No I do not expect it to run flawlessly. Perhaps you should go back and read the post again. I'm getting annoyed at people who just glance at the post and miss my point.
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IOS beta 1 and 2 have both been terrible.
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There is no high horse involved, you are complaining about things wrong in a beta. If you want to complain about issues, go to the Beta 2 bug thread or report to Apple, don't make an entire new post. You don't seem to grasp the concept that there will be problems, because it is a beta. Betas are not designed for an end-user to use as a daily OS. You are saying everyone misinterpreted your post; maybe you wrote the post incorrectly?
I have read your post. Everything that you mentioned is what is expected in a BETA (a very early one at that). If you are just going to complain, not submit bugs to Apple, and not use it for developer purposes it is best for you to fall back into iOS 7. As you said yourself, this firmware should not be installed on a daily driver. Therefore, being able to answering calls ect shouldnt even be a huge issue since that is a function that should be on your daily driver. By your post I am assuming you are not a developer, so you should wait for the public version of iOS 8 to be released so you can use IOS 8 the way that it was intended to be used. Developers are currently using the version that is set for them so they can use IOS 8 the way that it was intended to be used for them. I didn't miss your point at all. I get it! You expect a BETA version of iOS to be identical to the the final product.
It seems like a good part of the underlying discussion point that was being made is the comparison between iOS 8 betas so far and their iOS 7 counterparts--the differences in stability/issues/etc. So it's not so much about just betas being unstable and whatnot, but more about a discussion, or even simply observations, of what might be behind much better stability in some betas compared to others, and/or about the sometimes drastic differences in stability of the same betas for different people.
Seems like people aren't catching on that part of it as they simply comment on the general concept of "it's a beta" just to parrot that point for no reason while ignoring a whole other side of the conversation because they don't even notice it in their rush to make "it's a beta" comment or really have no comment to make about that part of the discussion but still feel the need to throw in the redundant "it's a beta" comment.
Seems like people aren't catching on that part of it as they simply comment on the general concept of "it's a beta" just to parrot that point for no reason while ignoring a whole other side of the conversation because they don't even notice it in their rush to make "it's a beta" comment or really have no comment to make about that part of the discussion but still feel the need to throw in the redundant "it's a beta" comment.
Instead of making a new post, I figured this would be a good thread to post my thoughts on ios8b1 and b2.
Now, keep in mind I come from the world of software engineering for a major printer manufacturer here in the USA. We see everything from "pre-release (DON'T USE THIS!)" releases to golden master final builds. EDT, DVT hardware and everything between. Thus, being an actual developer helps when talking about software issues.
With that said, I strongly believe what Apple is calling a beta is, by my definition, an alpha test in some respects. Of course, Apple could just call it "Blue Sky" instead of "Beta" and it be technically correct as each company can use whatever terminology they want. I feel that if Apple were to call it "alpha" rather than "beta", we may not have so many incorrect expectations.
Now, keep in mind I come from the world of software engineering for a major printer manufacturer here in the USA. We see everything from "pre-release (DON'T USE THIS!)" releases to golden master final builds. EDT, DVT hardware and everything between. Thus, being an actual developer helps when talking about software issues.
With that said, I strongly believe what Apple is calling a beta is, by my definition, an alpha test in some respects. Of course, Apple could just call it "Blue Sky" instead of "Beta" and it be technically correct as each company can use whatever terminology they want. I feel that if Apple were to call it "alpha" rather than "beta", we may not have so many incorrect expectations.
This is partly true, but that statement that it isn't meant for everyday use does throw you off a bit, even you've commented on that. IMO the OP wasn't worded in a way that got the point across clearly.
No, I don't think beta 1 or 2 are stable enough for daily use, beta 2 is much better though. iOS 7 beta was very unstable.
Oh that's bull crap. You obviously lack reading comprehension. Maybe you should get some help with that? I said I realize every beta has problems. I never expected it to be the same. I'm sorry, that you can't grasp that.
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Bingo! Nailed it.
I've actually experienced the opposite. IOS 7 was very buggy for me last year. Haven't had really any problems at all running either beta of iOS8 so far.
And that's completely okay. People are having different experiences. Instead of having a discussion about the problems, people are getting defensive and just sounding like a broken record by repeating "it's a beta" to the point of becoming nauseated. We get it. It's a beta. That doesn't mean though that we can't discuss the issues that are in this beta.
Are you sure you realize its a beta? Instead of posting here complaining that it doesn't work, you should be making posts about issues you've encountered and workarounds for them. Whole point of beta is to test it out to work out issues. It isn't an early preview of what is to come. If someone else makes a post about an issue you've come across, help them out with an idea that worked for you.
Once again, I was posting my experience. And my experience wasn't good. I'm getting tired of defending myself when I was quite clear about what
I meant. I will not be investing any more of my time arguing in this thread. It's a lost cause at this point.
Squashing the big bugs and not speed optimization have always been the priorities in earlier iOS betas.
To answer your question... Yes.
You yourself said "I understand that every beta will have problems, but these definitely are not for every day use."
And that's exactly it. Betas aren't intended for every day use. That's why I don't understand this post. If you didn't make that statement I could better understand.
I think that everyday use statement ultimately was made more in comparison to how it was different (for most) with some other betas in the past, like iOS 7 beta 1 and 2, for example. That said, as I myself mentioned, normally these aren't for everyday use as in use on a main daily driver device, it just happens that for a lot of people some past betas (like most of the iOS 7 ones) were actually better than beta quality and worked out in that respect.
I could see that being derived from his statement, but my take is that any beta version that is a full version different, like 6, 7 or 8 should be looked at as a clean slate. No expectations on usability based on past betas, etc. That's why I feel that the every day use statement was poor wording. At the end of the day the op is free to post their opinions, feelings, etc.
For me (iPhone 5s), iOS 8 beta 1 is one of the most stable beta releases I've ever used. And beta 2 is slightly better (albeit for a few apps that don't work). But my phone never seems to lock up or even get moody like iOS betas are known to do.
Just a pleasant surprise I thought I'd share.
Just a pleasant surprise I thought I'd share.
I have to disagree. I even had to clear iOS 7 betas 1 and 2 off my non primary hardware. By B3 it was fine.
very odd, i hardly have any issues. it does seem seem odd how we all are having different experiences. maybe a clean install? (i checked you did that), you didn't transfer anything over right? have you reported the bugs to apple?