Haha, not only that, he's probably leaving you 1 star negative reviews because your (our!) apps are broken in iOS 5 beta! 🙂
(kidding, but it is happening, I saw an article on it today!)
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iOS Beta Testing for non-Devs
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Haha, not only that, he's probably leaving you 1 star negative reviews because your (our!) apps are broken in iOS 5 beta! 🙂
(kidding, but it is happening, I saw an article on it today!)
heisenberg123
macrumors 603
exactly, everyone got it like it was a race to get it, then it was a race to complain on here about everything "not ready" why would the release be in Sept if it was anywhere near complete?
BlindMellon
macrumors 65816
Some people, in some small way, would like to feel like they're a part of the iOS creation process and enjoy imagining they are contributing to the greater cause.
Now if these folks come in complaining about what a piece of crap iOS 5 is because things are broken, then they deserve all the heat they get.
I agree completely, maybe there should be a sticky thread to remind people to read the documentation first. But will it stop people from asking questions that may have been answered in those docs? Probably not. But this is an open forum where people sometimes will ask "stupid" questions. All I'm trying to say is that I don't think the tone that some people are bringing into the forum is appropriate.
I'm sure that some of the people who want to try iOS 5 have a genuine interest in the software and might also be interested in starting to develop their own apps (I know I am!), why not encourage them rather than shoot them down?
I understand your point of view but tend to disagree. You always represent the profession that you are working in, whether you choose to or not. As somebody who is not involved in this profession and somewhat objective (hopefully), my impression of the developer community is going downhill by reading some of the replies that devs have given to non-devs.
Take it on board or don't, it doesn't matter to me, all I can do is point it out.
I'm stating observations that I have made by reading this forum since iOS 5 was released to devs. At no point did I ask for help on features that aren't working properly or even suggested that apps are not yet optimized for iOS 5.
You don't need to be a paid developer to make your own apps, only put them on a device. Learn how to make the app first, then become a paid developer.
So first let me get this off my chest:
All devs are ******s, including me. Yes, we're elitist who hope to create useful software for users so that they may worship us in our proper light. 😀
That said, I actually would prefer if Apple released their beta software more openly to general public so we developers can use actual real guinea pigs instead of simulated beta audience for development. Apple should probably put some legal disclaimer stating that their beta software is meant for "testing" purposes only and your device won't be supported so if something doesn't work, you are SOL until the next release. Most software developed for iOS runs fine even with it being a beta unless you're using new APIs which would then be due to the stability of the system.
If John Public wants to use iOS5, they should really be thanking Apple for a chance to be in on the testing process instead of bitching about all the features that aren't working or are missing. It's just an attitude adjustment: you get to try out new features in return for having bugs since it's not finished. If you have the ability to report the bug, then go for it, by all means, you can even provide sample code to fix it. If you can't provide any feedback, just sit back and wait for the next release.
All devs are ******s, including me. Yes, we're elitist who hope to create useful software for users so that they may worship us in our proper light. 😀
That said, I actually would prefer if Apple released their beta software more openly to general public so we developers can use actual real guinea pigs instead of simulated beta audience for development. Apple should probably put some legal disclaimer stating that their beta software is meant for "testing" purposes only and your device won't be supported so if something doesn't work, you are SOL until the next release. Most software developed for iOS runs fine even with it being a beta unless you're using new APIs which would then be due to the stability of the system.
If John Public wants to use iOS5, they should really be thanking Apple for a chance to be in on the testing process instead of bitching about all the features that aren't working or are missing. It's just an attitude adjustment: you get to try out new features in return for having bugs since it's not finished. If you have the ability to report the bug, then go for it, by all means, you can even provide sample code to fix it. If you can't provide any feedback, just sit back and wait for the next release.
robbieduncan
Moderator emeritus
If people are too lazy or ignorant to read the very short release notes that tell them what to expect not to work then I see no reason for them to expect anything other than short, sharp reminders on what they should be doing. Anything else simply panders to their lazy, arrogant (in that they consider their time too valuable to read the notes but others is cheap enough that they will) attitude and enables this to continue.
Oh I also forgot to mention the NDAs. If you are a developer that has signed the Apple NDA, you're not supposed to aid any "espionage" activity regarding the software and hardware. That's the other reason why Devs are so tight-lipped. It could involve legal action which would be really bad. I try to give out info whenever I can while still maintaining NDA.
Well Apple doesn't seem too bothered about this "illegal" activity because if they had a problem with it they would be actively asking eBay to remove every one of the auctions from devs selling UDIDs to people. They have before for people selling Apple prototypes and if they were that bothered they would again.
I cant figure out why anyone who has no intentions on developing anything, would want to pay $99 just for early access to a beta OS? 😕
BlindMellon
macrumors 65816
Same people that would pay $200+ for an iPad case. Not even that, really. I considered myself because I have 3 iDevices and I can afford it. Didn't tho.
daneoni
macrumors G5
Two words; disposable income
Fair point. But let's face it a lot of people don't read documentations and only true devs will do it. Par for course. It is a problem i agree but it's not going away anytime soon.
That said, there are elitist devs out there who 'take the piss'
You're right. Devs are elitist pricks because we ask people to read the documentation that goes along with the beta software people are installing on their phone.
Sorry - you don't have an argument. It's not elitist, condescending, or anything like that. You guys are just lazy and expect to be coddled.
daneoni
macrumors G5
Umm...nope. Thats not why they are elitists. Try again. Also try not to be assumptive this time...i'm not running iOS 5.
"you guys"? Where have I asked for help regarding iOS 5? Where? Show me... please!
Thank you!!!
Fabian: Why can't you accept responsibility for your own actions? If people download pre-release software and don't read the documentation, aren't they to blame for encountering KNOWN problems? Why are we elitist if we instruct you to do what you should have done in the first place? WHY CAN'T YOU TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR OWN ACTIONS? LOL
Aduntu
macrumors 6502a
If 'tone' is bothering you, you should just give up on the internet now.
Software piracy is illegal. Whether Apple decides to take issue with it is really not that important. I guess some of us prefer to live by the principle that obeying laws is the right thing to do whether or not someone is looking over our shoulder or enforcing them. Weird, huh?
You seem to be confusing multiple scenarios:
1) Developers
2) Non-Developers who signed up with the Apple program as a developer.
3) People downloading through bittorrent.
If you had legitimate access to the beta (1 or 2) you have access to the readme and can read it yourself. People in #3 may or may not have access to that.
I don't think developers really care much about #2. You want to use it fine. However, anyone that doesn't RTFM on basic details is going to be assumed to have downloaded it illegally.
boss.king
Suspended
Stop looking for a fight. He obviously meant the people who ask for help without having read the documentation. If you aren't one of them, ignore it.
heisenberg123
macrumors 603
Also, if you have a developer account, Apple provides a support forum for iOS 5. So why are you asking questions here?