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Keep yelling into the wind. The iPhone SE sells for $399, fyi

Take a close look at Apple's financials over the last two years and you tell me if you think Apple has momentum or not. Apple has already won - you just don't realize it yet

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Now, add up the financials of every Android OEM and compare it to that and you will see that your argument holds no water. Remember, the argument isn't about one company against another, it's one Os against the other. The fact that Apple only builds for themselves, just makes it seem that way. I will give you, that Apple is doing better than any singular Android OEM, but as a whole, they are still massively losing.
 
Kind of sad that we have only 2 smartphone OS's. If you don't want spyware OS, then there's essentially a choice of one.
See, that's the beauty of Android, you can build your Os to your liking. You can create a rom completely devoid of anything to do with Google. Google Copperhead Os, for example. But personally, that kind of defeats the purpose, IMHO.
 
Not surprising really. iPhones offer much better long term support - my iPhone 6S will be supported into 2022 and even 2023 with security updates, I can't name a single Android phone that matches that level of support. This then feeds into resale value and total cost of ownership.

There's nothing appealing to me regarding Android, they might get some features first like 120Hz displays but Apple always does it better. Also their performance advantage is easily a year ahead of Android. I've yet to come across iOS malware, yet this is a sizable problem on Android.

-Security
-Updates
-Performance
-User Experience
-Privacy
-Refinement

Android wins in maybe first to market with new features and competes at the bottom end where margins are razor thin. If you just want a phone and don't care about the best there's always the SE.
O really no malware huh? So explain the article that is on the front page of the site.
 
But what you can't argue, is that more people still use Android because of the freedom, and rightly so.
Until you can give citations for this – not just anecdotes and assertions – yes, we definitely can argue about the point. You’re projecting why you like Android onto every other Android user. I’d argue that more of those people buy Android phones because some Android phones are comparatively quite cheap. Prove me wrong.

Some of us like Apple’s walled garden – no matter how much you dislike it – and we’re not alone.
 
Huawei and such plays a role here.
Huawei is not a significant player when it comes to market share they are nowhere close to be taken seriously at all. The tech giants over at Apple and Samsung kind of won the smartphone race a long time ago and samsung's market share is increasing taking over more ios users.

Huawei and these other chinese tech companies are growing in the lower tier smartphones, sub $300 in developing countries like China, India, Indonesia, Thailand, Vietnam, etc etc. But nobody is spending over $800 for a Huawei or a Xiaomi because it doesn't make any sense.. people flock to Apple or Samsung when it comes to expensive phones.

In terms of revenue and size, Samsung can (it won't because of the CCP wont' let it) can buy out Huawei 20 times over. Huawei is trying to compete with the big dogs but it just cannot compete and yes they use stolen intellectual properties and copies relentlessly from Apple and Samsung. Chinese = Copy & Cheap.
 
Never owned an iPhone, have no intention of ever doing so. Got burned by Apple's crappy iPod and have stayed clear of their portable lineup. Their laptops however are great.
 
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Tim is brilliant? So lets have a look …

AppleTV - outpaced by Netflix, Prime, you name it …
FaceTime - still Apple only, Zoom, Teams is the way to go for online conferences
Home Office, Apple recommends using Dropbox and Competitors. iCloud anyone?
iCloud, still offering 5(!)GB base - 😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🥲🥲🥲 rofl …
iCloud, what about offering a Linux client?
iCloud, what about offering iCloud Copy & Paste for Windows or Linux
iCloud, services, Docker, XY as a service? forget about it - competing with Azure or AWS?

No, Tim is done. No new prodcuts for a decade - just butterfly keyboards are not enough.
But Timo has a cash fountain at his backyard.. plus, you can also buy your own half-baked airpods max at only $550, with lossless audio.. well sorta.

Now what about the magic mouse's charging port, that was real innovation.. and now in colors, loads of courage there. Touch bar should be named Timo Bar. T2 is Timmey's personal chip.

Use Safari, is our most "private" browser ever, it blocks trackers but shows ads, Snowden is drooling all over it, Aplpe has outdone themselves again.

5Gb free iCloud storage should be enough for all your 4k cat vids.
Always remember, "we love our customers (wallet)".

..and even then they are counting your money 🤣

You just got Timo'ed.
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See, that's the beauty of Android, you can build your Os to your liking. You can create a rom completely devoid of anything to do with Google. Google Copperhead Os, for example. But personally, that kind of defeats the purpose, IMHO.

You like Android and that is fine. The thing is that, most iPhone users don't want to tinker with their phone.
 
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You like Android and that is fine. The thing is that, most iPhone users don't want to tinker with their phone.
I understand why people use iPhones and that's fine. You don't care if you actually have control over your property, as long as it works, nothing wrong with that if that's your thing. But that has always been Apple's biggest downfall when it comes to winning Android users. No one can or should ever argue who makes better hardware, as there is no argument. Everyone knows, or should know, that Apple is the king in that department. Yet, a vast majority of users are willing to deal with the flaws of Android(as I stated in my original post), simply because of the freedom it affords. That's not anecdotal, that's a fact. If Apple allowed me to unlock my bootloader on a device that I paid for, I would be all over it. But this is like buying a car and then being told by the manufacturer what you're allowed to do with it. I also agree that not all Android users want to have to tinker with their devices, but I would rather have an option than not. That users assertion that I responded to, is that you're either stuck with the walled garden of iOS or Google and their tracking tomfoolery and that simply is not the case.
 
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Makes sense. You've got a 3 year support time or less for most Android phones compared to 5-6 years of iPhones, their value falls off much more quickly than iPhones (if you're wanting to sell on eBay) and of course the privacy angle. It's really amazing its 50/50.
Really and you can get android phones for under $100! I'm surprised that Apple is holding steady at 50%.
 
Android still dominates over 80% of the market share. Gonna have to do better than this to make it look like it's even close. You could argue which platform is better til the cows come home. But what you can't argue, is that more people still use Android because of the freedom, and rightly so. Who wants to pay upwards of a grand for a device, only to be told what you can do with it? This is why Android will ALWAYS be the dominating Os, regardless of it's many inherent flaws. It is certainly not perfect, by any means, but at least I am allowed FULL control over my device that's running it.
Yeah android phones under $100 is why :) The bargain you make there is google gets your info.
 
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I understand why people use iPhones and that's fine. You don't care if you actually have control over your property, as long as it works, nothing wrong with that if that's your thing. But that has always been Apple's biggest downfall when it comes to winning Android users. No one can or should ever argue who makes better hardware, as there is no argument. Everyone knows, or should know, that Apple is the king in that department. Yet, a vast majority of users are willing to deal with the flaws of Android(as I stated in my original post), simply because of the freedom it affords. That's not anecdotal, that's a fact. If Apple allowed me to unlock my bootloader on a device that I paid for, I would be all over it. But this is like buying a car and then being told by the manufacturer what you're allowed to do with it. I also agree that not all Android users want to have to tinker with their devices, but I would rather have an option than not. That users assertion that I responded to, is that you're either stuck with the walled garden of iOS or Google and their tracking tomfoolery and that simply is not the case. As far as your second response, data is anecdotal as well, without the proof behind how it was gathered. So, there's that.

The data mentioned in this article is about activation and I don't see any reason to believe that is anecdotal.
 
Android still dominates over 80% of the market share.
Android’s 80% market share is global, and is only that high because Apple’s products aren’t competitive in developing countries due to cost. US regulators aren’t concerned about global market share, US regulators care about the US market where iOS and Android have a 50/50 duopoly.
 
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And most of people I know with Android buy it for the price and really don't even know how to use their
phone. And they are always dealing with some spyware or google coming up with ads for things they have been
talking about. As an Iphone user I don't care if android has 90% of the market.
As long as I don't have to deal with the crap my android friends deal with.
 
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That would be because Apple does not have a monopoly in the smart phone market.

Do you think that Ford has a monopoly in the automotive market because only Ford can provide warranties for Ford vehicles?
Good try on the analogy, but completely wrong context. If you are comparing apple and ford and supposed monopolies it would be like ford selling the car and only being able to get gas or electricity from Ford. If you are comparing "apples to apples". So your statement is not even in the same context. Now, it works if you are comparing apple's right to repair shenannigans with fords warranty.
 
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See, that's the beauty of Android, you can build your Os to your liking. You can create a rom completely devoid of anything to do with Google. Google Copperhead Os, for example. But personally, that kind of defeats the purpose, IMHO.
This building your phone OS is for kids that have time to burn.
Most people with a job could care less about this, sorry.
 
And most of people I know with Android buy it for the price and really don't even know how to use their
phone. And they are always dealing with some spyware or google coming up with ads for things they have been
talking about. As an Iphone user I don't care if android has 90% of the market.
As long as I don't have to deal with the crap my android friends deal with.
I use Android and do not have to deal with the crap your Android friends deal with and I am not super techie. I feel for you though because even with your iPhone, you still have to listen to your friends relate their Android tales of woe.
 
And most of people I know with Android buy it for the price and really don't even know how to use their
phone. And they are always dealing with some spyware or google coming up with ads for things they have been
talking about. As an Iphone user I don't care if android has 90% of the market.
As long as I don't have to deal with the crap my android friends deal with.
And I can respect that, the argument has never changed, which I would have to argue is why they call iphone users, isheep. You don't care what you're giving up, just as long as it works as it should. And there is nothing wrong with that. I mean, it's not anecdotal why people chose Android, it's in the name(Android Open Source Project). There are cheap iphones as well and considering how long they are supported, you could still buy a second hand one for cheap if their os was REALLY that important. So, sorry, trying to use the price as a reason why people buy Android devices, is BS.
 
Now, add up the financials of every Android OEM and compare it to that and you will see that your argument holds no water. Remember, the argument isn't about one company against another, it's one Os against the other. The fact that Apple only builds for themselves, just makes it seem that way. I will give you, that Apple is doing better than any singular Android OEM, but as a whole, they are still massively losing.
Massively losing what? Market share? Revenue? Profits? Apple against the entirety of android manufacturers or a single manufacturer?
 
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All these android "anecdotes" from 2012. I have not had an issue with android since then. Fragmentation is a non issue, security updates are done monthly if not sooner, my galaxy tablet running a10 had a security update on all apps every month since I have owned it. You can check in the version of android on it. last patch was july 2021. Better than apple actually which usually needs a catastrophic breach in security to send out a patch. There are a bunch of holes in iOS they have not even sent updates for yet.
 
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