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Nope, it's not about how many manufacturers there are, its not about your narrow viewed opinion . Sorry to disappoint you old bean, but when official figures are released, and 56% of the country uses android, then as hard as it is for you to get your head round these complicated equations,. But the USA is run on android... :)
56% of the US doesn't use Android. That's not what this report tells us. 56% of devices activated last quarter were Android devices. It doesn't tell us anything about the people who didn't get a new device.

If anything this suggests more people had to replace their Android device than Apple devices.
 
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I like iOS and Apple, but truth remains that its dangerous for everyone to have 2 players that run all our electronic devices that people rely on to live today.
 
I like iOS and Apple, but truth remains that its dangerous for everyone to have 2 players that run all our electronic devices that people rely on to live today.
Others have tried and didn't quite succeed. It's an open market and the majority have voted with their dollars. Having said that, Android has multiple players that could develop their own operating system if needed.
 
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I like iOS and Apple, but truth remains that its dangerous for everyone to have 2 players that run all our electronic devices that people rely on to live today.

There is always a possibility for other company like Microsoft to reentry the market but it probably needs to cut down the OS license fee significantly that won't make OEM device fragmentation like Android.
 
Both Apple and Google do everything they can to make their OS as sticky as possible

Imagine you're using all or even some of the Google services and switched toApple - ugh, what a pain to change that all out, or re-arrange it, etc

Same for Apple - now I have iCloud subscription and a host of other things I really like, would be hard to switch to Android

Sure it's possible - but if I face the prospect of spending a day rearranging all my systems, that makes me way more likely to spend a very long time looking at suitable models on my platform where I don't have to do that...
 
You might wanna check those maths again fella? 56 for android kinda trumps 44 for ios wouldn't you say?

when you consider how many android manufacturers vs one iOS manufacturer. The number is staggering. When one manufacturer commands commands such a high percentage of the market. It means they dominate the market.

one company, with one OS should not be able to beat multiple manufacture running the same operating system. But here we are
 
Both Apple and Google do everything they can to make their OS as sticky as possible

Imagine you're using all or even some of the Google services and switched toApple - ugh, what a pain to change that all out, or re-arrange it, etc

Same for Apple - now I have iCloud subscription and a host of other things I really like, would be hard to switch to Android

Sure it's possible - but if I face the prospect of spending a day rearranging all my systems, that makes me way more likely to spend a very long time looking at suitable models on my platform where I don't have to do that...

Switching from Android+Google Services to iOS is not nearly as difficult as iOS+Services/SW to Android:
  1. All of Google's services (except the PlayStore and app bindings) are available for iOS.
  2. The majority of Android apps are available on iOS (Productivity, Games, Learning, WebBased Social Media).
  3. Features within Android of course mostly are lacking within iOS.
  4. Apple's services/SW mostly maybe available, yet a few are not (iMessage, AppleCare+, ApplePay/Cash/Card, Pages/Numbers/(that presentation app too).
  5. Many of iOS SW is NOT available for Android, some may have similar comparison sw yet many features are lacking or too several years for a comparable software to emerge (Things! on iOS/MacOS had no comparison for 5yrs on Android).

The main 2 issues is not about 'stickiness' or ecosystems ... it's the nature of the OS mantra + Developers and the end users:
  1. Android by definition is 'FREE' to hardware manufacturers, yet to use Google's web-software and services, said manufacturers cannot fork or mess with the core Google Android offerings. They can add their own yet cannot remove what Google offers (ie Chrome).
  2. Further to this, over the years that 'FREE' software has NOT kept the pricing of premium hardware below Apple's (less than 50/100 US is just the season really) ... so the end user is paying for the OS regardless [Samsung Galaxy S9 - the exception yet close, S10, S20 series, Note 9/10 vs iPhone X/XS, 11 Pro ~ pricing at launch retail has been pretty much the same].
  3. The KEY here is that the majority of Android users, does NOT like paying for software above the $4/5 US threshold. There is always some way to circumvent the playstore by getting the APK file or jailbreak or demand no cost. I truly believe the freemium started on Android first before iOS, yet that's my opinion and speculation.
  4. PlayStore refunds seems to be quite frequent, something I'm sure developers are not happy about: sales for the first few days/wks end up as refunds, how does a developer chart their hard work correctly the first month?!

Therein also lies the disparity between the two:
  1. There is one Apple Pay ... yet Google Payments because Google Play, and now we have Samsung Pay, Huawei Pay, and soon OnePlus Pay systems - its a bit ridiculous and as wild and confusing to the end consumer as why manufacturers haven't supported Android updates as fast for the previous year model like Apple has during initial release.
  2. Some 1 yr old models (even 6 mths old) doesn't get the latest Android OS from the manufacturer for upwards of 6mths! That's ridiculous.
  3. Apple iOS by comparison, every major or incremental update goes on phones the same day of launch up to 5yrs old with less than 5% of the latest features not hardware supported on the oldest phones that can run the updates!
  4. Moreover Apple users, and iOS users are known to pay more than $5 frequently on software for either platform even via the Mac App / iOS App Store ... since their paying for quality software, a seemingly long term guaranteed support by the developer(s)/development team(s), and that Apple will check the software, and updates being submitted before allowing them through, rejecting many! Development teams like Spotify like to kick and scream and run to the EU Union saying Apple doesn't play fair, yet they knowing chose to get that market of users grow immensely for years before complaining - but they're still wanting to play in that garden cause they KNOW the value of the users therein!
I'd be willing to wager, should Apple license iOS out to say 2 major competitors: Samsung & Asus/Sony/Razer ... with all core software/services offered ... that iOS users, the majority would stick with Apple. The reliability, trust of services/warranty, and social responsibility of the brand is core of why iOS users still and remain with Apple.

The Jobs era of Apple, first wave was stick it to the main withe the middle, while the second wave was I gave you all power I made you buck wild! The Cook era is cum-by-ya and wealth for investors, a real human person that leads by example.

Asus, Acer, Google, Huawei, Oppo, Razer, Samsung, Sony (Audio quality, Gaming), ... what's their core mantra that they show by their CEO's/COO's on a weekly?! Anything? There is no continuance of Brand reasoning for being, reason to be loyal vs the hardware offered, nor the reason to trust their brand beyond the product. There is no person connection other than being in a peer ownership group (being in the cliq).

damn sorry I went off on a diatribe there. I really wish Android had less confusion, better hardware support from Google and the hardware manufacturers and better synergies of hardware offered by each of them: Samsung, Sony and now Huawei is getting the bigger the last few short years, but just how many own a Galaxy phone connect to their Fridge/Washer/Dryer/AC unit aside from their TV and think they're living the ecosystem dream life?
 
Switching from Android+Google Services to iOS is not nearly as difficult as iOS+Services/SW to Android:
  1. All of Google's services (except the PlayStore and app bindings) are available for iOS.
  2. The majority of Android apps are available on iOS (Productivity, Games, Learning, WebBased Social Media).
  3. Features within Android of course mostly are lacking within iOS.
  4. Apple's services/SW mostly maybe available, yet a few are not (iMessage, AppleCare+, ApplePay/Cash/Card, Pages/Numbers/(that presentation app too).
  5. Many of iOS SW is NOT available for Android, some may have similar comparison sw yet many features are lacking or too several years for a comparable software to emerge (Things! on iOS/MacOS had no comparison for 5yrs on Android).

The main 2 issues is not about 'stickiness' or ecosystems ... it's the nature of the OS mantra + Developers and the end users:
  1. Android by definition is 'FREE' to hardware manufacturers, yet to use Google's web-software and services, said manufacturers cannot fork or mess with the core Google Android offerings. They can add their own yet cannot remove what Google offers (ie Chrome).
  2. Further to this, over the years that 'FREE' software has NOT kept the pricing of premium hardware below Apple's (less than 50/100 US is just the season really) ... so the end user is paying for the OS regardless [Samsung Galaxy S9 - the exception yet close, S10, S20 series, Note 9/10 vs iPhone X/XS, 11 Pro ~ pricing at launch retail has been pretty much the same].
  3. The KEY here is that the majority of Android users, does NOT like paying for software above the $4/5 US threshold. There is always some way to circumvent the playstore by getting the APK file or jailbreak or demand no cost. I truly believe the freemium started on Android first before iOS, yet that's my opinion and speculation.
  4. PlayStore refunds seems to be quite frequent, something I'm sure developers are not happy about: sales for the first few days/wks end up as refunds, how does a developer chart their hard work correctly the first month?!

Therein also lies the disparity between the two:
  1. There is one Apple Pay ... yet Google Payments because Google Play, and now we have Samsung Pay, Huawei Pay, and soon OnePlus Pay systems - its a bit ridiculous and as wild and confusing to the end consumer as why manufacturers haven't supported Android updates as fast for the previous year model like Apple has during initial release.
  2. Some 1 yr old models (even 6 mths old) doesn't get the latest Android OS from the manufacturer for upwards of 6mths! That's ridiculous.
  3. Apple iOS by comparison, every major or incremental update goes on phones the same day of launch up to 5yrs old with less than 5% of the latest features not hardware supported on the oldest phones that can run the updates!
  4. Moreover Apple users, and iOS users are known to pay more than $5 frequently on software for either platform even via the Mac App / iOS App Store ... since their paying for quality software, a seemingly long term guaranteed support by the developer(s)/development team(s), and that Apple will check the software, and updates being submitted before allowing them through, rejecting many! Development teams like Spotify like to kick and scream and run to the EU Union saying Apple doesn't play fair, yet they knowing chose to get that market of users grow immensely for years before complaining - but they're still wanting to play in that garden cause they KNOW the value of the users therein!
I'd be willing to wager, should Apple license iOS out to say 2 major competitors: Samsung & Asus/Sony/Razer ... with all core software/services offered ... that iOS users, the majority would stick with Apple. The reliability, trust of services/warranty, and social responsibility of the brand is core of why iOS users still and remain with Apple.

The Jobs era of Apple, first wave was stick it to the main withe the middle, while the second wave was I gave you all power I made you buck wild! The Cook era is cum-by-ya and wealth for investors, a real human person that leads by example.

Asus, Acer, Google, Huawei, Oppo, Razer, Samsung, Sony (Audio quality, Gaming), ... what's their core mantra that they show by their CEO's/COO's on a weekly?! Anything? There is no continuance of Brand reasoning for being, reason to be loyal vs the hardware offered, nor the reason to trust their brand beyond the product. There is no person connection other than being in a peer ownership group (being in the cliq).

damn sorry I went off on a diatribe there. I really wish Android had less confusion, better hardware support from Google and the hardware manufacturers and better synergies of hardware offered by each of them: Samsung, Sony and now Huawei is getting the bigger the last few short years, but just how many own a Galaxy phone connect to their Fridge/Washer/Dryer/AC unit aside from their TV and think they're living the ecosystem dream life?

For one year I switched to an S7, and I can tell you the number one issue with that Android device was that I could not tap the top of the screen and have the app scroll back up to the top. It didn't work in email, the browser or, any app.

That issue, which I dealt with daily, was the biggest reason I switched back to iOS.

I imagine will all have our own version of a scroll tap that we expect our device to have no matter what the OS is. These devices have matured to the point that people who only use android to make a point have likely become accustomed to some quirk that just is replicated in the iOS version.
 
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when you consider how many android manufacturers vs one iOS manufacturer. The number is staggering. When one manufacturer commands commands such a high percentage of the market. It means they dominate the market.

one company, with one OS should not be able to beat multiple manufacture running the same operating system. But here we are
Are we in some sort of weird time loop where no one actually reads any previous comments? Jeez....

Soo... here goes again. The amount of manufacturers is absolutely irrelevant, means squat!!! The original post said, and I quote " ios runs america," not apple, not iphone, but ios!!!
So when we learn that ios has 44%, and android had 56% , what can we learn from these Conclusions?
Stop changing the narrative. Stop inventing arguments to somehow make 44 a bigger number than 56!! It isnt!!!
Now let's not talk about this again!!!!
 
“Activations” is not the same as “Size of the Installed Base”

They are two very different things
 
Are we in some sort of weird time loop where no one actually reads any previous comments? Jeez....

Soo... here goes again. The amount of manufacturers is absolutely irrelevant, means squat!!! The original post said, and I quote " ios runs america," not apple, not iphone, but ios!!!
So when we learn that ios has 44%, and android had 56% , what can we learn from these Conclusions?
Stop changing the narrative. Stop inventing arguments to somehow make 44 a bigger number than 56!! It isnt!!!
Now let's not talk about this again!!!!
AMERICA RUNS ON APPLE TM
 
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Android phones don't need activation. Permission from the manufacturer is not needed. After you pay for the phone, you can do what you want with it.
And hence the sorry state of Android fragmentation and why IOS ecosystem is as good as it is. However, you do have to get "permission from google", else one might as well get an android flip-phone.
 
And hence the sorry state of Android fragmentation and why IOS ecosystem is as good as it is. However, you do have to get "permission from google", else one might as well get an android flip-phone.
That makes no sense, android "is fragmented" because there is no activation process?
 
That makes no sense, android "is fragmented" because there is no activation process?
Correct. No cohesion. No tying anything together. Unless you sign into google and then the different phones across manufacturers have some commonality. Makes perfect sense. Google is a bit of glue that ties different phones together, just like signing into Apple to apple (aka activation) is the glue that ties various IOS devices together.

Now read this, which actually contradicts your "facts".


One will miss the benefits of the ecosystem, but there is no "permission" needed to use an iphone without an apple id.
 
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Are we in some sort of weird time loop where no one actually reads any previous comments? Jeez....

Soo... here goes again. The amount of manufacturers is absolutely irrelevant, means squat!!! The original post said, and I quote " ios runs america," not apple, not iphone, but ios!!!
So when we learn that ios has 44%, and android had 56% , what can we learn from these Conclusions?
Stop changing the narrative. Stop inventing arguments to somehow make 44 a bigger number than 56!! It isnt!!!
Now let's not talk about this again!!!!

subject is still the same. one manufacturer using iOS has a 44% stake of the market. All others SHARE 56%. Usually when people look at market share any one company IN THAT MARKET having a greater share is dominating it.

if there were multiple companies running iOS then yes 56 is bigger than 44. But this is not the premise of this story.
 
subject is still the same. one manufacturer using iOS has a 44% stake of the market. All others SHARE 56%. Usually when people look at market share any one company IN THAT MARKET having a greater share is dominating it.

if there were multiple companies running iOS then yes 56 is bigger than 44. But this is not the premise of this story.
God this is painful, theres no story!!! Just one sentence, IOS is running america!!!! That's it, that's where this entire farcical thread was generated from!!!! Jeez!!!!

#androidisinfactrunningamerica56%
 
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