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I agree with you. They have great products and they are premium. Apple is in the business of making money and they do it quite well. So.....why brag about insane profits? Why advertise that you are overpaying for something? Why is the fact that Apple has 200 BILLION dollars in cash reserves a bragging point? What does that mean to you in a way that denotes pride or bragging rights? How does that cash hoard reward you in any form of fashion? Do you own stock? If so good...then bad because you will never see that cash reserve returned to you.
Apple invests in R&D? Yes but they are among the lowest spenders in this area. This has been pointed out numerous times in this thread.
So again why is profit in the insane amount Apple has a bragging point for you?

When I make a buying decision, I look at the price versus what I think it will provide me with. Some Apple products don't pass the test for me and I don't buy them. It's a simple act.

On the other hand, I love the Apple products that I do own, and I like to see the company succeeding and continuing to make great products that I may or may not buy. So, on the one hand I would like them to be cheaper, but I celebrate the fact that they are continuing to make products that people like and are willing to pay for.

It is possible to both want cheaper products and be happy that the company that is making them is being successful. It is also possible to respect the business acumen that it takes to be an incredibly successful company financially while wishing that it didn't come at your expense. But I haven't regretted the money I have paid for my Apple products and I have many products from other manufactures that I paid a lot less for, but have huge disappointments around.
 
Interesting language in the title.

Really, it should read something like "Apple secures just 17.7% of market, down from 20.4%" or "Apple's smartphone market share declines to 17.7%". But by lumping Apple in with Android, MacRumors are trying to make it all sound positive for Apple.

Microsoft could use the same logic by saying "iOS, Android and Windows Phone capture combined 99.5% share of smartphone market"

I really dislike the term "Market Share" when it comes to sales numbers, IMHO market share deals with market penetration of a product over a period of time not how many devices sold during a period. My main reason is because Apple products tend to last much much longer than competing equipment. My 15 year old Granddaughter just upgraded her (my old) iPhone 3GS for a 5S, after it had been handed down to my wife then a year later to our daughter then two years later to my granddaughter. Since she wanted current apps and Siri she used her babysitting money to make the upgrade. While my youngest son had 3 Android phones in a year before he got fed up and made the iPhone switch. BTW my original iPhone 2007 is used by a younger grandchild as an iPod Touch with emergency calling capability.
 
Yes, and the real Santa Claus is my cousin.

I'm satisfied with the quality of just about every Apple product I own (Apple TV started a little rough though but Its quickly improving with software updates), so clearly those profits are resulting in a positive effect for me as a consumer.

I think Apple's higher profits than the competition are justified for consistently delivering well designed and well performing products year after year.
 
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Microsoft might not be in such dire straits if they hadn't screwed over their existing mobile customer base. Repeatedly.
Exactly.
Microsoft had an opportunity right after the iPhone to change directions.
Microsoft released multiple OS versions that bricked phones.
I switched to a Blackberry Storm from a Microsoft Phone.
 
So who's buying all these Android devices???

In my part of the world (Australia), I still see more iPhones in use than Android ones. Ditto iPads. Around here I reckon iOS has more than 50% of the market.
 
I really dislike the term "Market Share" when it comes to sales numbers, IMHO market share deals with market penetration of a product over a period of time not how many devices sold during a period.

Huh?

Market share specifically deals with new sales over a given period of time. That's what it has always been.

"Market share is the percentage of an industry or market's total sales that is earned by a particular company over a specified time period. Market share is calculated by taking the company's sales over the period and dividing it by the total sales of the industry over the same period." - http://www.investopedia.com/terms/m/marketshare.asp

This article says there were 403.1 million smartphones sold in Q4 2015.

Apple sold 71.5 million smartphones... thus Apple had 17.7% market share in Q4 2015.

My main reason is because Apple products tend to last much much longer than competing equipment.

That's an interesting metric for sure. And I agree with the claim. But that's not what this article... or any market share article... is looking at.

Another term you might be interested in is installed base. Your old hand-me-down iPhones are still part of the installed base.

There are something like 700 million iPhones out in the world right now. That includes brand new iPhones that were recently purchased... as well as 5 year old iPhones that are still in active use. And everything in between.

But that has nothing to do market share.

Market share has to do with new sales over a period of time.
 
When I make a buying decision, I look at the price versus what I think it will provide me with. Some Apple products don't pass the test for me and I don't buy them. It's a simple act.

On the other hand, I love the Apple products that I do own, and I like to see the company succeeding and continuing to make great products that I may or may not buy. So, on the one hand I would like them to be cheaper, but I celebrate the fact that they are continuing to make products that people like and are willing to pay for.

It is possible to both want cheaper products and be happy that the company that is making them is being successful. It is also possible to respect the business acumen that it takes to be an incredibly successful company financially while wishing that it didn't come at your expense. But I haven't regretted the money I have paid for my Apple products and I have many products from other manufactures that I paid a lot less for, but have huge disappointments around.
The only apple product I ever regretted was the 6 plus. Otherwise it has been smooth sailing and clear skies. I thought the large screen outweighed the other issues I had, but that's a $300 some loss I won't see back.
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So who's buying all these Android devices???

In my part of the world (Australia), I still see more iPhones in use than Android ones. Ditto iPads. Around here I reckon iOS has more than 50% of the market.
I did a Google search for "android sales by continent" and the first hit was "9/10 smartphones sold in Spain are android". That's one example. Though I'm not sure "going out into the wild and observing" is any real metric to go by. China and India are also two countries with enormous populations where smartphone sales are dominated, as a second example.

http://www.statista.com/statistics/...ng-systems-for-smartphone-sales-in-australia/

The above link shows some stats, though I don't know how reliable the source is.

How reliable is the sunset morning herald? It also puts android on top.
http://m.smh.com.au/digital-life/mo...-to-android-in-australia-20150907-gjhc4l.html
 
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Didn't Google/Android just pass apple as the world richest company?
Apple recently made more quarterly profit than any company in history. That's what the earlier comment was referencing.

You're referring stock price and volume. Google passed Apple... but I think it was temporary.
 
Yes, and the real Santa Claus is my cousin.

Awesome contribution, thanks!
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Oh I don't disagree. I own a 6s+ and think it's one of the finest phones on the market. Offering antiquated 16 gigabyte and 5400 rpm memory/drives with ludicrously priced upgrades however isn't necessary to make good phones/computers.

Sorry, don't understand your point at all. If they make, what most people believe, to be the best products in their categories, why shouldn't they charge a premium for them? You pay a premium to own the best in (almost) every facet of life. Your personal opinion is in conflict with market reality.
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Didn't Google/Android just pass apple as the world richest company?

Yes, for three days.
 
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Sorry, don't understand your point at all. If they make, what most people believe, to be the best products in their categories, why shouldn't they charge a premium for them? You pay a premium to own the best in (almost) every facet of life. Your personal opinion is in conflict with market reality.
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Yes, for three days.

Completely missed the point the first poster said Android makes no money.it's Google's number one money maker from all the cell phones using its services
 
Android = most volume.
iOS = most profit.
That's it. People shouldn't flame over it.
Doesn't matter. Android = crap, iOS = becoming crap.
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So who's buying all these Android devices???

In my part of the world (Australia), I still see more iPhones in use than Android ones. Ditto iPads. Around here I reckon iOS has more than 50% of the market.
Around here, OS marketshare appears to be 90% Mac, 8% Linux, 2% Windows. :D
 
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On the same level as yours. With less words. You cannot be serious. It took me almost a minute to think something as naive and out of reality as your "profit" statement
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I'm satisfied with the quality of just about every Apple product I own (Apple TV started a little rough though but Its quickly improving with software updates), so clearly those profits are resulting in a positive effect for me as a consumer.

I think Apple's higher profits than the competition are justified for consistently delivering well designed and well performing products year after year.
Your satisfaction with Apple products naturally leads to the point expressed in your second part. And I'm happy for you to be a happy customer. But in no way in this universe there's a chance that higher profits take you to better products. It's the opposite, and sometimes questionable. People willing to spend money on what they think are premium devices will make a company's profits grow. And this is universal, out of iOS, Android, Apple, Samsung, Windows, Google etc.etc
 
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AND NO, I'M NOT A BLACKBERRY FANBOY. I've never owned a blackberry. It's just embarrassing to see a bunch of people constantly rip on one corporation while pledging allegiance to another over a TELEPHONE. It's pathetic.

At least this isn't a Ford or Chevy debate.
 
When I make a buying decision, I look at the price versus what I think it will provide me with. Some Apple products don't pass the test for me and I don't buy them. It's a simple act.

On the other hand, I love the Apple products that I do own, and I like to see the company succeeding and continuing to make great products that I may or may not buy. So, on the one hand I would like them to be cheaper, but I celebrate the fact that they are continuing to make products that people like and are willing to pay for.

It is possible to both want cheaper products and be happy that the company that is making them is being successful. It is also possible to respect the business acumen that it takes to be an incredibly successful company financially while wishing that it didn't come at your expense. But I haven't regretted the money I have paid for my Apple products and I have many products from other manufactures that I paid a lot less for, but have huge disappointments around.
Now you have moved away from the post you felt you needed to reply to that didn't even involve you to begin with.
I don't understand why people brag about insane profits by a company. It's not like they are going to get any of that money.
To your examples and statements. I have bought products and paid very little for them and they turned out to be the most useful cost effective products. On the other hand i have over paid for products that turned out to be rubbish as well.

Just because something has a higher price tag does not make it a good buy or cost effective.
I have a rMBP and iMac and 2 ipads and a Time Capsule...... don't regret any of them except the TC. It was overpriced compared to competing products. I bought it...well because it said Apple on it. But it is going to be replaced by a better less expensive competing product. I don't mind spending money on good products. But i also don't want to overspend because of the brand logo either.
 
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On the same level as yours. With less words. You cannot be serious. It took me almost a minute to think something as naive and out of reality as your "profit" statement

Profits create R&D budgets, not the other way around. If you don't believe this then feel to proceed with your ego-boosting insults. While you're at it, keep believe that your definition of "premium" is more important than the market at large.
 
I was unaware there was much other option

I feel bad for Microsoft here.

Their OS is decidedly different and original in look and feel from the other 2.

Bad marketing I guess.. or people lost faith in Microsoft and phones. Phones are pretty expensive, so you just can't "check it out" with a $500 device.
 
Profits create R&D budgets, not the other way around. If you don't believe this then feel to proceed with your ego-boosting insults. While you're at it, keep believe that your definition of "premium" is more important than the market at large.
Thanks for the quick and cheap analysis of my ego. Unfortunately, every 1000 biased posts trying to convince me that it is wrong not to praise every single Apple move I urgently feel the need to give a response. Childish (and I beg everybody's pardon for this) in this case, but deserved in my opinion.
I hope your position in AAPL is not giving you too many headaches lately. In the end is thanks to people like you and your beliefs in "premium" that I've got my pockets filled with money twice in the last 4 years. I should try to better treat you faithful buyers.
 
Thanks for the quick and cheap analysis of my ego. Unfortunately, every 1000 biased posts trying to convince me that it is wrong not to praise every single Apple move I urgently feel the need to give a response. Childish (and I beg everybody's pardon for this) in this case, but deserved in my opinion.
I hope your position in AAPL is not giving you too many headaches lately. In the end is thanks to people like you and your beliefs in "premium" that I've got my pockets filled with money twice in the last 4 years. I should try to better treat you faithful buyers.

Your non-apology is much appreciated. And luckily I got into that long position real cheap, thanks for asking!
 
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Didn't Google/Android just pass apple as the world richest company?

No, most valuable according to the stock market. This is the same group that hits Apple every year even though they made about as much in profits as Alphabet made in total income.
 
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