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They say iPad sales are slumping and that iPod sales are down so much that they don't even include them on their earnings report anymore. I say to really reenergize the iPad sector, release this larger iPad pro, but along side it also release a rebranded 5.5" iPod and call it an iPad nano. Bam. Sandwich the iPad air and iPad mini between these two, and you've got a nice sandwhich indeed. Lots of choices. :)
 
Caps Lock?

Dear gods, please let that key die. The latest Lenovo laptops have finally removed it, and the last thing we need from the iPad is regressively add it.

People do still use the caps lock. I find it very inconvenient having to press the shift key for every letter of the word that needs to be in full caps.
The iPad does currently have a caps lock. You just need to double press the shift
 
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You are not typing 190 WPM on a physical keyboard. I think the fastest typist in the world only averages around 150-170 WPM and maybe can reach just over 200 WPM. I have no doubt you can type faster on a physical keyboard but don't exaggerate this much, you just look silly.

Okay I was mistaken. But here is my result from a WPM just now on my physical keyboard:
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104 WPM. I thought it was 190, I was mistaken it was 104. Still way way faster than I can type on an iPad. I didn't mean to exaggerate I just haven't done one of these tests in a long time and thought it was higher.

I disagree with your disagreement. The on-screen works for me fine. I even coded an entire website with it.

My god why would you subject yourself to that? You should see a doctor for this self inflicted torture.
 
Okay I was mistaken. But here is my result from a WPM just now on my physical keyboard:
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104 WPM. I thought it was 190, I was mistaken it was 104. Still way way faster than I can type on an iPad. I didn't mean to exaggerate I just haven't done one of these tests in a long time and thought it was higher.



My god why would you subject yourself to that? You should see a doctor for this self inflicted torture.

Haha! No worries, I just had to call you out on exaggerating that much. Good for you for correcting yourself though!
 
iPad Pro is a fridge with a toaster. Too bad Apple can not fix a simple Shift key, its the new Apple you like it or not.
 
Looks like they're really going to optimise the software for a larger display.

If iOS 9 is anything to go by, Apple knows iPad users want more than a large iPhone experience.

I'm sure iPad Pro will appeal to a lot of people. To be perfectly honest, screen size isn't the limiting factor for my use case now. For an iPad to become a 'Pro' and to really rival a MacBook I'd want it to run a version of Adobe Creative Cloud and FCP X. I know it couldn't completely replace a Mac for these tasks, but to be able to do some work on the go would be handy.

For THAT to work with full versions of Adobe CC and such will require more than 2 GB of RAM and high storage capacity to pull it off. And with 300-600 dpi images to be worked on top of these apps would probably require close to 4 GB of RAM.

I suspect that requires another new hybrid OS from scratch but it would've been mentioned at the WWDC for developers to work in advance on it. I'm betting it's the standard iOS 9 with a larger screen and kill off one other iPad product line.
 
You can watch antivirus software and Windows updates and frequent reboots run on your thick, clunky, unwieldy, heavy tablet that's worse at a laptop at literally everything except for drawing on the screen. As a bonus you get a touch interface with very few apps that actually use it so you get to run desktop apps with a type cover with terrible keys and a barely usable trackpad. Try not to sneeze so it won't go flying off your lap as it leans on its kickstand. If you're lucky, the Surface won't overheat. And try not to run the battery down on your phone for tethering because the silly SP3 lacks a built in cellular option- of course you could plug a cell modem into USB but going along with the spirit of your nightmare iOS scenario, I'll assume you'd drop the heavy clunky Surface and snap the dongle off of at the port...

Give us a break :)

As a former Surface Pro 3 owner, very few of your complaints have merit. It's no less powerful than any other ultrabook, including the MacBook Air. It never overheated on me, even during processor intensive tasks like gaming.

Clunky and unwieldy is a matter of opinion. Though I think the iPad air is better-built, the SP3 is not a piece of junk. It makes reasonable compromises in the name of functionality vs. portability, and is overall a very impressive piece of hardware. It's lighter than the 11" Air, even with the keyboard cover. It's actually not much heavier than the iPad 3 without it. The battery life is decent, considering its size, weight, and performance.

You can make jokes about Windows 8 needing antiviruses, but I ran my SP3 for nearly a year with just the built-in Windows Defender, and it remained malware-free. I was careful, though: no malicious sites, no questionable apps or files.

The keyboard is not great and the trackpad is horrendous, that much is true. And the Windows 8 app store is pretty sad. That's main reason I hung onto my iPad Air, and it's why I switched back to carrying a MacBook and the iPad instead of a Surface Pro 3. But make no mistake: the SP3 package remains really compelling, and if Microsoft gets the Windows App store together and makes a few refinements, Apple could be in for a bigger fight than people realize. There are still a lot more Windows users out there than Mac users, and the Surface Pro line is very close to the ideal tablet+laptop combo at this point.

The pen, by the way, is absolutely fantastic. I really, really, really wish Apple made their own version of the SP3. I'd have bought it in a heartbeat.
 
the mostly ignored cintiq companion suffers from a lack of something something too. i don't know why MS and wacom haven't hit a real home run yet with the creative pros i know. these two companies have had a great head start. apple has a pretty good track record when entering a category 'late/too late/impossibly late' - so i'm actually not adverse to holding my breath for a few more months/cycles. i think if anything, the iPad pro will convince the other guys to up their game.

and yes, i'm really hoping it's osx, though increasingly it feels like that's not gonna be the case. to start at least.

The Cintiq Companion is not designed for the mainstream but focused on the creative professional industry. It's been a successful product with many companies and artists/designers. The pressure sensitivity is way higher than the Surface Pro which is a given and a reason they're expensive along with short keys that are very handy. But the 22HD touch devices Wacom makes are the most expensive and coveted.

Wacom's market is a bit different since they specialize while Apple "generalizes". With the Surface, however, you can use a full desktop app on that and use the same file formats to be shared with the Mac platform. It's cheaper than the Cintiq and works well from what I heard and have seen, especially the SD card expansion is a huge benefit. That's why I'm thinking of using my Manga Studio app with the SP ( when I buy it someday ) while keeping the imac version at my home studio. I use it extensively on my work.

I've seen digital art that is incredibly detailed that you can't really do on the iPad. Surface Pro comes close with a lower sensitivity level count even though it gets the job done. I still use a Wacom Intuos digitizer and it still does a better job than any stylus for the iPad.

This is why I think the iPad Pro will still be another gimped product. If they go hybrid, they would have to introduce a new OS or implement an emulator chip but have to beef up on the hardware specs to match the Surface Pro. It will not come cheap, I'll bet.
 
Interestingly enough, I have less reboots on windows caused by updates than on OSX.
then, a Surface Pro should be compared to a Macbook air, not an iPad.

What's funny is that many technical news sites and respected blogs say the SP3 is better than the Air in just about every way. Someone earlier in this thread said that the SP3 is inferior to laptops in every way. I have to highly disagree with that. Very few, if any, laptops or macbooks are better or equal the surface pro. Microsoft messes up a lot but that piece of hardware is absolutely not one of them.
 
Hopefully the development of an iPad Pro doesn't effect attention to adding actual features to the iPad mini beyond a gold option and Touch ID. They had the right idea with the Mini 2 by having it on par with the Air 1. But please add a better display, design similar to iPhone 6, 2GB ram for split view, and no 16GB base model (No Phil, 16 is way too little for an iPad and it limits how many apps I want to add to my device) and I'm sold!
 
People do still use the caps lock. I find it very inconvenient having to press the shift key for every letter of the word that needs to be in full caps.
The iPad does currently have a caps lock. You just need to double press the shift
which is how it should stay in iPad Pro IMO. this or use force-clicking on Shift to activate it if the rumors of the new ipads supporting forcetouch are true. No ios device thus far had a dedicated caps lock key. various ipad deficiencies are discussed all the time on MacRumors and lack of Caps Lock is not one of them. I can't recall the last time it was mentioned around here. personally, I hate Caps Lock as a separate key and hope they don't bring it to ipad.
 
It would be nice to have true multitasking, so browser like chrome doesn't foolishly invalidate page when just merely switched. Really sickening.
 
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The absence of control, alt, command keys rules out the pro version running OS X :(

No, it means nothing.

Because this is a feature found in IOS9. Not OSX.
For clues of OSX support for ipad pro, it would be better to investigate OSX.
 
The Cintiq Companion is not designed for the mainstream but focused on the creative professional industry. It's been a successful product with many companies and artists/designers. The pressure sensitivity is way higher than the Surface Pro which is a given and a reason they're expensive along with short keys that are very handy. But the 22HD touch devices Wacom makes are the most expensive and coveted.

Wacom's market is a bit different since they specialize while Apple "generalizes". With the Surface, however, you can use a full desktop app on that and use the same file formats to be shared with the Mac platform. It's cheaper than the Cintiq and works well from what I heard and have seen, especially the SD card expansion is a huge benefit. That's why I'm thinking of using my Manga Studio app with the SP ( when I buy it someday ) while keeping the imac version at my home studio. I use it extensively on my work.

I've seen digital art that is incredibly detailed that you can't really do on the iPad. Surface Pro comes close with a lower sensitivity level count even though it gets the job done. I still use a Wacom Intuos digitizer and it still does a better job than any stylus for the iPad.

This is why I think the iPad Pro will still be another gimped product. If they go hybrid, they would have to introduce a new OS or implement an emulator chip but have to beef up on the hardware specs to match the Surface Pro. It will not come cheap, I'll bet.

i agree the cintiq wasn't meant for the same demographic at all, but i've yet to see one in the wild. that's all i really meant - neither the surface pro or companion are wildly adopted in the way i expected. kinda like how everyone has a smartphone, i expected every professional designer to have a pro tablet by (roughly) now. lots to iron out from what i've heard in literally every tablet 'camp', regardless of brand.
 
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