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i agree the cintiq wasn't meant for the same demographic at all, but i've yet to see one in the wild. that's all i really meant - neither the surface pro or companion are wildly adopted in the way i expected. kinda like how everyone has a smartphone, i expected every professional designer to have a tablet by (roughly) now. lots to iron out from what i've heard in literally every tablet 'camp', regardless of brand.

I've seen one in the wild twice here and it's quite amazing where you can use a full desktop app with it. The digitizer stylus use is very precise.
 
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Man I can't wait to see this thing announced. If it has an active digitizer, I'm buying it for sure.

Only thing I wish for now is for an iPad file system (and apps that utilize it) and a way to sync that file system with Mac. Enough with all the exporting, importing, uploading and downloading each individual file via internet. If it had a file system, it would be simple: automatic syncing of select folders with Mac over wifi when on the same wifi network. That's the last hurdle to make an iPad productive for me.
 
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Man I can't wait to see this thing announced. If it has an active digitizer, I'm buying it for sure.

Only thing I wish for now is for an iPad file system (and apps that utilize it) and a way to sync that file system with Mac. Enough with all the exporting, importing, uploading and downloading via internet. If it had a file system, it would be simple: automatic syncing of select folders with Mac over wifi when on the same wifi network. That's the last hurdle to make an iPad productive for me.

Well it has the iCloud Drive app. That could work.
 
I think Force Touch will enable a better keyboard experience on the newer iOS devices because one will be able to rest their fingers on the glass and it will only register when they press down on them with Taptic Engine feedback.
 
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Well it has the iCloud Drive app. That could work.

Well, I use free Dropbox right now. I assume iCloud Drive has pretty much the same problems. You still have to mess with exporting/importing and sharing. And you still have to manually do this on an individual file by file basis. The other problem is I have limited Dropbox space (free account) so I have to remember to empty out files right after they are synced. (And no I don't want to pay a monthly subscription for more cloud storage just so I can sync files to my Mac. I'm perfectly happy waiting until I get home.) These same problems are true when transferring files from Mac to iPad as well. All the exporting/importing/sharing/individual file-juggling is a lot of work for something that could easily be completely automatic (and free).
 
Something that puzzles me is how I get the left and right cursor options on my iPhone's keyboard, but they don't appear on my iPad. Why would the larger screen of my iPad offer fewer editing options?

Well that's addressed in iOS 9 with the new trackpad swipe on the keyboard feature. I've loaded iOS 9 on my iPad Air 2 and it works quite well to move the cursor around.

Please, please, please let us have numbers at the top by default. I don't want to have to press an extra key to get to them.

Yeah, especially on the larger iPhones that have plenty of room. It should be a simple option in the keyboard preferences.

You wanna bet? The iPad is already on the Mac naming scheme. Can you imagine if the MacBook Pro was called the MacBook Plus?

I think it's about a 75% chance it will be the Pro and 25% Plus or another name. The only thing making me wonder if it will be called the Plus is if 1. They want to distance the naming from the Surface Pro which it might compete with (even though Apple did start using that name before them on other products) and 2. They don't end up putting higher-end hardware into the machine. I mean, I suppose higher-end hardware will be necessary to a certain extent because the screen will be higher resolution. The current iPads use the same resolution screen, although Apple's choices here have been all over the place—anything from using old generation parts in the first version, to having their specs be nearly identical except for a slightly different clock speed with the Mini 2 and Air, and now the Mini 3 uses last gen specs and the Air 2 is a beast by comparison. To get a Pro designation I think it needs to do three things: 1. Pressure sensitive to be compatible with drawing stylus, 2. Have a USB-C port with basic API access to certain accessories through the app store, and 3. Have sufficient hardware increases over the regular iPad, such as double the RAM and more/faster CPU cores.

In my opinion if they do an iPad Pro they should sell a smart cover that has a keyboard integrated. Like the Surface Pro.

These on-screen keyboards on the iPad suck for any kind of large text entry. You need that tactile feedback to type at full speed.

The iPad definitely isn't ideal for text entry using the software keyboard alone. I do really think Apple needs to either release their own fancy keyboard with trackpad swipe on the keys like in iOS 9 and/or they should release a proper external keyboard API that can be used in all apps. It's ridiculous that you can't even scroll a website in Safari using the arrow keys on an external keyboard. Otherwise see my post just above about a better software keyboard option.
 
Okay I was mistaken. But here is my result from a WPM just now on my physical keyboard:
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104 WPM. I thought it was 190, I was mistaken it was 104. Still way way faster than I can type on an iPad. I didn't mean to exaggerate I just haven't done one of these tests in a long time and thought it was higher.



My god why would you subject yourself to that? You should see a doctor for this self inflicted torture.

I've done quit a bit of writing on my iPads and iPad mini. Several books worth, if I'd been writing books. I use both the onscreen keyboard and Bluetooth keyboards depending on what I'm writing and how well my fingers are working that day. One person's dislike of onscreen key boards does not mean they are useless, or a 'torture' for everyone to use. I have seen people touch type on the iPad keyboard with amazing speed.
 
Plus just means larger size, while Pro means professional use, which is exactly the direction the bigger iPad is taking.

Professional use is the direction all iPads are taking with the enhancements of iOS 9. "What about native stylus support?" you might ask. If they do it, and I think they will, given the iOS 9 touch latency enhancements, it'll trickle down to the other iPads eventually. The remaining differentiatior will be screen size. And since Apple uses "Plus" to denominate the larger size iPhone, they will use it for the iPad as well. You can verbally slap me if I should be wrong.

One argument to be made though is that Apple might just accept the "established" name that has already been floating around all this time and just go with it...
 
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No iOS device is competition for a Windows Surface Pro. It's like saying a rowboat is competition for a freighter.

I can visit a job site and run CAD on a Surface Pro or Wacom Cintiq Comp. I can draw new designs accurately with a proper stylus. I can edit promo films in a comfortable position in the living room. I can kill 2 hours stuck at the airport getting some work done while listening to podcasts.

Or, with an iOS device, if I'm very lucky, and I've exported hundreds of duplicates of my files in just the right formats, and the companion viewer app is working, I can... view them. Wow. Super. I can crudely fingerprint some blobby streaks where my lines should be. I can try to listen to podcasts, but they won't have updated because the autoupdate never works. But I can check my email. ...which can be done quicker over a phone. I can pull up a map & see my GPS marker, but since it can't save the maps it loads, as soon as I get off the highway for gas, it dumps all the maps and I'm driving across grey squares. I can plug it into my rental car, but it won't charge.

The iPad with iOS is a nearly completely useless toy.

Apple will make the large-size hardware people want, which will be less of a mobile device and more of a productivity device, and priced as high as a decent notebook, and then cripple it by putting the iPod OS on it, so teenagers can play games on it. And they'll sell a load of them anyway.


All while enjoying the hell that is Windows 8, or 8.1 or even 10... :rolleyes:
 
Professional use is the direction all iPads are taking with the enhancements of iOS 9. "What about native stylus support?" you might ask. If they do it, and I think they will, given the iOS 9 touch latency enhancements, it'll trickle down to the other iPads eventually. The remaining differentiatior will be screen size. And since Apple uses "Plus" to denominate the larger size iPhone, they will use it for the iPad as well. You can verbally slap me if I should be wrong.

One argument to be made though is that Apple might just accept the "established" name that has already been floating around all this time and just go with it...
iPad Air is why your whole argument is invalid.
 
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I've done quit a bit of writing on my iPads and iPad mini. Several books worth, if I'd been writing books. I use both the onscreen keyboard and Bluetooth keyboards depending on what I'm writing and how well my fingers are working that day. One person's dislike of onscreen key boards does not mean they are useless, or a 'torture' for everyone to use. I have seen people touch type on the iPad keyboard with amazing speed.

I feel like everyones taken crazy pills. Tapping a screen with your fingers is not a good typing experience at all. It's just "it's there" that's about all I can say about it, convenience.
 
I feel like everyones taken crazy pills. Tapping a screen with your fingers is not a good typing experience at all. It's just "it's there" that's about all I can say about it, convenience.
Your jaw will drop if you ever saw me and my friends type on a iPad screen.
My god why would you subject yourself to that? You should see a doctor for this self inflicted torture.
 
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No iOS device is competition for a Windows Surface Pro. It's like saying a rowboat is competition for a freighter.

I can visit a job site and run CAD on a Surface Pro or Wacom Cintiq Comp. I can draw new designs accurately with a proper stylus. I can edit promo films in a comfortable position in the living room. I can kill 2 hours stuck at the airport getting some work done while listening to podcasts.

Or, with an iOS device, if I'm very lucky, and I've exported hundreds of duplicates of my files in just the right formats, and the companion viewer app is working, I can... view them. Wow. Super. I can crudely fingerprint some blobby streaks where my lines should be. I can try to listen to podcasts, but they won't have updated because the autoupdate never works. But I can check my email. ...which can be done quicker over a phone. I can pull up a map & see my GPS marker, but since it can't save the maps it loads, as soon as I get off the highway for gas, it dumps all the maps and I'm driving across grey squares. I can plug it into my rental car, but it won't charge.

The iPad with iOS is a nearly completely useless toy.

Apple will make the large-size hardware people want, which will be less of a mobile device and more of a productivity device, and priced as high as a decent notebook, and then cripple it by putting the iPod OS on it, so teenagers can play games on it. And they'll sell a load of them anyway.


I Agree, iPad is still just an oversized iPhone. Its not much productive. Recently i had bunch of images (100 maybe) to edit while on the go. I just couldn't figure it out how....

1. If i transfer it to iPad it will resize/resave which i don't want.
2. I could copy to one of the storage apps, but they don't have editing.
3. I could itunes-transfer to Image editor app but there's hardly any app that has storage feature.
4. I tried itunes-transferring to storage app, then transferring to image editing app via share sheet, but most of them would re-size the original image.
5. I tried so many apps and in the process i purchased too but nothing seems to work properly.
6. In the end i did manage to itunes-transfer the images to storage app then to image editor which would then allow me to save the image to yet another storage app as the original app was not visible in its share sheet. Also, it didn't allow me rename the file while saving, it didn't even use the original name, everything was named as temp.jpg which contains png data (if you open them in photoshop it warns you)

The whole experience was mess, i spent a lot more time figuring it out how tos... than working.

Its good for surfing, watching movie and playing some games (so a toy) but as soon as you start putting it into any productive use, you, will, scratch your head.
 
I don't see why this arrangement can't be at least an option on the standard iPad. I could deal with slightly smaller layout to have the greater range of keys.

This is here today, via third party: www.padkeys.com

Optimized for 10-inch in landscape mode, and adds a number of improvements on top as well, like cursor keys, more text prediction options, and word movement / deletion shortcuts.
 
It does't looks like a special key. Are you in iOS6 paradise?
The letters show as uppercase in iOS 9 when using the shift key to help you tell if it is active. Other than that I see nothing wrong it it.
I generally hated the grey and bland colors and overall design of iOS 6, I sometimes couldn't see the shift key because of my color blindness
 
Way too much grey in the outer key. Can it be a lighter theme?

It actually looks better in real life on the iPad than in the screenshot, but yeah, lighter would be good too. It's hard to find that "one theme that fits all", but we will be adding additional themes and / or user control over colors in a future release.
 
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The letters show as uppercase in iOS 9 when using the shift key to help you tell if it is active. Other than that I see nothing wrong it it.
I generally hated the grey and bland colors and overall design of iOS 6, I sometimes couldn't see the shift key because of my color blindness

Apple offer solutions for color blindness conditions, maybe you should try them. Take care.
 
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