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The ipad2 launch was an incredible success for apple, and incredibly frustrating for many consumers.

People throw the word "entitlement" around in this forum more than my late grandparents ever did, which is really saying something. Frankly, it's a pretty awkward use of the term. I don't consider people frustrated by the disorganized insanity surrounding this launch to be "entitled" any more than I consider those who waited in line and purchased an ipad 2 to be "deserving." Either is a strange way to view the purchase of a consumer good, no matter how exciting that product may be.

I sat out launch day. That has proven to be a major mistake on my part, but it hardly invalidates the following:

1) Apple products don't fall from the sky and onto the shelves at the apple store. Somebody is making decisions about where and when to ship ipads as they become available, and those people know exactly when they are arriving. There is nothing even slightly cryptic about the whereabouts of thousands of dollars in product within the distribution chain.

The decision to keep retail employees in the dark about this information is beyond stupid. There is nothing even remotely entitled about being angry that the line of fifty people at your neighborhood apple store was for nothing, because no actual product arrived that morning.

2) Selling out before everybody is served is the nature of any highly desired product. However, there is nothing cryptic about the number ipads currently available at a store at a given time. If there are 150 people in line and you have 20 ipads to sell, you might think about saving people some time.

3) Apple store employees, if you don't like answering endless questions about ipad 2 availability, consider looking for another job, or at least passing this along to your superiors' superiors:

"Our refusal to utilize any of the limitless technology afforded us to communicate to consumers about ipad 2 availability is going to result in endless phone calls from people asking the exact same thing over and over again. We don't use twitter, we don't publicize store inventory online, we don't make any statements about pending deliveries, we don't do anything except act annoyed when people call around the clock asking about ipads."

Added to that, mysterious answers to straightforward questions don't go over well. It might be corporate policy to say things like, "we may or may not be able to meet the ipad demands of the line of people around the block," but you should expect very little courtesy from people in return.

Maybe I'm just getting old, but I find the whole thing pretty obnoxious (in case you couldn't tell.)
 
couldn't agree more with the op and all his points. Not only that but apple is making this worse by still expecting customer to line up like lemmings on the hope they will get one. It smacks of arrogance and disregard for the customer. They are very lucky none of their android competitors are worth a damn.

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The ipad2 launch was an incredible success for apple, and incredibly frustrating for many consumers.

People throw the word "entitlement" around in this forum more than my late grandparents ever did, which is really saying something. Frankly, it's a pretty awkward use of the term. I don't consider people frustrated by the disorganized insanity surrounding this launch to be "entitled" any more than I consider those who waited in line and purchased an ipad 2 to be "deserving." Either is a strange way to view the purchase of a consumer good, no matter how exciting that product may be.

I sat out launch day. That has proven to be a major mistake on my part, but it hardly invalidates the following:

1) Apple products don't fall from the sky and onto the shelves at the apple store. Somebody is making decisions about where and when to ship ipads as they become available, and those people know exactly when they are arriving. There is nothing even slightly cryptic about the whereabouts of thousands of dollars in product within the distribution chain.

The decision to keep retail employees in the dark about this information is beyond stupid. There is nothing even remotely entitled about being angry that the line of fifty people at your neighborhood apple store was for nothing, because no actual product arrived that morning.

2) Selling out before everybody is served is the nature of any highly desired product. However, there is nothing cryptic about the number ipads currently available at a store at a given time. If there are 150 people in line and you have 20 ipads to sell, you might think about saving people some time.

3) Apple store employees, if you don't like answering endless questions about ipad 2 availability, consider looking for another job, or at least passing this along to your superiors' superiors:

"Our refusal to utilize any of the limitless technology afforded us to communicate to consumers about ipad 2 availability is going to result in endless phone calls from people asking the exact same thing over and over again. We don't use twitter, we don't publicize store inventory online, we don't make any statements about pending deliveries, we don't do anything except act annoyed when people call around the clock asking about ipads."

Added to that, mysterious answers to straightforward questions don't go over well. It might be corporate policy to say things like, "we may or may not be able to meet the ipad demands of the line of people around the block," but you should expect very little courtesy from people in return.

Maybe I'm just getting old, but I find the whole thing pretty obnoxious (in case you couldn't tell.)

I do too. What gets me is that this launch appears to have been done this way deliberately.

The iphone 4 launch with all the preordering seemed to go well, but there were not the same lines that we saw in the past.

I think there was a conscious decision to handle things this way to create the launch buzz, especially the 5pm launch, coincidentally in time for the evening news in many locations.

I'm not filled with angst over this, but it is pretty annoying to be played like this. I guess my expectations of 'fast' shipping are somewhat different these days.
 
I think this is the most obvious one. Lets face it there are thousands on eBay by scalpers to pay for their own iPads

This would prob leave a few 1000 iPads for genuine people to buy.

If you need to buy another one for family or friend then tough, make them queue too

I bought 2 and am going to sell it so it minimizes my cost. In the end, there is still going to be 2 ipad owners from my purchase and Apple still charged $998 from my 2 purchases. There is nothing wrong with this. The person who buys it from me is still a genuine owner.

I am from Canada as well...
 
All the time you have spent on this forum complaining does no good... Pick up the phone and call Apple operations or send Steve Jobs an email.... Complain to the people that can make a difference... Not to a group of people who read your post and shrug their shoulders... By the way... Don't bash white because it's different and who gives a rats ass about videos.... I don't watch video on my iPad... Opinions are like ******s... Everybody has one
 
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Stand your ground OP, don't buy one. That'll show Apple. It also makes one more available for me :)

Well when ten's of thousands or even hundred of thousand customers get tired of apple's greed for the media then they will change their tune.


James
 
We're almost five years into iDevices and y'all STILL didn't know to get there early. Really???

Sent from my iPad2.

It's probably been 20+ years of life for you and you still don't know how to read. Really??? :p

Yes, I got there 3+ hours early.

Tony
 
It's probably been 20+ years of life for you and you still don't know how to read. Really??? :p

Yes, I got there 3+ hours early.

Tony

I love when internerds misjudge age. It's fun for everyone.

Considering you didn't get the iPad version you wanted I would say my statement was correct. You should have gotten there earlier.
 
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Honestly, the sense of entitlement some people are exhibiting in this thread is simply stunning.

Hundreds of people line up for a product and some how you're upset that it wasn't made more convenient for you? Do you say the same thing when your favorite band's concert sells out? That somehow you should have been able to reserve a ticket ahead of time? That they should have anticipated greater demand and booked a bigger venue instead? That people who lined up early are being cheated out of their income as they could be at work instead?

If you don't want to que up in front of the Apple store like the iPad was some kind of rock star, then order one off the website at wait for it to be delivered.

The iPhone 4 launch wasn't perfect, either. I know at least one person (me) who wasn't able to reserve one for pick up on launch day. Why? Because I didn't que up online early enough. But because I wanted an iPad 2 on launch day, I made sure to line up in front of my Apple store 5 hours early. And I was still around #200 in line!
 
Honestly, the sense of entitlement some people are exhibiting in this thread is simply stunning.

Hundreds of people line up for a product and some how you're upset that it wasn't made more convenient for you? Do you say the same thing when your favorite band's concert sells out? That somehow you should have been able to reserve a ticket ahead of time? That they should have anticipated greater demand and booked a bigger venue instead? That people who lined up early are being cheated out of their income as they could be at work instead?

If you don't want to que up in front of the Apple store like the iPad was some kind of rock star, then order one off the website at wait for it to be delivered.

The iPhone 4 launch wasn't perfect, either. I know at least one person (me) who wasn't able to reserve one for pick up on launch day. Why? Because I didn't que up online early enough. But because I wanted an iPad 2 on launch day, I made sure to line up in front of my Apple store 5 hours early. And I was still around #200 in line!

All I can say is .. Touché
 
This is an accurate reflection of how many feel, including me. Clearly Apple made their choices deliberately, probably believing this serves their company better than the more orderly iPhone 4 lunch.

In the long term the product demand will depend little on Apple's launch choices and more on the product features.

I personally think the way they handled this launch reflects the growing arrogance that has come with their growing success and risks some backlash in other areas. If you see the messages on these forums they clearly irritated many of their most devoted customers. All the extra publicity they gained may not be worth this. Apple would have likely sold the same number of iPads 2 with an iPhone 4 or iPad 1 type launch, and I hope they go back to that for iPhone 5.

I hope the powers that be at Apple get the OP's message so they can digest it.
 
Edit: Nevermind. I just don't understand why some people are so quick to defend apple and condemn the customers who are simply trying to find a straight answer to obtain an iPad of their own.
 
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This is an accurate reflection of how many feel, including me. Clearly Apple made their choices deliberately, probably believing this serves their company better than the more orderly iPhone 4 lunch.

In the long term the product demand will depend little on Apple's launch choices and more on the product features.

I personally think the way they handled this launch reflects the growing arrogance that has come with their growing success and risks some backlash in other areas. If you see the messages on these forums they clearly irritated many of their most devoted customers. All the extra publicity they gained may not be worth this. Apple would have likely sold the same number of iPads 2 with an iPhone 4 or iPad 1 type launch, and I hope they go back to that for iPhone 5.

I hope the powers that be at Apple get the OP's message so they can digest it.

I didn't know we had so many conspiracy theorists on here. Why does the launch have to be a conspiracy? Can't it just simply be unforeseen delays in the supply that caused them to do the launch like they did? What is so hard to understand about that?

They had to choose between having more available for retail stores or having more available for online sales. They picked retail of course because that is easier to spread out rather than selling out within an hour online. Either way people get screwed, but it isn't some conspiracy theory.

Occam's razor.
 
I love when internerds misjudge age. It's fun for everyone.

Considering you didn't get the iPad version you wanted I would say my statement was correct. You should have gotten there earlier.

Boy you guys REALLY don't know how to read, do you? :rolleyes:

As I've said MANY times in this thread, I was EIGHTH IN LINE. I didn't get one because the store I choose to go to never received my model even though I called ahead and asked if they did and they said yes (I got the "we have every version" response). If they had ONE 64 GB Black AT&T model in the store, I would have got it as no one ahead of me was buying that (I asked). I could have gotten there a week ahead of time and the result would have been the same.

And as I ALSO said many times in this thread, I'm not frustrated. I was happy to take my chance and see what happened. Then I came home and immediately ordered one online and willing to wait a month - no big deal. I was just surprised at the mess I saw in line and when reading all the threads here. I was just summarizing my and other observations of what happened and my opinions on what i think would be a better process, mostly based on past practices of Apple themselves.

You can agree or disagree, but be courteous enough to at least get the facts straight before laying on the insults. :)

And I wasn't implying any age. I assumed you were over 20 so I said 20 PLUS, meaning at LEAST that - I had no idea how old you were or was even trying to guess.

Tony
 
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I dont see why you are complaining apple did not tell you to go outside and wait. I remember when i had to do the same for my Jordan shoes bustin all nighters to be out there by 4 to 5 am. It was havoc sometimes i would get then sometimes i wouldnt.
 
I dont see why you are complaining apple did not tell you to go outside and wait. I remember when i had to do the same for my Jordan shoes bustin all nighters to be out there by 4 to 5 am. It was havoc sometimes i would get then sometimes i wouldnt.

No they didn't. But if they are putting in a process where 100,000+ people are GOING to wait no matter what, and in fact are promoting that behavior, then they could try to improve that process. I am NOT complaining about the waiting, just making improvement suggestions on the overall process.

Tony
 
No they didn't. But if they are putting in a process where 100,000+ people are GOING to wait no matter what, and in fact are promoting that behavior, then they could try to improve that process. I am NOT complaining about the waiting, just making improvement suggestions on the overall process.

Tony

All they care about is money they know you are going to get it one way or another. Because if that was the case if they cared they would mass produce for everyone then wait for release. Instead they want to create buzz.
 
People can complain all they want but they know they would still line up or want the next Apple release...lol
 
I didn't know we had so many conspiracy theorists on here. Why does the launch have to be a conspiracy? Can't it just simply be unforeseen delays in the supply that caused them to do the launch like they did? What is so hard to understand about that?

They had to choose between having more available for retail stores or having more available for online sales. They picked retail of course because that is easier to spread out rather than selling out within an hour online. Either way people get screwed, but it isn't some conspiracy theory.

Occam's razor.

It is not a conspiracy when we say they deliberately made the choices. The criticism, I believe, boils down to the arrogance of a store (from what I read, the majority of their stores) knowing they only have (e.g.) a 100 units and 300 people in line, and letting them wait for hours knowing well that they will not be getting one.
 
People can complain all they want but they know they would still line up or want the next Apple release...lol

Um I'm not waiting in line again. I don't appreciate being treated like a lemming (or acting like one). I don't know how Apple fanboys do it and retain their self respect.

Far better to wait until stock is prevalent and kick the tires of ALL possible choices, then comparison shop online and get the best deal.

I did that with the iPad1 and the Touch 4g. Apple caught me acting stupid once but I won't repeat my mistake. The way this launch was handled ruined my impression of Apple as a company.
 
Edit: Nevermind. I just don't understand why some people are so quick to defend apple and condemn the customers who are simply trying to find a straight answer to obtain an iPad of their own.

Order online. Takes 30 seconds. Shows up like magic at your front door in a few weeks or less.

Seems like a great option for people who aren't comfortable waiting in lines or wasting time hunting down a store that has them.
 
Um I'm not waiting in line again. I don't appreciate being treated like a lemming (or acting like one). I don't know how Apple fanboys do it and retain their self respect.

Far better to wait until stock is prevalent and kick the tires of ALL possible choices, then comparison shop online and get the best deal.

I did that with the iPad1 and the Touch 4g. Apple caught me acting stupid once but I won't repeat my mistake. The way this launch was handled ruined my impression of Apple as a company.

That's unfortunate that u had a horrible experience. U can always just order online and wait. I've rather lucky at Apple launches in my area so I can't complain. If given a choice I'd rather pre order and launch date delivery like the iPhone 4...but I don't mind toughing it out in a line if I want the product that bad.
 
Um I'm not waiting in line again. I don't appreciate being treated like a lemming (or acting like one). I don't know how Apple fanboys do it and retain their self respect.

Far better to wait until stock is prevalent and kick the tires of ALL possible choices, then comparison shop online and get the best deal.

I did that with the iPad1 and the Touch 4g. Apple caught me acting stupid once but I won't repeat my mistake. The way this launch was handled ruined my impression of Apple as a company.

Or you could wait until iPad 3 comes out when every Apple fanboy sells his iPad 2 for dirt cheap.
 
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