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I agree.

Tho I really wonder who is using Facetime? I know everyone talks about it like it's the greatest thing since sliced bread, but it's like the webcam on my mac, yeah it's nice to have when I call my mom across the country, but it's something I'd use about 0.01% of the time, and if I were going to use it, it's more likely I'd tell my mom to get on the computer and skype me on my computer to have full screen HD video chat...

I use FaceTime every other night to speak with my daughter.
 
This makes me sad. :mad:

Nothing to be sad about, Apple have a lot talented (as talented as these Hackers) engineers testing and researching the firmware, at some point they will find same holes and exploits as the hackers, that is their job, other time they won't. It is the nature of the development cycle.
 
I don't have any problems waiting.

I would rather have a stable jb and wait then to have a buggy jb.

That being said Im starting to really notice that I dont have a jb. I miss all the features
 
Sorry to say Bella apple could really care less if you switched

Apple might not care individually from person to person, but they care that Android (and now Windows Phone 7) is stealing market share away from them. This is a fact, look at the figures.

If we didn't have wonderful hackers to JB these things for us and make them usable, it would be even worse.
 
Apple might not care individually from person to person, but they care that Android (and now Windows Phone 7) is stealing market share away from them. This is a fact, look at the figures.

If we didn't have wonderful hackers to JB these things for us and make them usable, it would be even worse.

Yep. I agree. And if you've used Android lately on a phone, you'd say iPhone what?!?! Apple still has the more solid tablet but Android OS will have that market by summertime as well.

Don't bother flaming, it's well documented in the sales figures that Android has taken the #1 spot in the Phone OS model... my only point is Apple is at a critical turning point in their history. They can give customers what they want, or restrict. Customers don't like to be restricted, and like me, seek alternatives when cornered.
 
Yep. I agree. And if you've used Android lately on a phone, you'd say iPhone what?!?! Apple still has the more solid tablet but Android OS will have that market by summertime as well.

Don't bother flaming, it's well documented in the sales figures that Android has taken the #1 spot in the Phone OS model... my only point is Apple is at a critical turning point in their history. They can give customers what they want, or restrict. Customers don't like to be restricted, and like me, seek alternatives when cornered.

Could be wrong but apple have the iPhone, iPod, iPad vs android os which is in basically every new manufacture phone, motorola, htc, samsung, lg, etc... each having at least 5 phones with the os....only thing those number proves is that there's a Lot of android os out there............and most people use them because of the price...doesnt tmobile have some free android phones they give out when you sign up with a new contract....? In conclusion everybody and their mothers put android os in their newly made phones/tablet vs apples few iOS line.....
 
Could be wrong but apple have the iPhone, iPod, iPad vs android os which is in basically every new manufacture phone, motorola, htc, samsung, lg, etc... each having at least 5 phones with the os....only thing those number proves is that there's a Lot of android os out there............and most people use them because of the price...doesnt tmobile have some free android phones they give out when you sign up with a new contract....? In conclusion everybody and their mothers put android os in their newly made phones/tablet vs apples few iOS line.....

Huh? They're successful because there's so many of them? That's the strangest argument... Toyota sells more cars than any other manufacturer because they have more cars and more customers to buy them? The only thing that comes to mind is "DUHHH!" lol... the reason all the manufacturers are coming out with Android phones is because people are loving them, and it's the "latest and greatest" and has staying power. It's THE OS going forward, even if iPhone and iOS come out with a new phone in their one-a-year game, it's too late to stop Android's dominance of the market.

Price? Have you even shopped the market lately? Android phones are the exact same price specs to specs as i Phone. To buy a motorola Atrix, Evo 4G, or Inspire 4G, the latest "comparable" (used loosely because you can do a lot more on them) phones to a 16GB iPhone you're looking at $150-250 with a contract, just like iPhone.

Sure, you can get phones with less features for cheaper (not sure about free, maybe)... and can buy them on prepaid, etc.... but that's because the OS is an open OS, so it's not "you have one option, take or leave it" ... they actually give customers a choice, like what would have saved Apple from losing their grip on the #1 spot years ago.

Android really has given users what they asked Apple for for years in a phone, and it paid off. Now they're looking to give tablet users CHOICE and features, something Apple still is uninterested in, so the game will play out the same. I love Apple (long time iMac\MacBook Air\iPad user)... but I won't sit around and be a fanboy like the people on here, while there are cool options that don't require me to use a half-ass device while awaiting jailbreak.
 
Yep. I agree. And if you've used Android lately on a phone, you'd say iPhone what?!?! Apple still has the more solid tablet but Android OS will have that market by summertime as well.

Don't bother flaming, it's well documented in the sales figures that Android has taken the #1 spot in the Phone OS model... my only point is Apple is at a critical turning point in their history. They can give customers what they want, or restrict. Customers don't like to be restricted, and like me, seek alternatives when cornered.
What you fail to realise is that Apple are giving their customers what they want. Apple customers do like to be restricted, that's why they are Apple customers and that's why they buy Apple products.
 
Yep. I agree. And if you've used Android lately on a phone, you'd say iPhone what?!?! Apple still has the more solid tablet but Android OS will have that market by summertime as well.

Don't bother flaming, it's well documented in the sales figures that Android has taken the #1 spot in the Phone OS model... my only point is Apple is at a critical turning point in their history. They can give customers what they want, or restrict. Customers don't like to be restricted, and like me, seek alternatives when cornered.

no argument here - but i hate the fact android manufacturers are restricting their phones with encrypted bootloaders etc (motorola, and now htc) which definitely affects being able to flash your device with whatever. not to mention with att's android devices you have to root them to even be able to install the amazon market due to even more restrictions. also waiting forever for the latest android update to go from google -> manufacturer -> mobile provider -> customer... with each putting their own crapware on it

if i ever make the switch, it will hopefully be to a google released and supported phone on at&t. i know the nexus s is a samsung device, but at least it receives pushed google updates.

but i feel you, i get frustrated with all of this too. if it wasnt for jbing, i would have ditched the phone long ago.
 
What you fail to realise is that Apple are giving their customers what they want. Apple customers do like to be restricted, that's why they are Apple customers and that's why they buy Apple products.

Right, that's why Android has taken over the #1 spot in the mobile space, and why there are threads with thousands of people asking daily for jailbreak updates? lol
 
no argument here - but i hate the fact android manufacturers are restricting their phones with encrypted bootloaders etc (motorola, and now htc) which definitely affects being able to flash your device with whatever. not to mention with att's android devices you have to root them to even be able to install the amazon market due to even more restrictions. also waiting forever for the latest android update to go from google -> manufacturer -> mobile provider -> customer... with each putting their own crapware on it

if i ever make the switch, it will hopefully be to a google released and supported phone on at&t. i know the nexus s is a samsung device, but at least it receives pushed google updates.

but i feel you, i get frustrated with all of this too. if it wasnt for jbing, i would have ditched the phone long ago.

Yeh, some manufacturers are making it harder to Root, but Root DOESN'T equal Jailbreak. The Android os (speaking on 2.3) has built in hotspot, built in widgets, built in moving backgrounds, built in customizable screens, built in facebook, built in lock screen custimization, built in keyboards, systemwide voice activation, etc. There are things that people want to jailbreak for, and in Android OS you don't have to ROOT to do any of that.
 
Right, that's why Android has taken over the #1 spot in the mobile space
Irrelevant. Just because Android is the lowest common denominator doesn't make it better. Nor does it mean that Apple aren't going to carry on making huge profits. Consider the case of OSX/Windows if you need help understanding this.

and why there are threads with thousands of people asking daily for jailbreak updates? lol
So there are thousands of people who stupidly didn't do their research and bought the wrong product. Compare that to the millions of satisfied customers who don't spend all day whining on the internet.
 
Irrelevant. Just because Android is the lowest common denominator doesn't make it better. Nor does it mean that Apple aren't going to carry on making huge profits. Consider the case of OSX/Windows if you need help understanding this.


So there are thousands of people who stupidly didn't do their research and bought the wrong product. Compare that to the millions of satisfied customers who don't spend all day whining on the internet.

That's a fanboy in denial. Believe me, I'm an Apple fanboy, but I'm not going to support their mobile phone OS anymore, which alienates MY wishes as a customer. You can do as you please.

Comparing to windows? A product with 25 years of success being #1 compared to an OS that rose to and then fell from the #1 spot over 3 years? That doesn't even make sense. If you want to make a level comparison, compare windows to OSX, but then that'd go against your point as well.
 
Yeh, some manufacturers are making it harder to Root, but Root DOESN'T equal Jailbreak. The Android os (speaking on 2.3) has built in hotspot, built in widgets, built in moving backgrounds, built in customizable screens, built in facebook, built in lock screen custimization, built in keyboards, systemwide voice activation, etc. There are things that people want to jailbreak for, and in Android OS you don't have to ROOT to do any of that.

yeah, i totally understand what you're saying. android definitely does a lot more straight out of the box than the iphone does. but i guess for me, if i had an android device i'd really like to be able to flash some really cool builds and kernels a lot of the guys at xda-dev release (like we all used to do in the old winmo days) that way i don't have to worry when the manufacturer quits releasing updates after ~6 months and i get stuck on an old os. i just hate the fact those manufacturers are trying to prevent that type of community from doing their thing. i don't think its what google wanted android to be about.
 
yeah, i totally understand what you're saying. android definitely does a lot more straight out of the box than the iphone does. but i guess for me, if i had an android device i'd really like to be able to flash some really cool builds and kernels a lot of the guys at xda-dev release (like we all used to do on the old winmo days) that way i don't have to worry when the manufacturer quits releasing updates after ~6 months and i get stuck on an old os. i just hate the fact those manufacturers are trying to prevent that type of community from doing their thing.

Well that's kinda hypocritical posting in an Apple forum. Apple tries 100x harder to prevent users from jailbreaking than Android\Manufacturers do try to prevent rooting\modding.

Either way, I like current technology, so I don't worry about updates after 6 months. I replace my computers every 6 months, and my phones as well. This was one of the reasons I defected from Apple's phones, got tired of waiting for a one-a-year product cycle for a phone that wasn't even the latest and greatest technology.
 
Well that's kinda hypocritical posting in an Apple forum. Apple tries 100x harder to prevent users from jailbreaking than Android\Manufacturers do try to prevent rooting\modding.

i agree they do seem to try harder. i dont think of it as me being hypocritical ( or maybe it is? :) ). i just hold android to a higher standard... it's supposed to be about openness... that's what i feel google intended. if i'm going to get one (which i probably will eventually) i want to be able to do what i want with it without the manufacturer/provider on my back
 
i agree they do seem to try harder. i dont think of it as me being hypocritical. i just hold android to a higher standard... it's supposed to be about openness... that's what i feel google intended. if i'm going to get one (which i probably will eventually) i want to be able to do what i want with it without the manufacturer/provider on my back

Yeah, openness in the sense that if you open a store you allow anyone to sell whatever they want, be it kids toys, porn, chicken on a stick, or 1980s style leotards.... but open doesn't mean you let people tear out a wall and expand your store's building into the parking lot.

Android allows you to create and distribute apps that will mod just about every aspect of the OS. If you attempt to build an app that makes the iPhone keyboard black, you'll be shut down quicker than a hooker in an elementary school. Not the case with Android, because it's "open" :)

The debate will never end on this subject, but numbers are what speak.... and right now the momentum in the mobile phone AND tablet space is 100% in Android's court in both categories.
 
Either way, I like current technology, so I don't worry about updates after 6 months. I replace my computers every 6 months, and my phones as well. This was one of the reasons I defected from Apple's phones, got tired of waiting for a one-a-year product cycle for a phone that wasn't even the latest and greatest technology.

wow, that explains your attitude then. Apple has never been interested in catering to technology fetishists like you, and never will be. why don't you go post constructive comments on Android forums instead of negative ones on Apple forums?
 
wow, that explains your attitude then. Apple has never been interested in catering to technology fetishists like you, and never will be. why don't you go post constructive comments on Android forums instead of negative ones on Apple forums?

I'm fairly confident that anyone who owns an Apple product would disagree with you. Most would say they WANT the latest and greatest technology, but Apple doesn't make it available.

Don't be bitter.
 
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