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You know, all the screen problems, etc and now they have to come up with this half baked benchmark to show how good a crappy product is, wew!

Get a grip, the iPad has seen its day, time to move on.

Who wants a third peice of electronic junk to carry around anyway?

Not I.

myGoldens has a bet with his-own-self to see how many quotes he gets for such a lame post. Ok, one more "quote cite" from me.
 
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Way to quote Wikipedia.

The information is correct, I just used wiki since it is more concise. However, sure, let's quote the company in question - Imagination.

Imagination said:
Our multimedia and communications semiconductor Intellectual Property (IP) cores are at the heart of today's most innovative and exciting consumer electronics products. Licensed by leading semiconductor manufacturers for use in highly complex System-on-Chip (SoC) devices, our IP makes the world more connected, engaging and exciting than ever before.

I have underlined the relevant information for you. This company licenses technology, such as the GPU used in the iPad 2. Other companies that make tablets will do what Apple did, pay them to use their IP and make GPU's with the same or greater ability in the coming months.

Oh, and here is my source for the quote of course. Check if you like.

http://www.imgtec.com/index.asp
 
The GTX 460 should make it obvious.

iTunes and Office are not that demanding either.

OK, you're a gamer.... that makes the PC a better option. I never cared much about playing games on a computer. Prefer a console for that "job".
 
Well honestly the first Android prototypes were designed on an HTC phone, and it actually looked much like a modern day blackberry.

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Of course The iPhone, and the fact that Eric Schmidt was on Apples board of directors had a lot to do with the way Android turned out.

P.S. What's also funny, is even when Android began to mature, Eric Schmidt could still be spotted using a BlackBerry.

I believe that very Android prototype ended up as (or already was) a Windows Mobile phone.
 
So basically, PowerVR beat out nVidia (who thought we'd see the day...).

The ipad 2 beat out the zoom by a large margin.

You can't even say it can you?

The Xoom is a Tegra 2 based SoC, so it uses nVidia's GPU and the A5 uses the PowerVR SGX543MP2.

You guys saying this is a iOS win over Android do realise that PowerVR does not have an exclusive with Apple here right ? :rolleyes:

Looks like Motorola will be rethinking their design then. Should be ready by ipad 3 or 4 right?
 
OK, you're a gamer.... that makes the PC a better option. I never cared much about playing games on a computer. Prefer a console for that "job".
Consoles are regrettably quite dead for me. Smash Bros. at New Years is the most console gaming that I do anymore. No one in my peer group owns a Xbox 360 anymore. It would be a rather futile expenditure.

My MacBook's uses beyond the fact that it is portable are drying up. It really calls into question what I am going to replace it with.
 
The ipad 2 beat out the zoom by a large margin.

What's a zoom ?

You can't even say it can you?

I can't say what ? Yes, the iPad 2's Power VR GPU beat out the Motorola's Xoom nVidia GPU in a GPU benchmark, what's your point, no one is blind and we can all read the graph fine here.

How does that relate to iOS vs Android I don't know, but it did somehow for someone people in this thread. This is really disapointing as far as the Tegra 2 platform is concerned. nVidia really hyped it up and it seemingly fell flat on its face here. It's a good thing Apple went with the PowerVR stuff in their own SoC.
 
Consoles are regrettably quite dead for me. Smash Bros. at New Years is the most console gaming that I do anymore. No one in my peer group owns a Xbox 360 anymore. It would be a rather futile expenditure.

My MacBook's uses beyond the fact that it is portable are drying up. It really calls into question what I am going to replace it with.

I bought the PS3 because it was the first "affordable" WiFi blu-ray player. The games were a plus, but not the main reason for the purchase. One of the better products I've bought though. I use it for streaming Netflix movies now as well. A great all-round entertainment unit.
 
I bought the PS3 because it was the first "affordable" WiFi blu-ray player. The games were a plus, but not the main reason for the purchase. One of the better products I've bought though. I use it for streaming Netflix movies now as well. A great all-round entertainment unit.
I am still quite fond of using the library for my media. I abhor paying for it.

Though I am tempted by iPlayer once it is available stateside.
 
What's a zoom ?


That's what most people say when you mention the xoom.



I can't say what ? Yes, the iPad 2's Power VR GPU beat out the Motorola's Xoom nVidia GPU in a GPU benchmark, what's your point, no one is blind and we can all read the graph fine here.


LOL

you can't say it without qualifiers. Nor can you provide data that shows the OS plays no role in this. Supposedly the hardware in the xoom was expected to be better than that in the ipad. Why is the xoom performing only a little better than ipad 1? Is it the OS on the ipad 1? Or is it that the hardware in the xoom is that bad?

The truth is that I prefer the iOS over the alternatives. If this test had come back differently I would have acknowledged the greater speed of the xoom but it wouldn't affect my decision. The overall experiences what matters. Unless we are talking about a significant speed difference, it matters little to me. I find it funny though that people who hang their hat on this issue can't give an honest nod to Apple in this category.
 
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I am still quite fond of using the library for my media. I abhor paying for it.

Though I am tempted by iPlayer once it is available stateside.

I have a PS3 for blu ray and netflix. I do not own any games for it. I have the Apple TV on the same television as the PS3 but I've found the Apple TV stalls out when the feed quality changes. PS3 usually adjusts on the fly but not always. So i've opted to use the PS3 more often for netflix and the Apple TV for streaming from itunes. I like the Aple TV netflix software better but if the stream starts to hiccup I give up. The recent update to Apple TV helped but its still not quite as good as on the PS3 for netflix.
 
Funny when I showed this to my "fandroid friend".

His first response was "yeah but yeah but yeah but......iOS isn't open." :rolleyes:

It was almost as if he just inhaled some helium which made it all the more funny. :D

:apple:
 
I also love how according to GLBenchmark of phones, the Tegra comes out on top, and by top, I mean 5-6x ahead of the last gen iPad/iPhone 4. But yet, this benchmark just done, the Xoom only comes out to about double as powerful as the previous iPad. You can take into consideration the resolution difference in the graph below, but it still strikes that this test does not show any true color of what the Xoom is capable of. I have a feeling that all-in-all, GLBenchmark is no where close to being optimized for Honeycomb as of yet, and I expect to see some new tests done when it is configured for it.

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I wonder how much an affect the resolution has? I did a calculation showing the speed comparison if the ipad were to use the resolution of the xoom. The ipad 2 still has a greater refresh rate by a large factor. But I assume a linear relation between refresh rate and screen area. But perhaps it is not linear?

What if Apple knows going to 1080 is a significant decrease in performance and decides the benefits of greater resolution are not worth the cost in performance? If this is the case, and it may not be, I wouldn't be surprised if the competition were to opt for the resolution simply to have a selling point of greater resolution.

I've noticed the competition seems to gravitate to specs as selling points. Arguing the availability of flash for instance just to compare to the ipad.
 
The information is correct, I just used wiki since it is more concise. However, sure, let's quote the company in question - Imagination.



I have underlined the relevant information for you. This company licenses technology, such as the GPU used in the iPad 2. Other companies that make tablets will do what Apple did, pay them to use their IP and make GPU's with the same or greater ability in the coming months.

Oh, and here is my source for the quote of course. Check if you like.

http://www.imgtec.com/index.asp

It may or may not play out as you say. We don't know the details of Apple's agreement with them. Exclusive licenses for a specific use or for a specific time period are written all the time.
 
P.S. What's also funny, is even when Android began to mature, Eric Schmidt could still be spotted using a BlackBerry.

That has nothing to do with the Android, and everything to do with the fact that just about every large corporation uses Blackberry, and thus BBM. CEOs and VPs have a deathgrip on their Blackberrys, and many BBM as their sole means of contact

If he wants to talk to other important folks, BBM is how he's doing it
 
That has nothing to do with the Android, and everything to do with the fact that just about every large corporation uses Blackberry, and thus BBM. CEOs and VPs have a deathgrip on their Blackberrys, and many BBM as their sole means of contact

If he wants to talk to other important folks, BBM is how he's doing it

Steve Jobs uses a Blackberry?
 
I also love how according to GLBenchmark of phones, the Tegra comes out on top, and by top, I mean 5-6x ahead of the last gen iPad/iPhone 4. But yet, this benchmark just done, the Xoom only comes out to about double as powerful as the previous iPad. You can take into consideration the resolution difference in the graph below, but it still strikes that this test does not show any true color of what the Xoom is capable of. I have a feeling that all-in-all, GLBenchmark is no where close to being optimized for Honeycomb as of yet, and I expect to see some new tests done when it is configured for it.

The LG OPtimus 2X is the handset version of the Xoom's underlying hardware i.e. a Dual-core 1GHz ARM Cortex-A9 Tegra2. The problem with the comparison is the Optimus is only running an 800x480 screen which is only 384k pixels. The iPhone4 is pushing 600K+ and the iPad is pushing over double at 786k. Sure the Xoom has even more than that but all this Optimus tells us is the Tegra2 at under 1/2 the res of the iPad 2 is still about 2x's slower. Also the GPU in the iPad2 is much newer than even the Tegra2 so you could claim there is more optimization left for the iPad2 as well, iOS5 is probably just around the corner.
 
I find it funny though that people who hang their hat on this issue can't give an honest nod to Apple in this category.

But I did, Apple chose wisely when they chose the Power VR GPU. Of course, some people are making Apple's role larger than it is really in this. This is mostly a PowerVR vs nVidia benchmark.
 
No one really wants an Android powered tablet. An Android tablet is only a pointy stick to beat Apple with. Everyone (who until today) cheered the Xoom on had no intention of buying one in the first place.

Android tablets will be as successful as the competition was for the iPod touch. I've never seen a Zune other than on the front page of Engadget a few years ago.
 
No one really wants an Android powered tablet. An Android tablet is only a pointy stick to beat Apple with. Everyone (who until today) cheered the Xoom on had no intention of buying one in the first place.

Android tablets will be as successful as the competition was for the iPod touch. I've never seen a Zune other than on the front page of Engadget a few years ago.

That's nothing. Try finding a Kin........ I dare you. ;)
 
I wonder how much an affect the resolution has? I did a calculation showing the speed comparison if the ipad were to use the resolution of the xoom. The ipad 2 still has a greater refresh rate by a large factor. But I assume a linear relation between refresh rate and screen area. But perhaps it is not linear?

What if Apple knows going to 1080 is a significant decrease in performance and decides the benefits of greater resolution are not worth the cost in performance? If this is the case, and it may not be, I wouldn't be surprised if the competition were to opt for the resolution simply to have a selling point of greater resolution.

I've noticed the competition seems to gravitate to specs as selling points. Arguing the availability of flash for instance just to compare to the ipad.

It is not linear, but it is even better than that. If you increase the resolution by 20% it does not take 20% more processing power to run it... It takes significantly less than that. So the difference in resolution does not come close to making up for the massive difference in performance.

As for the chip costing more than the tegra, the best part is the device that uses is cheaper than the available tegra device. Thank you Apple for eating the cost of the more expensive hardware!
 
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