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Cool, poor Motorola, they are going to have a hard time.

In the tech world sometimes your ahead and sometimes your behind. I'm going to go out on a limb and say the Motorola Xtrix and Droid Bionic would probably crush the iPhone 4 in benchmarks so Apple isn't number 1 in everything. With that said I really like my iPad 2 other then the horrible camera quality. Honestly I had a 1.3 MP Kodak back in 2002 that took a heck of a lot better pictures then the iPad 2 will. Video quality is mediocre at best.
 
In the tech world sometimes your ahead and sometimes your behind. I'm going to go out on a limb and say the Motorola Xtrix and Droid Bionic would probably crush the iPhone 4 in benchmarks so Apple isn't number 1 in everything. With that said I really like my iPad 2 other then the horrible camera quality. Honestly I had a 1.3 MP Kodak back in 2002 that took a heck of a lot better pictures then the iPad 2 will. Video quality is mediocre at best.


Its over Johnny
 
In the tech world sometimes your ahead and sometimes your behind. I'm going to go out on a limb and say the Motorola Xtrix and Droid Bionic would probably crush the iPhone 4 in benchmarks so Apple isn't number 1 in everything. With that said I really like my iPad 2 other then the horrible camera quality. Honestly I had a 1.3 MP Kodak back in 2002 that took a heck of a lot better pictures then the iPad 2 will. Video quality is mediocre at best.
The biggest problem for Apple's competitors will be pricing. Apple's dominance is letting them secure the lion's share of premium quality components.

Apple's competitors are left duking it out for the remnants, basically on the spot market. By paying higher prices for components, they are reducing margins to stay competitive. Again, Apple walks away with the lion's share of the industry profits. Apple (and its shareholders) eat cake while the rest bicker over a few crumbs.

Hell, even Samsung's own engineers can't put together a device that works as well as one of their component customers. Samsung is relegated to gritting their teeth, cashing checks from Apple, and wincing at smaller margins.

You weren't shooting 720p HD video in 2002, nor were you uploading pics/vids to Flickr/YouTube/Facebook/Twitter from your Kodak camera in 2002. It's not just about image resolution. Whatever digital imaging technical prowess that Kodak exhibited in 2002 (per your description) has not translated into industry dominance in 2011.
 
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are you kidding me? ive been using the hell out of my netbook for quite some time, its the best $300 ultra portable machine ive bought in a while, i even upgraded the thing to a 120GB SSD and now its blazing fast, ive watched 2 movies back to back on it through HDMI on BATTERY!. ive taken the thing everywhere and even "recovered" a wep key along the way. saying its not good just sounds like your completely ignorant

you and you alone my friend....and you alone are the ONLY one I've heard that owns himself a 72" LCD:rolleyes:

I shoot and have shot video for a living for almost 25 years now...no one I've met can distinguish an excellent 720p from 1080p capture on ANY commercially available under 60" set, period. Not talking broadcast, but source captured motion. that's utter BS. As for net books, again dude...you are completely and totally isolated on an island far out in the middle of the Pacific.
There is a 30 dollar adaptor that allows standard USB (not micro) and SD card compatibility with the iPad. And who needs HDMI when we've got AirPlay!
 
What's with the 24 negatives? Must be from sour grapers or people who just plunked down $800 for an inferior Xoom.
 
To everyone saying screen resolution doesn't matter and the Xoom went to unnecessary lengths to out-do the iPad 2; what will you say next year with the release of iPad 3 and it's rumored retina display? I suspect you'll change your tune and regard the new screen and cpu and gpu as being exactly what consumers want (this is what most of you were doing when you thought iPad 2 would have a better screen).

Just playing devils advocate. From everything I've read, the new iPad looks like another extremely well designed device. :apple:
 
I don't think it was gimmicky. Given the choice, and everything else being equal, I'd rather have 30% more resolution than a 30% faster framerate: I spend most of my time reading webpages, etc., and very little time playing 3d games. If the iP4 hadn't gone with the retina screen, it would have had a screaming framerate...but obviously the screen was more important.

Now obviously, everything else *isn't* equal, including that the framerate increase is a lot more than 30%. And that the xoom seems to be more of a beta device. But I don't think it's gimmicky to opt for resolution at the expense of framerate.

The Android world has never met a resolution that it didn't like, and at this stage of hardware development, there will be UI vs performance tradeoffs for developers and users as the various Android manufacturers migrate to higher resolutions.

Apple on the other hand, is rumored to be cultivating a resolution doubling philosophy for the next iteration of the iPad, as it has with the iPhone 4G, easing the UI issues with a few retina standards matched with appropriate hardware. Based on developer feedback for the iPhone 4G, I would assume that Apple has made a prudent choice with the Retina display resolution.

I would as well argue that the cameras included within the iPad 2 match the intent of Facetime, providing I expect a similar 720p/VGA experience as the iPod Touch. I haven't any crystal ball as to what iPad 3 will include for cameras, but I for one would be happy to trade off a future resolution increase for higher ISO and lower noise. YMMV
 
That has nothing to do with the Android, and everything to do with the fact that just about every large corporation uses Blackberry, and thus BBM. CEOs and VPs have a deathgrip on their Blackberrys, and many BBM as their sole means of contact

If he wants to talk to other important folks, BBM is how he's doing it

Maybe so, but when his company is also producing a prominent mobile phone OS, you'd think he'd quit using the competitors product.
 
Maybe so, but when his company is also producing a prominent mobile phone OS, you'd think he'd quit using the competitors product.

Yeah, just like Apple is running all those data centers on OS X Server instead of AIX/Solaris/Linux. Corporations really should stick to eating their own dogfood. :D

(Is the sarcasm thick enough so I don't get people replying that they aren't using OS X Server in favor of real big-iron Unix and Linux ?)
 
You weren't shooting 720p HD video in 2002, nor were you uploading pics/vids to Flickr/YouTube/Facebook/Twitter from your Kodak camera in 2002. It's not just about image resolution. Whatever digital imaging technical prowess that Kodak exhibited in 2002 (per your description) has not translated into industry dominance in 2011.

You can try to say all of that to try and make people think that the iPad has great cameras, but it doesn't. I only mentioned it was a Kodak because I consider Kodak to be a lower end consumer digital camera and when I go back and look at pictures it took compared to pictures my iPad took there is no comparison. Your right it's not about image resolution and that is why I was comparing it to my old 2002 vintage Kodak. Now I have nicer cameras, but I still have a cheap Kodak 14 MP that shoots video in 720p just for something I can throw into my pocket and it kills the iPad in image and video quality.

I have said I like my new iPad, but I don't think the cameras are of good quality. I know it is very risky to say anything negative about an Apple product around here and I would be better off just saying it is perfect and the cameras are amazing (but they are far from it). I also get tired when everyone says resolution does not matter, because it does. Now I don't mean 14 MP on a small sensor like my little Kodak because that does not really help, but the back camera doesn't even have the same resolution as the LCD display on the device! In those cases, yes resolution does matter. An 8 MP sensor will take better pictures then a 1 MP sensor. From what I have read the iPads camera has less resolution then it's display and that is poor engineering if it is true.

I love my iPad. I just get tired of people that think Apple is perfect and everything they build is "magical" and has no faults.
 
The NGP is announced as having the same GPU in a quad core version (iPad 2 uses the SGX543MP2, NGP is going to use the SGX543MP4) so it's probably going to be quite even unless you have enough parallelism in your graphics code to take advantage of those extra cores.
Graphics processing is inherently parallel, performance scales very well (i.e. 95+%) with the increased number of pipelines.

You really think watching movies in 1080 vs 760 resolution on that sized screen will be significantly different?
Yet alhedges did not mention watching movies but reading webpages, an activity where higher resolution makes a huge difference.

both tablets being $600-$700 are still total crap for what you get, the ipad 2 and xoom (and any other teg2 tablet) is still beaten by a netbook in terms of graphical and processing performance (look up Sony Y series with the E350 Zacate CPU, it will blow any tablet out of the water for $200 less)
Which is entirely irrelevant for customers looking for a tablet (i.e. a handheld touchscreen device).
 
Yet alhedges did not mention watching movies but reading webpages, an activity where higher resolution makes a huge difference.

And yet my point is still valid. We are not talking about 1080 vs. 480 or less. The difference in resolution is not that large.

Do you really think reading the text on these two will be significantly different?
 
You can try to say all of that to try and make people think that the iPad has great cameras, but it doesn't. I only mentioned it was a Kodak because I consider Kodak to be a lower end consumer digital camera and when I go back and look at pictures it took compared to pictures my iPad took there is no comparison. Your right it's not about image resolution and that is why I was comparing it to my old 2002 vintage Kodak. Now I have nicer cameras, but I still have a cheap Kodak 14 MP that shoots video in 720p just for something I can throw into my pocket and it kills the iPad in image and video quality.

I have said I like my new iPad, but I don't think the cameras are of good quality. I know it is very risky to say anything negative about an Apple product around here and I would be better off just saying it is perfect and the cameras are amazing (but they are far from it). I also get tired when everyone says resolution does not matter, because it does. Now I don't mean 14 MP on a small sensor like my little Kodak because that does not really help, but the back camera doesn't even have the same resolution as the LCD display on the device! In those cases, yes resolution does matter. An 8 MP sensor will take better pictures then a 1 MP sensor. From what I have read the iPads camera has less resolution then it's display and that is poor engineering if it is true.

I love my iPad. I just get tired of people that think Apple is perfect and everything they build is "magical" and has no faults.


Sounds like you should spend you £500 on a camera and not an iPad.
 
That's only because you make it feel outdated. I only got my iPad a few weeks ago, but it doesn't feel outdated, as it still does everything as easily and quickly as it did a few months ago, just because a new one is released doesn't mean it's bad hardware, just not as good as a new one, but it does everything I want at a great speed, so that doesn't matter.

I got mine a couple of weeks ago and it is awesome. It still plays movies, games and I can stream netflix over it. The interface is so easy to learn my 3 year old has figured out how to load the netflix app and put Dora the Explorer on. It is awesome and I love mine.
 
If picture resolution doesn't matter why does my 1080i/p TV look so much better then a 480i/p one does? Resolution does not matter. Right?

How big are the pixels? How close are you?

I use 480p with a projector to shine TV on the side of my house. If I get 10ft away its horrible. But from the pool it looks great.

And these two devices do not differ as significantly as 1080 vs 480.
 
If picture resolution doesn't matter why does my 1080i/p TV look so much better then a 480i/p one does? Resolution does not matter. Right?

Oh dear.

I'm not getting involved in this argument between 1MP and 8MP, but I had to jump in when you made that analogy.

There is a gulf of difference between capturing light and representing it as numbers and taking numbers and converting them to light.

A CCD and a TV involve very different technologies and there are very different factors which make up a good example of either type.

For a start, consider comparing a 480i/p display that is 20inches and a 1080i/p display that is 50inches. Comparing pure resolution alone in this case isn't going to get you anywhere
 
Oh dear.

I'm not getting involved in this argument between 1MP and 8MP, but I had to jump in when you made that analogy.

There is a gulf of difference between capturing light and representing it as numbers and taking numbers and converting them to light.

A CCD and a TV involve very different technologies and there are very different factors which make up a good example of either type.

For a start, consider comparing a 480i/p display that is 20inches and a 1080i/p display that is 50inches. Comparing pure resolution alone in this case isn't going to get you anywhere

But shouldn't the iPad camera at least be the resolution of the display??? I know that the right answer around here is "The iPad camera is amazing... and less MP make a better camera!" but sorry I don't feel that way. I have no other complaints about it, I just feel the camera shoots pretty low res. noisy pictures. Sorry I made a complaint.
 
But shouldn't the iPad camera at least be the resolution of the display??? I know that the right answer around here is "The iPad camera is amazing... and less MP make a better camera!" but sorry I don't feel that way. I have no other complaints about it, I just feel the camera shoots pretty low res. noisy pictures. Sorry I made a complaint.

Of course it should do - as I said, I wasn't getting involved with that argument. I don't think anyone here is claiming the camera is amazing, I think they're mostly trying to ward off the tablet camera megapixel wars which seem to be starting.

It should have a sufficient quality sensor to match the FaceTime cameras going into the Macs now to provide HD video calls. As for the quality of its stills shots, I have no interest in Apple spending more money to fit an iPhone 4 quality camera in there (most likely making other compromises to other components for space/financial reasons).

I have 2 other cameras (a digital camera and an iPhone 4) which I would much rather get out to snap a photo.

If FaceTime calls on an iPad 2 look bad because of the camera, then it should definitely be improved. Once they've achieved that, I can't see any benefit to a better quality camera
 
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