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I'm confused..

The article is actually incorrect in when it says Apple is "doubling" the resolution. By doubling the pixel dimensions, which is what we are talking about, you are actually QUADRUPLING the resolution and number of pixels.

It's 4x resolution, not 2x.


Correct me if I'm wrong, but that doesn't make any sense. The iPad currently has a 1024x768 resolution screen right? 1024x2=2048 and 768x2=1536 so how is 2048x1536 not doubling the resolution? Wouldn't quadrupling it mean a 4096x3072 resolution screen? Am I missing something??
 
Correct me if I'm wrong, but that doesn't make any sense. The iPad currently has a 1024x768 resolution screen right? 1024x2=2048 and 768x2=1536 so how is 2048x1536 not doubling the resolution? Wouldn't quadrupling it mean a 4096x3072 resolution screen? Am I missing something??

1024x768 = 786,432 pixels
2048x1536 = 3,145,728 pixels

3,145,728 / 4 = 786,432

4 times the pixels, 4 times the resolution. If you're still confused, just visualize 4 iPads, set up in 2 rows of 2. Now add up the combined vertical and horizontal resolution. Hopefully that helps you understand
 
Keep the faith! Anything is possible!

If i found a comment thread made right after the prospect of the next iPhone having a 960x640 resolution display was initially speculated, after finding the EXACT same kind of evidence they're showing here, but changed "iPhone" to "iPad 2" and "960x640" to "2048x1536", you would think everyone was talking about the iPad 2. I remember people literally saying the EXACT same things: that kind of resolution on that size of screen would be overkill, it would require a ridiculous graphics chip, it would eat way too much battery, and it would be way too cost prohibitive. Pretty much everyone said it would be impossible.

It's not like they're talking about quadrupling the display or something, this is a relatively minor 2x bump. The dual core processor coupled with the dual core graphics chip that's all but guaranteed to go into the next iPad could easily push a display like that. As far as cost is concerned, Apple has an extremely unique position in the tablet computer field. They're guaranteed to sell tens of millions of devices in the first year alone. They have unparalleled bulk purchasing power that will allow them to sell an ultra high resolution display while maintaining their infamously high margins.

Apple knows they're dominating in the mobile arena and they're not about to slip up. They've already got the software aspect nailed down and if they dominate in the hardware aspect as well, there's no stopping them. The first thing you notice when using any mobile device is the screen. Creating a screen that makes every other tablet computer look like it came from a decade ago is one of teh smartest things they can do hardware wise. Their biggest competitors are targeting, and just barely beating, the current iPad with their soon to be released tablets, (at least hardware wise) but when Apple drops a 2048x1536 bomb on them, they won't even see it coming and their pathetic attempts will look like last years news.
 
1024x768 = 786,432 pixels
2048x1536 = 3,145,728 pixels

3,145,728 / 4 = 786,432

4 times the pixels, 4 times the resolution. If you're still confused, just visualize 4 iPads, set up in 2 rows of 2. Now add up the combined vertical and horizontal resolution. Hopefully that helps you understand

Ok the pixels might be quadrupled, but i still don't get how 1024x4=2048 and 768x4=1536.. I'm not saying you're wrong, I just thought I knew how to multiply pretty well.. ESPECIALLY with a calculator.. Ha..
 
Ok the pixels might be quadrupled, but i still don't get how 1024x4=2048 and 768x4=1536.. I'm not saying you're wrong, I just thought I knew how to multiply pretty well.. ESPECIALLY with a calculator.. Ha..

Clearly you still don't understand the math. Ignore all the math, and focus on the 4 iPad comparison

Hopefully the visual can help you understand that it's quadruple the resolution, because, well, there are 4 iPads!
 

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Clearly you still don't understand the math. Ignore all the math, and focus on the 4 iPad comparison

Hopefully the visual can help you understand that it's quadruple the resolution, because, well, there are 4 iPads!

Ok, that makes sense now. I guess another way of putting it is yes, 1024x2=2048 and 768x2=1536, but since that's doubling both the vertical AND horizontal resolution, it's quadrupling the resolution as a whole. I think I was just confused because every time I read about the iPhone 4's Retina display, they referred to it as "doubling" the resolution from the 3GS, even though it was quadrupled as well.

Thanks for your patience, I can tell I was starting to test it :eek:. I hate when I'm explaining something seemingly obvious and someone can't grasp it.
 
In the end, the new iPad will likely sport either 1280x768 or 1280x960 resolution, essentially "retinal display" quality at about 1.5 to 2 feet distance between your eyes and the display panel itself.

Hopefully, with the current state of the art in flash memory, Apple sees it fit to offer the 2G iPad with 32, 64 or 128 GB of flash memory in addition at at least 512 MB of on-board RAM.
 
If i found a comment thread made right after the prospect of the next iPhone having a 960x640 resolution display was initially speculated, after finding the EXACT same kind of evidence they're showing here, but changed "iPhone" to "iPad 2" and "960x640" to "2048x1536", you would think everyone was talking about the iPad 2. I remember people literally saying the EXACT same things: that kind of resolution on that size of screen would be overkill, it would require a ridiculous graphics chip, it would eat way too much battery, and it would be way too cost prohibitive. Pretty much everyone said it would be impossible.

It's not like they're talking about quadrupling the display or something, this is a relatively minor 2x bump. The dual core processor coupled with the dual core graphics chip that's all but guaranteed to go into the next iPad could easily push a display like that. As far as cost is concerned, Apple has an extremely unique position in the tablet computer field. They're guaranteed to sell tens of millions of devices in the first year alone. They have unparalleled bulk purchasing power that will allow them to sell an ultra high resolution display while maintaining their infamously high margins.

Apple knows they're dominating in the mobile arena and they're not about to slip up. They've already got the software aspect nailed down and if they dominate in the hardware aspect as well, there's no stopping them. The first thing you notice when using any mobile device is the screen. Creating a screen that makes every other tablet computer look like it came from a decade ago is one of teh smartest things they can do hardware wise. Their biggest competitors are targeting, and just barely beating, the current iPad with their soon to be released tablets, (at least hardware wise) but when Apple drops a 2048x1536 bomb on them, they won't even see it coming and their pathetic attempts will look like last years news.

Well, in all honesty, they could use a significant upgrade on the software side too IMO, and hopefully we will see that with iOS 5.
 
I can't believe this. My 13 inch macbook pro has a resolution of 1280x800 and the iPad is like 2 inches smaller. This is insane. They better update the macbooks while they're at it. If Apple's gonna do this they're planning something big. Something resolution revolutionary. I hear talk that this enormous resolution would kill the battery charge and a larger GPU would also be needed so if this goes than Apple will stun their competitors for a while.

And what ever happened to the "retina display"? People naturally hold the iPad farther from their eyes than a phone so the resolution should not be doubled. Obviously, Apple wants the iPad to be bigger than life.
 
And what ever happened to the "retina display"? People naturally hold the iPad farther from their eyes than a phone so the resolution should not be doubled. Obviously, Apple wants the iPad to be bigger than life.

It's much easier to develop everything when all you have to do is double the pixels. Also, it allows to retain compatibility with existing apps by pixel-quadrupling ;)
 
Has everyone gone to an apple store recently and taken a look at the new MacBook airs? The 1400x900 resolution sounds pretty low on paper, compared to what we're talking about here, but seeing it for myself, I'd say it's pretty damn close to what I would consider a "retina" display.

Let's be realistic. Quadrupling iPhone's resolution = still hell of a lot less than what most computer screens are capable of. Quadrupling iPad's resolution = something apple has yet to introduce in any of its mobile products, and higher than most high-end monitors out there. By comparison, a 27" cinema display has about 3.6 million pixels, only about 500k more than the rumored resolution.

The company had a great opportunity to revamp the entire line with retina display technology (by this I mean the 300dpi standard) starting with the MacBook air. Why not? Why didn't the first gen ipad have gps, a camera, etc. even though it was available on a device a quarter of its size? And why do I think this rumor's just wishful and fantastic thinking? Price. The iPhone's price is subsidized. The iPad's is not. In the end, apple's not catering to a niche market. It's about getting as many of the things out to as many people as possible. Maybe further down the road we'll see
stuff like this. But definitely not now.
 
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The company had a great opportunity to revamp the entire line with retina display technology (by this I mean the 300dpi standard) starting with the MacBook air. Why not? ... Price.
How about Macs don't have developers making apps that are easy to pixel double (ui that is easy to double) or a previous precedent or even an immediately compelling reason to have a res increase. The MacOS doesn't even have finished support for it.

Small devices that you hold near your face or interact with via touch are greatly enhanced by the retina display. If you get a chance to go back to that Apple store, pick up a new iPhone 4 or new iPod and see if there are older models with the old screen. Read a web page full of text on both. It's certainly worthwhile on these types of devices and it has been done before.

As far as the price goes, Apple has continued to warn of thinner margins this year and also just invested multiple billions in unspecified supplier deals similar to the flash memory deals it made in 2005. The evidence just keeps mounting.

I'd bet Apple is going to show off retina for iPad, but I agree that something's gotta give. Im leaning towards $600 starting for a retina capable iPad, but I hope not.
 
Mac laptops, or any laptops, will never get such a high DPI display. They've got weak graphics cards, and will get around 4x less FPS than normal.

My 13" 2010 MacBook Pro can play Crysis: Warhead on Medium settings with 18+ FPS, or ~40 FPS, which would become ~4.5 FPS or 10 FPS which is unplayable.

Never... gunna... happen... not anytime soon, anyway. Even a GTX 580 only pulls ~28 FPS on Metro 2033 at 2560x1600 on High, with tessellation, etc., take tess. off and it's 60 but even so, that's 15 FPS on a 5120x3200 resolution display and still is only about ~230 PPI.
 
I think double pixel density may be for a smaller iPad

The current iPad has excellent resolution for video delivery. Do we really need 1080p on a pint sized screen?

Perhaps Retina resolution levels would benefit very tiny print sizes on the current iPad for text delivery, but that level of resolution seems mainly useful on the iPhone and iPod Touch because the screen is so small to begin with. Also I wonder how much weight Apple gave to improving user experience (perceived sharpness) on the Touch and iPhone with the Retina display, and how much weight was given to having a uniform video display resolution across the product line so software could be designed more simply.

If uniform display resolution is the real issue, so apps don't need to be scaled and so full iPad apps will display on smaller devices, then the new pixel density makes perfect sense - on a device smaller than the current iPad but larger than the current Touch.

In short, I believe it is very possible the double pixel density points to a smaller iPad, not the current iPad with a sharper screen.

It just doesn't make sense for Apple to come up with a new resolution to support with additional software - much less all the hardware demands such an incredibly high resolution would put on the current iPad. The rumored improved hardware (cores, faster gpu) might be better used for other purposes (like Flash - ha ha - or better multi-tasking).
 
Never... gunna... happen... not anytime soon, anyway.
Seems you are presuming that Apple only makes sales of laptops to people who care about gaming and that those gamers wouldn't know to lower the effective resolution for when they are playing to keep the fps the same.

It's possible Lion could bring resolution independence to the MacOS in a major way and that Displays with higher DPIs would then be highly desirable. Doesn't seem like it would happen this year. Devs will have enough to sort out in making their apps fullscreen-oriented and made to maintain state when quit. Making Mac apps look good at any dpi is going to be a tougher job (by far) than doing it for retina displays on the iDevices.
 

Good sobering points. Mostly that he has trusted sources telling him otherwise. Nothing conclusive, though.

The reason the retina display is so exciting to me is BECAUSE it's so improbable and surprising and yet... just barely possible. lol. So, I'll be hopeful up until the official reveal.

If it's not in iPad 2, the pressure will be on for iPad 3. :) I'm starting to think this family is going to be buying one every year or close to it.
 
Good sobering points. Mostly that he has trusted sources telling him otherwise. Nothing conclusive, though.

The reason the retina display is so exciting to me is BECAUSE it's so improbable and surprising and yet... just barely possible. lol. So, I'll be hopeful up until the official reveal.

If it's not in iPad 2, the pressure will be on for iPad 3. :) I'm starting to think this family is going to be buying one every year or close to it.

When Gruber posts something like this about Apple accept it as gospel. He took his time to post something in-depth on the insane rumours doing the rounds because he wanted coerce good information from his trusted sources. He simply hates being wrong.

Not that this rumour needed any confirming. :rolleyes: I laughed out loud the moment I read it. I can't believe so many tech sites picked up on this and discussed it as a realistic possibility. I find it very hard to imagine you'll see an iPad with a 2048 × 1536 display next year either.
 
I think I was just confused because every time I read about the iPhone 4's Retina display, they referred to it as "doubling" the resolution from the 3GS, even though it was quadrupled as well.

You were not confused. You were correct.

While the total number of pixels quadrupled, the resolution did not, because resolution refers to either total dots in each row, or dots per inch in a row.

The correct terminology is that the pixel resolution doubled in both directions. And "both directions" is assumed unless someone specifies only in the vertical or horizontal direction.

That's why everyone says "doubled", including Apple when they talk about "pixel-doubling".

Anyone who tries to say the resolution quadrupled, no doubt has the best of intentions, but they're mixing terminology.
 
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You were not confused. You were correct.

While the total number of pixels quadrupled, the resolution did not, because resolution refers to either total dots in each row, or dots per inch in a row.

The correct terminology is that the pixel resolution doubled in both directions. And "both directions" is assumed unless someone specifies only in the vertical or horizontal direction.

That's why everyone says "doubled", including Apple when they talk about "pixel-doubling".

Anyone who tries to say the resolution quadrupled, no doubt has the best of intentions, but they're mixing terminology.

Is there a defined term for the total pixels that doesn't boil down into an acronym like DPI or PPI? This would be especially helpful if they changed screen sizes, as you couldn't even say the DPI quadrupled then.
 
Is there a defined term for the total pixels that doesn't boil down into an acronym like DPI or PPI? This would be especially helpful if they changed screen sizes, as you couldn't even say the DPI quadrupled then.

Pixel count?
 
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