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I think the point I was trying to make is: If you think that the combined processing power of a Macbook Air is the same as an iPad, you're wrong.

An iPad is far, far inferior in power to a MacBook Air. Combine the CPU, the GPU, the DDR3 ram, the SSD drive... I'm sorry but if an ipad was "the same" as a Macbook air they could just have OS X and I'd be running photoshop cs5 off it.

I think you just don't know how computer hardware works.
 
I think the point I was trying to make is: If you think that the combined processing power of a Macbook Air is the same as an iPad, you're wrong.

An iPad is far, far inferior in power to a MacBook Air. Combine the CPU, the GPU, the DDR3 ram, the SSD drive... I'm sorry but if an ipad was "the same" as a Macbook air they could just have OS X and I'd be running photoshop cs5 off it.

I think you just don't know how computer hardware works.

LOL. On one hand, you confirm that MBA 11" is more powerful than iPad 1. And you didn't disagree with these points:

- MBA 11.6" can drive 5+ megapixels at the same time
- MBA 11.6" has size and total volume of its components (sans keyboard, touchpad, hinges, fans, and extra structure) about the same as iPad

So, you agree with them, as it's not possible to both not disagree and not agree :D

And yet in the beginning, you said:

Sean Dempsey said:
Take a moment to look at the attached image in full size. You really think that a ipad will have the graphics power, ram, and developer support to show a display at such a massive resolution?

So, if EXISTING MBA technology is more powerful than existing iPad, why it's technologically impossible to "morph" MBA's guts (sans keyboard, touchpad, hinges, fans, and extra structure) into iPad 2 with 2048x1536 display?

Since you're the only one here who "knows how computer hardware works", you should be able to answer this question.

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So, if EXISTING MBA technology is more powerful than existing iPad, why it's technologically impossible to "morph" MBA's guts (sans keyboard, touchpad, hinges, fans, and extra structure) into iPad 2 with 2048x1536 display?

Since you're the only one here who "knows how computer hardware works", you should be able to answer this question.

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1) The MBA uses a completely different type of CPU/GPU than are used in mobile (phone and tablet) products.

2) The MBA gets much less battery life than the iPad (exactly half as reported by Apple).

3) The base model MBA costs twice as much as the base model iPad.



Apple probably could make a retina display iPad at this point. It would also probably cost well more than their $499 target price. Next year mobile GPUs will be more powerful and screen yields at that DPI and size will be better.
 
Can you read post #5 in this thread?

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1064575/

Do you think Apple will post MBA's spec as "Simultaneously supports full native resolution on the built-in display and up to 2560 by 1600 pixels on an external display, both at millions of colors" if it was not capable of doing smooth pans/zooms at this resolution?

Absolutely they would, because desktops/laptops are not generally called on to do these operations. In case you haven't figured it out, tablets and laptops have a different interface.

Laptops/desktops display largely static interfaces and windows that you just click things.

Tablets use copious panning/zooming. A MBA would be nowhere near as smooth as iPad while paning and zooming a 5 MP desktop.
 
1) The MBA uses a completely different type of CPU/GPU than are used in mobile (phone and tablet) products.

2) The MBA gets much less battery life than the iPad (exactly half as reported by Apple).

Don't you think that there's correlation between 1) and 2) and that correlation is the reason Apple makes processors specifically designed for iPhone/iPad? Who said that iPad 2 will have CPU/GPU of MBA?

3) The base model MBA costs twice as much as the base model iPad.

Who said that this will be the case with iPad 2? iPad 2 with its stunning display can be positioned by Apple as "top end" iPad priced in $700-1000 range while they continue to sell iPad 1 in $400-600 range (just like they continue to sell iPhone 3Gs along with the 4).

2048x1536 is here, folks - I guarantee it! :D
 
What makes you think that hardware from MBA won't fit in iPad? Do you own or at least put your hand on MBA 11? (I'm typing this on it :D) If you remove keyboard, touchpad, ALL of the aluminum shell of the bottom half, ports, fans, hinges, and reduce the screen from 11.6 to 9.7... what will be left? Almost NOTHING :D It'll probably fit in iPhone :D But it's no question it'll fit in iPad 2. Especially that it has flatter profile than iPad 1, so probably even more internal volume.

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So why can't iPad 2 with 2048x1536 resolution be priced at, say, $899 for 64GB, $799 for 32GB, $699 for 16GB, alongside with iPad 1 at $599 for 64GB, $499 for 32GB, and $399 for 16GB?

Other people have already addressed why your perspective is wrong. Alongside what they have said:

You can't 'just reduce the size from 11.6" to 9.7'. This is not minor. The internals of the MBA are tightly packed. Look at this for crying out loud.
You have to account for the total volume, not just the footprint. Flatter profile doesn't mean 'more internal volume', it means less.
It is unreasonable to keep all the hardware but get rid of the fans (seriously?).
You still haven't addressed how Apple will have a higher-tier model with highly reduced battery life.
If you make up pricing schemes out of thin air to fit your argument, and ignore positioning and differentiation, then it seems reasonable. So?

iPad 2 with its stunning display can be positioned by Apple as "top end" iPad priced in $700-1000 range while they continue to sell iPad 1 in $400-600 range (just like they continue to sell iPhone 3Gs along with the 4).

iPhone 3Gs is a laggard and Apple is not pushing it at all. Yes, you can buy it, but it's basically 'legacy sales', not an additional model sharing space in Apple's lineup.
 
Why the iPad 2 will include the A5

The dual-core A5 CPU (@ ~1GHz) is rumoured for the ATV 3, iPhone 5 and it'll no doubt be in the iPad 2 as well. It's likely this A5 SoC will contain the SGX543, and 512MB RAM.

The A5 CPU should use less power per core than the A4 whilst completing tasks twice as fast due to having two cores, thus should use less power overall in a multi-threaded environment than the A4 CPU, and in the case of a single-threaded workload the second core if not utilised can be turned off.

The SGX543 at the same clock speed should offer more performance and use the same or even less power than the SGX535 in the iPhone 4, 3GS, and iPad.
The biggest question now is whether the iPad 2 will have a retina display or not... I'm leaning towards no now, although it is possible.

It is possible for the iPad 2 to power a retina display but it probably won't happen

For the iPad 2 to power a 2048x1536 res display it'll need the SGX543MP2 which should offer the same performance at that resolution as the SGX535 offers at 960x640 (at the same clock speed). It'll also probably need 1GB of RAM, which shouldn't draw much more power than 512MB.

So, we'll have twice the amount of power drained from the SGX543MP2 as the SGX543 (which should use the same amount as the SGX535), but other than that and the tiny bit from the extra RAM, there shouldn't be much else.

The larger resolution shouldn't really draw much more power at all, since the majority of the power usage from the screen is the LED-backlight, which doesn't increase with resolution but with physical size.

If Apple does include a retina display on iPad 2, they'll have to keep the SGX535 in the iPhone 5 otherwise you'll find apps for iPhone that are more powerful than what the iPad 2 can handle.

Now that I'm thinking about it, I think Apple would rather provide more GPU performance rather than have a retina display on the iPad 2.
 
Who said that iPad 2 will have CPU/GPU of MBA?

So, if EXISTING MBA technology is more powerful than existing iPad, why it's technologically impossible to "morph" MBA's guts (sans keyboard, touchpad, hinges, fans, and extra structure) into iPad 2 with 2048x1536 display?


If you're going to talk about a different CPU/GPU than what's in the Macbook Air, then why even bother with the performance comparisons to the MBA?
 
Why the iPad 2 will include the A5

The dual-core A5 CPU (@ ~1GHz) is rumoured for the ATV 3, iPhone 5 and it'll no doubt be in the iPad 2 as well. It's likely this A5 SoC will contain the SGX543, and 512MB RAM.
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One rumor doesn't prove another.

My bet is Apple is simply switching to Cortex A9 and SGX543 SINGLE core for all these devices. None of them really need dual core. The simple upgrade in the cores will give them a nice performance boost at nearly half the size of going dual core (and thus half the cost). Think like an MBA and not a computer nerd.

There has to be need for dual core, beyone Android devices are getting dual core so Apple will too.

This round will be GPU/CPU core improvements, RAM to 512MB and cameras. That is about it. That is a nice performance boost across the board and will let them keep prices down.
 
And what is it doing with those 5+ MP? I bet you aren't doing 5MP liquid smooth pan/zooms.

Wel well well. I'm writing this on my Da Puppy leashed to Dell 30" 2560x1600 with both built-in and external monitors on. What can I say. WOW.

That's all I can say. :D

All animations, transitions, etc. are as smooth as on MBA's display only. I see absolutely no performance hit. 2560x1600 looks stunning! And it's run by this little puppy. WOA.

To all naysayers: the technology to drive 5+ megapixel screens by hardware that can absolutely fit in iPad, is here. iPad 2 will eat 2048x1536 for lunch! :D

Displaying a static desktop is not the same as graphics power needed to actually do smooth pan/zoom that you would need on a tablet.

Maybe you have a sheet of paper covering your monitor that has menu and icons printed on it ("static desktop"), but I now have multiple windows open on both MBA 11" and 30" 2560x1600 display attached to it, move them, zoom them, pan them, and it's all freakingly smooth and awesome. So I'm not sure what kind of "graphics power" you're talking about that your desktop appears static. :D
 
I bet you aren't doing 5MP liquid smooth pan/zooms.

I wish I talked you into putting $1000 on your bet and THEN posted about what MBA 11" can do with 5MP. :D

You lost the bet, and obviously you don't own Da Puppy, and a 2560x1600 display. Three is the charm. :D
 
You can't 'just reduce the size from 11.6" to 9.7'. This is not minor. The internals of the MBA are tightly packed. Look at this for crying out loud.

Do you have a picture of iPad 2's internals? How do you know they will be loosely packed? :D

It looks like you don't have both iPad and MBA 11" since you refer to pictures. Here, I'm holding both in my hands. MBA's keyboard, touchpad, the whole unibody, ports, hinges, screen bezel are all "overhead" compared to what's needed for iPad. MBA's internals sans the above mentioned extras ABSOLUTELY CAN fit in iPad.

When you have both, you can disassemble them and try to put MBA's guts into iPad and you'll see yourself. :D
 
Do you have a picture of iPad 2's internals? How do you know they will be loosely packed? :D

It looks like you don't have both iPad and MBA 11" since you refer to pictures. Here, I'm holding both in my hands. MBA's keyboard, touchpad, the whole unibody, ports, hinges, screen bezel are all "overhead" compared to what's needed for iPad. MBA's internals sans the above mentioned extras ABSOLUTELY CAN fit in iPad.

When you have both, you can disassemble them and try to put MBA's guts into iPad and you'll see yourself. :D

Yes, it could fit. You'd also get about 3 hours of battery life. Have you seen pictures of the inside of the current gen iPad? It's like 90% battery. The logic board is tiny, almost like something you'd see in a phone.


You seem so obsessed with whether it's physically possible, but Apple doesn't care about that. What they care about is whether it can be mass produced and whether they can hit their expected price point with their expected profit margin. The iPad 2 will be $499 and have a 1024x768 screen.
 
Absolutely they would, because desktops/laptops are not generally called on to do these operations.

A MBA would be nowhere near as smooth as iPad while paning and zooming a 5 MP desktop.

Seriously, you should buy MBA and 2560x1600 display before you make such statements. :D

Ditch that $200 Dell netbook and see the light. :D

Writing this on MBA 11" with both 1366x768 internal and 2560x1600 external (total 5+ MP) running smooth as hot knife on butter. :D

But don't worry. iPad 2 WILL be 2048x1536 no matter if you agree or not. iPad 2 doesn't care about your opinion. :D
 
One rumor doesn't prove another.
What? Where did I say it did?
My bet is Apple is simply switching to Cortex A9 and SGX543 SINGLE core for all these devices.
That's what I just said, "A5" dual-core (based off ARM9) including an SGX 543.
None of them really need dual core. The simple upgrade in the cores will give them a nice performance boost at nearly half the size of going dual core (and thus half the cost).
They don't need a dual core GPU, but they do need a dual core CPU.
Think like an MBA and not a computer nerd.
What? Don't be rude, I'm not thinking like a computer nerd.
 
Yes, it could fit. You'd also get about 3 hours of battery life.

Huh? So you finally agreed that MBA's internals will fit in iPad. I get solid 5 hours (and that's with Flash, virtual machines, compiling in Xcode, streaming podcasts in iTunes, etc.) on Da Puppy. Where did you lose 2 hours? Maybe when you were soldering the battery, you connected its parts in wrong polarity so they run against each other? :D

Have you seen pictures of the inside of the current gen iPad? It's like 90% battery. The logic board is tiny, almost like something you'd see in a phone.

Have you seen pictures of the inside of the current gen MBA? It's like 90% battery once you remove fan, hinges, ports, keyboard, touchpad. The logic board is tiny, almost like something you'd see in an iPad. :D

The iPad 2 will be $499 and have a 1024x768 screen.

Filed for future claim chowder. :D
 
Huh? So you finally agreed that MBA's internals will fit in iPad.


I never said that they wouldn't physically fit (At least the logic board). My arguments have all been about price and battery life.

You're still comparing desktop/Intel machines with mobile machines that use a completely different class of parts.

If you took the internals of a MBA and put them in an iPad case you would have the internals of an MBA inside an iPad case, not an iPad nor an iPad 2.
 
Huh? So you finally agreed that MBA's internals will fit in iPad. I get solid 5 hours (and that's with Flash, virtual machines, compiling in Xcode, streaming podcasts in iTunes, etc.) on Da Puppy. Where did you lose 2 hours? Maybe when you were soldering the battery, you connected its parts in wrong polarity so they run against each other? :D

Have you seen pictures of the inside of the current gen MBA? It's like 90% battery once you remove fan, hinges, ports, keyboard, touchpad. The logic board is tiny, almost like something you'd see in an iPad. :D
For you, and anyone who is arguing that they could put the internals of a MBA into an iPad and have it work, I'll tell you why it won't happen:

1) The Intel CPU & NVidia GPU use so much power in comparison to the A4 that you'd have like half an hour to an hour of battery life. On that note, the amount of heat generated would be that much that it'd probably burn your hand -- including the fact that it, unlike the MBA, won't have any fans or heat-sinks, as well as being in a smaller enclosure.

The CPU & GPU would obviously be used at a lower clock speed, but it'll still draw too much power and generate too much heat.

2) It would take a long time to code iOS to work on an Intel CPU seeing the great difference between it and an ARM CPU and it would ultimately be fruitless as it would trash it.
 
Here's a pic of the MBA internals:

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And a pic of the iPad internals:

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So, keeping in mind that the iPad is still smaller than the 11" MBA, I would call the iPad's logic board half the size or less of the MBA's. Also note the heatsinks and fan required for the MBA that are not present in the iPad.

An interesting size comparison:

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Also, the Macbook Air weighs 2.3 pounds while the iPad weighs only 1.5.


Again, there are still more variables than physical size. Apple wants to sell millions of iPads and make billions of dollars. That means they will hit the $499 price point, which is half the price of the MBA.
 
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The higher resolution of the iPad 2 would make me buy it right away because one of my main uses would be reading tons of scientific papers. The iPad 1 is not sufficiently better as a reader than my macbook pro, and so for now i'll stick with printed paper copies for reading (unless the iPad 2 has a high res display).

When I heard the rumours of a dual core processor, dual core GPU, SD card slot, and high res display I thought "Wow, that is PERFECT, is exactly in-line with the competition (and actually beating them on the display), and is just what I want for the iPad 2". Then I started getting worried because Apple NEVER gives us what we want, and always doles out the minimum hardware they can get away with. Then these new rumours have dashed my hopes of a high end, high res iPad 2...

However, I have been thinking about the high res iPad 2 and in some ways it makes sense. One thing it would do is keep game developers from getting too far ahead of the iPad and iphone 4 technology, and keep them 'alive' and relevant for longer (making Apple heaps more money, because the millions of people with last generation hardware can still buy the latest and greatest games). Because of the resolution doubling, the extra power in the iPad 2 would largely go to driving the higher resolution of the games. In this way, you can have a game designed to run perfectly on the iPad 1 / iphone 4, and then have it run even better on the iPad 2, AND at double the resolution. They could even enable a few extra rendering effects and whatnot for the iPad 2 if they want.

The big problem I see if the iPad 2 keeps the same resolution as the iPad 1 is that there would be no need for super high-end specs. They could get away with a single core GPU, and either a single core A9 based processor, or maybe a dual core A9 processor if we're lucky (hopefully at LEAST dual core CPU). It wouldn't make sense for Apple to release a dual CPU, dual GPU, 1 gig of ram monster if it was driving the same old resolution display at the iPad 1. It would be so much faster than the iPad 1 / iphone 4 that it would make them obsolete too quickly, and any games coming out to take advantage of this super high end hardware would not run on the only 1-generation old iPad 1 and iphone 4.

So the really depressing thing that follows from this arguement is that if the resolution is NOT doubled, we will probably not see the same high end specs we were hoping for because A) it will not be needed, and B) it will put too much of a gap between the current generation and the last. In the past we have been used to incremental bumps in CPU speed from 400 mhz to 600, then to 800, etc... as well as slow increases in GPU speed.

Now for the iPad 2 we're talking about going to a new CPU architecture (A8 to A9) which in it's self will give an increase in performance, and then we're adding 2 cores and MORE than doubling the performance overall.The same thing is happening with the GPU. We're getting a new GPU that runs faster than the old one, AND we're adding two of them, so MORE than doubling the graphics performance. We are in a very unique time for technology right now, where we're seeing by FAR the biggest leap in mobile component speeds. Really it's a revolution in mobile computing and really leading us close to having our cells phones be our computers (like where the Motorola Atrix is going). We can talk about the thing apple did in the past with the 3GS to 4, and iphone 3G to 3GS, but the fact is that never has Apple or the entire industry been in this same position with the same explosion in mobile computing power in such a short period of time.We aren't going from 600 mHz to 800 mHz, we're going from 1000 mHz to 2000 mHz (essentially with the dual core phones).

So I agree that Apple probably won't wow us with the specs or with the screen resolution, but then again we are in a VERY unique time in mobile computing history and it would be the one time I would actually expect Apple to surprise us. It wouldn't make sense for Apple to NOT include a nicely upgraded CPU and GPU (dual core in both cases would make sense, I mean the new PSP2 will have quad core CPU/GPU and cost far less than the iPad), and it just so happens that 'nicely' upgrading (to what everyone else is using) is the biggest leap in speed we've ever seen. In order to not have this massive leap in computing power totally overshadow their older products, it would make sense to 'limit' the speed of games the iPad 2 with a double resolution screen. At the same time, it would make this bar-none the best reader out there, and as everyone has said would give it a massive wow-factor.

Most of the arguments in this thread comparing Apples old iphone / ipod release schedules, and using them as evidence to speculate on the iPad 2 are completely on the wrong track. As i've already said, NEVER before have we seen a jump in technology like this. All of the new CPU's coming out are dual core A9's, so it isn't like it would be any more expensive for apple to use one with the iPad 2 than it was when they used the A8 based A4 on the iPad 1. Bumping the specs isn't going to increase their cost of production relative to the iPad 1 when it was released, because the technology world has moved forward a lot since then and so have the components/prices. I think Apple HAS to give a big improvement in specs and hardware speed because those are the chips being released and being used. Apple can only do the best they can with those chips, and I think using a double resolution 'retina' display will help to keep their old technology relevant for longer throughout this massive jump in mobile computing speed from single to dual core platforms.

If you want to look at apples previous release trends and use them to predict the iPad 2 release, look no further than the 3GS / iPad overlap. We went from a 600 mHz CPU with 256 megs of ram on the 3GS, to a 1000 mhz processor with the same GPU and same ram on the iPad, BUT with a MUCH higher resolution (remember the 3GS did not have a retina display). Despite having the same ram and GPU, the 400 mhz increase in CPU speed was enough to make the iPad "scream", as Steve Jobs put it. Everyone was amazed at how snappy and quick the iPad was compared to the 3GS, and even with more than double the screen resolution games and everything ran much better (and with the SAME GPU). Now we're talking about a big increase in GPU speed (even if only single core GPU), a more than DOUBLING of CPU speed (dual core A9 based), and a double of ram. WHY couldn't this machine handle a doubling of resolution, EVEN if the iPad 2 only used a single core GPU, a dual core 1000 mhz CPU, and 512 megs of ram (which I think most people would agree is a reasonable prediction of the iPad 2's core specs)? Think of the relatively small increase in specs from the 3GS to the iPad (aside from the bump in processor speed), and then think of the massive increase in specs that will occur from the iPad to iPad 2 (even if apple is conservative and only includes a single core GPU and 512 megs of ram) based on the current leap in mobile computing technology. It really isn't THAT unreasonable that Apple could drive a 'retina' display with specs far less than the rumours are suggesting.

Sceptics and non-techies alike would walk into the Apple store, pick up a 'retina' display iPad 2 and be totally blown away. People who would normally never buy an iPad due to it's lack of function would probably buy one just to do menial things on (like email, web browsing, reading, etc...) because of how amazing the screen looked, and it would absolutely crush the sales of any competitor (and lets be honest here, Honeycomb is looking quite good, and the playbook's QNX system looks good too). Apple could even get away with continuing to be stagnant with their iOS and UI, and keep their already outdated interface and UI. If they keep the same low resolution screen, they had better setup up with an amazing and revolutionary iOS upgrade.
 
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However, I have been thinking about the high res iPad 2 and in some ways it makes sense. [/quote[

Dont think about it, apple isnt goign to give this too you. Perhaps with ipad 3


One thing it would do is keep game developers from getting too far ahead of the iPad and iphone 4 technology, and keep them 'alive' and relevant for longer (making Apple heaps more money, because the millions of people with last generation hardware can still buy the latest and greatest games). Because of the resolution doubling, the extra power in the iPad 2 would largely go to driving the higher resolution of the games. In this way, you can have a game designed to run perfectly on the iPad 1 / iphone 4, and then have it run even better on the iPad 2, AND at double the resolution. They could even enable a few extra rendering effects and whatnot for the iPad 2 if they want.
Doube the reolution means 4 times as much pixels wich would mean close to 3 times more demanding. Just doubling the ipad cpu and gpu would mean it would be able to drive the increase in resolution.

Its also not that easy all textures and gui would need to be redesigned to fit 4 different resolutions: old iphone 3gs res, iphone 4, ipad 1 and ipad 2 . and perhaps pretty soon atv2 .


It would be so much faster than the iPad 1 / iphone 4 that it would make them obsolete too quickly, and any games coming out to take advantage of this super high end hardware would not run on the only 1-generation old iPad 1 and iphone 4.
It would be a gradual increase, apps would have to be rewritten no doubt to handle the dual core setup.

Also iphone 1/3 = arm11 architecture cpu @400MHZ = about 500 DMIPS
iphone 3gs = arm cortex A8 @ 600MHZ = 1200 DMIPS
iphone 4 = arm cortex A8 @ 1000 MHZ = 2000 DMIPS


New dual core Cortex A9 = up to 2 x 1000 MHZ or 2 x 2500 DMIPS

The increase wouldnt be all that much fornon optimised apps, a lot less then the upgrade between 3g and 3gs .

The potential would be there but not used for the vast mayorite of apps.


So the really depressing thing that follows from this arguement is that if the resolution is NOT doubled, we will probably not see the same high end specs we were hoping for because A) it will not be needed, and B) it will put too much of a gap between the current generation and the last. In the past we have been used to incremental bumps in CPU speed from 400 mhz to 600, then to 800, etc... as well as slow increases in GPU speed.
Of course the competition is already releasing dual core CPU's in tablets. If apple doesnt follow it wil start to run behind in a market it is currently dominating.

The CPU is avaible,and according to some cheaper, I see little reason NOT to use it.


Now for the iPad 2 we're talking about going to a new CPU architecture (A8 to A9) which in it's self will give an increase in performance, and then we're adding 2 cores and MORE than doubling the performance overall.
Same here:

MBX lite(iphone 1/3)= about 2 Mpolys/s, 200 Mpx/s
SGX535 (iphone 3gs/4) = 28 M polys/s, 500Mpx/s@200 MHz
Thats more then doubled the GPU power, almost 3 times as powerfull.



SGX543 (=rumored new ipad GPU core) = 35M polygons/s @200 MHz single core . A dual core might give you 3 times the power .


We can talk about the thing apple did in the past with the 3GS to 4, and iphone 3G to 3GS, but the fact is that never has Apple or the entire industry been in this same position with the same explosion in mobile computing power in such a short period of time.We aren't going from 600 mHz to 800 mHz, we're going from 1000 mHz to 2000 mHz (essentially with the dual core phones).
The thing is: people arent going to notice it that much because the performance is already quit high.

Desktop cpu have this problem for years: they are so powerfull that low to mid end covers 99% of the market. Since cortex A8 we are seeing the same with smartphone/tablet cpu's : they are so powerfull they can do most tasks without problems or lag.




If you want to look at apples previous release trends and use them to predict the iPad 2 release, look no further than the 3GS / iPad overlap. We went from a 600 mHz CPU with 256 megs of ram on the 3GS, to a 1000 mhz processor with the same GPU and same ram on the iPad, BUT with a MUCH higher resolution (remember the 3GS did not have a retina display).
Neither does the ipad have retina, its barey any better then the iphone 3gs just bigger.

For the rest: same GPU, same RAM, increase in CPU(wich was largely taken up with the increased needs of the gui)

The jump from 3g to 3gs is still bigger.



Now we're talking about a big increase in GPU speed (even if only single core GPU), a more than DOUBLING of CPU speed (dual core A9 based), and a double of ram. WHY couldn't this machine handle a doubling of resolution,
The question is not if it could handle the increase, the question is can apple keep it affordable ?

A that big increase is going to drive hardware prices trough the roof. The only reason I see apple doing is if they want to crush android competition beforeit gets started.

And knowing apple I dont think that is there goal. They much rather keep margins high and specs relative average.
 
Seriously, you should buy MBA and 2560x1600 display before you make such statements. :D

Smooth doing what?

Are there applications were you do smooth full screen pinch/zoom?? No of course there isn't.

You care comparing apples and oranges here. Normal Desktop GUIs don't place the same level strain on a GPU that a good touch OS does.
 
What? Where did I say it did?

That's what I just said, "A5" dual-core (based off ARM9) including an SGX 543.

They don't need a dual core GPU, but they do need a dual core CPU.

What? Don't be rude, I'm not thinking like a computer nerd.


I think everyone who comes up with a big specification wish list of the next product is thinking like a computer nerd. Think like an MBA and you will think how to keep costs down the next release while giving the minimum upgrade in specs.

I haven't seen any case where they need a dual core CPU. That is nerd thinking.
 
LOL. On one hand, you confirm that MBA 11" is more powerful than iPad 1. And you didn't disagree with these points:

- MBA 11.6" can drive 5+ megapixels at the same time
- MBA 11.6" has size and total volume of its components (sans keyboard, touchpad, hinges, fans, and extra structure) about the same as iPad

So, you agree with them, as it's not possible to both not disagree and not agree :D

And yet in the beginning, you said:



So, if EXISTING MBA technology is more powerful than existing iPad, why it's technologically impossible to "morph" MBA's guts (sans keyboard, touchpad, hinges, fans, and extra structure) into iPad 2 with 2048x1536 display?

Since you're the only one here who "knows how computer hardware works", you should be able to answer this question.

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:D




If you don't udnerstand the difference between a laptop CPU and GPU, and a mobile device CPU and GPU, then arguing with you is pointless.

It has nothing to do with physical size, hint.

And if you think they're just going to use laptop hardware in an tablet, you still clearly don't understand how hardware architecture works. Saying that a glorified cellphone CPU will run like a Macbook Air is borderline retarded.
 
The biggest upgrade the iPad 2 should have is more memory. Also, I think 16gb storage is ridiculous. I have the 32gb model and it's not enough, when iOS games coming out are nearly 1gb (or more...puzzle quest 2) it fills up really fast. I don't even have 1 movie on my iPad anymore. (though iOS game devs. really should take a look at Dead Space, that's 300mb and how iOS games should be done.) I wish I would have gotten a 64gb model, the bottom end model should be 32gb, top-end 128gb. I'd like to see iPad 2's be 32,64,128gb respectively. As for the camera's, I could care less about that feature, though it would be "neat" to play with augmented reality.

You know I was reading about the NGP the other day, and it apparently has a snap dragon A9 quad core processor. I'd love to see iPad2 have that processing for multi-tasking. The rumors about double-resolution, that's crazy if it's true- but would be precisely the kind of thing that would give Apple the upper-hand yet again in the tablet market. I think iPad2 needs to do amazing things this year, as more and more are starting to make serious attempts to de-throne the iPad (though I won't hold my breath.)

As for the LCD being closer to the glass, I'd like to see this on iMac's, since dust and "gunk from candles" gets up under the glass on iMac's, and I have no clue how to get in there to wipe it out.

Also, if they could add a few more hours to the battery life of the iPad that'd be great, though it is pretty darn good now, it would be great to see it have a "full day charge", so I wouldn't bring my charging cable "just in case".

Oh yeah one more thing, I'd like to see "two finger swiping" across the screen for multi-tasking between apps on iOS. I hate double-tapping the home button, so many times I just end up back on the home screen. An "OS X" type task switching with app thumbnails would be awesome.
 
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