big company itself. That's a bit embarrassing no matter how much makeup you put on it. So, iOS will go down as the first major iOS to be released and then advised to downgrade after it's first update.
- The ever so commonly heard "you didn't install it correctly." Pretty slim pickings how to install an iOS. I could see messing up an OS X install. But there are two ways to install any iOS. OTA or via ITunes. No real customization options. Users installed it fine, but different hardware = different issues. No one computer is exactly the same out of the box. Stop using this excuse to validate arguments since it's just plain ridiculous in any way possible.
- "it's working on mine, therefore you're either lying or being overly dramatic about problems". So old, so silly. Just because YOU, yourself are breezing through life without any problems doesn't mean the next person is. Trying to argue about how perfectly the iOS is for you against Joe Schmoe who has bricked their phone is just nutso talk. Like, serious mental capabilities are missing saying things like this. I personally downgraded to 7.1.2 to make my 5c run smoothly, but I have friends who had no issues with the same phone and even my partner had no issues that couldn't be fixed. Yet I also had friends who also had as many issues as I did. Just accept some phones are having issues and some phones do not. It's not that difficult of concept to comprehend unless you're five years old, which some of you truly sound like you are and doing some kindergarten type argument.
- and my favorite of all time "it works fine on 6 and 6+ so you should've gotten one to use iOS 8!" I wanna say this is a joke statement. iOS wasn't released just for one type of phone. It was releases for all. Apple has a history of being able to release something for a specific computer/iPhone. Did they do that with this? No. Therefore the logic should be that while yes, it's more optimized for the 6s it should still be optimized for earlier phones. End of discussion. It really wasn't and may eventually be done but this initial release isn't ideal for any phone. And let's not forget, zomg you seriously expect people to shell out a ton of $$$$ to get an incremental speed update and in this economy? Even Apple doesn't expect users to do this, so why should any one user use that frame of mind?
And let's face it, not everybody comes to these forums or any other support type sites including apples and not everybody will write about what great times they're having. So nobody knows just how many are or are not being affected. It could really only be 50 or, millions and millions. Nobody can call out how widespread problems are, nor their range of problems.
Hell, people thought bendgate was some huge problem (including a friend of mine who actually cancelled his order because of that), until Apple came out and said they'd only received like 8 or 9 reports of it. Then people realized all those photos circulating were pretty much the same ones. Yay for internet wildfires?
On the plus side, my friend did go out and get a 6 after apples report. Of course, just today he somehow managed to shatter the screen. No ideas how! But, maybe we should start in about how flimsy the 6s glass is!!!
*pops another bag of popcorn*
That's spot on ��