iPad 2 vs xbox 360?

[vistadude]

Look at the iOS games. The graphics, sounds, and fps don't compare to consoles. You might say the PSP is spec-ed similar to the PS2, but in actual use, it doesn't compare at all to PS2 graphics, and more importantly gameplay.

The ipad is for casual gaming ... aka poor graphics capabilities compared to modern consoles and computers. That being said, the games could be as fun as what consoles have, but the selling prices are so low for iOS games, I don't see many major publishers bringing high end games with replay value like modern warefare 2.

 

[Cmegamighty]

One's Portable, one's not. There

 

[MRU]

If we are going to have discussions over iPad and console gaming, could we use at least something comparable.

iPad 2 is using an Arm Dual Core processor with dual core SGX543MP2

iPad 3 will undoubtably use higher tech, possibly Quad core CPU and the SGX543MP4 (The exact same GPU that powers the new Sony NGP playstation portable).

We already know from Sony's own admission that whilst this still wont produce PS3 or 360 graphics, it will be pretty close.

Sony hope to release its arm based NGP in Japan at the end of this year and spring 2012 in Europe & USA.

The problem for Sony as I see it is that this will be the same spring time frame as the iPad 3 with very similar specifications, but offering more storage and possibly that illusive retina display.

I truly believe the battle for portable gaming will happen in 2012 as Apple & Sony go head to head. Whilst the 3DS will have its niche and Nintendo fan base, Sony are coming from one last commercial failure (psp go) and whilst specs are impressive for the NGP 'now' when 2012 comes it will no longer have the spec advantage and we can only assume Apple's iPad user base will have grown by another 20 million with the iPad 2.

Unless Sony bring out the NGP for $399 or less (hard to imagine it being less given its tech), it is going to suffer hugely when a Retina Display, Quad Core SGX543MP4 iPad 3 hits the market for $499 in March 2012.

Especially given the amount of games and the vastly lower pricing of them on iOS compared to the usual 10-15 launch titles for consoles at $50 a go.

Apple are the genuine threat for Sony's handheld.

 

[WilliamG]

It does not have the same power as a PS3. It's games can look as good as PS3 games. That's a pretty important difference. Rendering graphics for a handheld vs rendering graphics for HDTVs is a big difference. It takes less power to reach current gen levels of graphics when your screen is that small.

What on earth? The resolution of iPad is 1024x768. 99.9% of 360 games are 1280x720. There's no argument there. Infinity Blade for iPad 2 looks as good as anything I've seen on 360, and in some ways looks BETTER (texture distance, draw distance etc).

 

[baummer]

An iPad 2:Xbox 360 comparison is a true apples to oranges comparison, and to be frank, doesn't really matter. They are completely different devices running completely different operating systems and hardware. It's not as important what tech specs they share so much as the experiences they deliver. While both devices may share a common activity (gaming), they are by no means similar beyond that. One is designed exclusively for gaming, the other is designed for a myriad of activities and functions.

 

[rovex]

If we are going to have discussions over iPad and console gaming, could we use at least something comparable.

iPad 2 is using an Arm Dual Core processor with dual core SGX543MP2

iPad 3 will undoubtably use higher tech, possibly Quad core CPU and the SGX543MP4 (The exact same GPU that powers the new Sony NGP playstation portable).

We already know from Sony's own admission that whilst this still wont produce PS3 or 360 graphics, it will be pretty close.

Sony hope to release its arm based NGP in Japan at the end of this year and spring 2012 in Europe & USA.

The problem for Sony as I see it is that this will be the same spring time frame as the iPad 3 with very similar specifications, but offering more storage and possibly that illusive retina display.

I truly believe the battle for portable gaming will happen in 2012 as Apple & Sony go head to head. Whilst the 3DS will have its niche and Nintendo fan base, Sony are coming from one last commercial failure (psp go) and whilst specs are impressive for the NGP 'now' when 2012 comes it will no longer have the spec advantage and we can only assume Apple's iPad user base will have grown by another 20 million with the iPad 2.

Unless Sony bring out the NGP for $399 or less (hard to imagine it being less given its tech), it is going to suffer hugely when a Retina Display, Quad Core SGX543MP4 iPad 3 hits the market for $499 in March 2012.

Especially given the amount of games and the vastly lower pricing of them on iOS compared to the usual 10-15 launch titles for consoles at $50 a go.

Apple are the genuine threat for Sony's handheld.

Firstly, news has it the NGP will release before 2012 in Europe first, not Japan as you say. And then subsiquently in Japan and the us in January or early February 2012 - which is not spring. To add, news has it the NGP will retail for £299 wifi only model (there will be a 3G version). Which is of course, almost £150 difference between the entry level iPad and it will have a higher resolution screen for it's size and OLED display which the iPad has not. superior GPU and CPU with a touch panel at the back. And these specs have actually been ANNOUNCED.

As for the rest of your post, conjecture, conjecture and conjecture. There is absolutely no way of telling that the iPad 3 will have retina. Or that it will have a quad core CPU and GPU.

Most importantly, the iPad will NOT be a threat to the NGP in terms of gaming for core users. NGP has buttons IPad has not. Buttons are what inriches gaming experience. Tapping a virtual button to shoot on the iPad doesn't come anywhere close to pressing a shoulder trigger. NGP will reportedly be cheaper than the iPad and have all the features the iPad has plus far more. The thing is real gaming machine.

 

[MRU]

Firstly, news has it the NGP will release before 2012 in Europe first, not Japan as you say. And then subsiquently in Japan and the us in January or early February 2012 - which is not spring. To add, news has it the NGP will retail for £299 wifi only model (there will be a 3G version). Which is of course, almost £150 difference between the entry level iPad and it will have a higher resolution screen for it's size and OLED display which the iPad has not. superior GPU and CPU with a touch panel at the back. And these specs have actually been ANNOUNCED.

As for the rest of your post, conjecture, conjecture and conjecture. There is absolutely no way of telling that the iPad 3 will have retina. Or that it will have a quad core CPU and GPU.

Most importantly, the iPad will NOT be a threat to the NGP in terms of gaming for core users. NGP has buttons IPad has not. Buttons are what inriches gaming experience. Tapping a virtual button to shoot on the iPad doesn't come anywhere close to pressing a shoulder trigger. NGP will reportedly be cheaper than the iPad and have all the features the iPad has plus far more. The thing is real gaming machine.

State the bleeding obvious!!!!!

Of COURSE my post is conjecture WTF do you think I have a crystal ball ?

As for release date - anything on the web about the NGP is likewise conjecture & rumor as nothing official about release date or pricing has been announced by Sony. Same with release territories etc..

A Feb 2012 release date is 1 month difference

Oh and £299 = $480 (I said $399) if you didn't know $480 IS closer to the price of an iPad in the USA.



As for graphics hardware.

If the iPad 2 has a SGX543MP2 - its a safe bet that an iPad 3 would have an improved CPU & GPU. The next step up would be a SGX543MP4 - yes it's conjecture and hypothesis, but it's one based on logic.

As for retina display I said

possibly that illusive retina display.

It's safe to say Sony FAILED with the PSP Go. People did not want to pay $30-50 for a downloadable game compared to physical media.

iTunes App Store big games at $10 are far more tempting. Even if development costs increased and prices likewise to $15-20 for major titles on iOS - that is still a massive price incentive over $40-50.

 

[amarcus]

Ill post some screenshots of a renderer test with a PS3 and an iPad 2 hooked up to the same HD TV (I have programed the render test to output at 1080i on the iPad 2 using the new accessory, so it will be rendering the same stuff the PS3 is).

I'd love to see that. I think everyone is so caught up on raw performance that there forgetting how much of a difference architecture plays.

Adam

 

[jlw2387]

Really people? What is the point of this thread! Who cares? Haven't we learned over the years that graphics quality doesn't mean squat?

 

[DS3]

God some people need to relax, it's just trivial forum fodder. Greatest thread ever? No. Demands to be opened, read, and insulted by peope not interested? Give me a break, keep scrolling sown the thread list.

Anyway, it's not at 360 level but it's certainlynot in between the ps1 and ps2 as someone tried to say... We have had 0 games fully made for the iPad2, but infinity blade and real racing 2 look better than your random ps2 game and are rendering at a much higher resolution... and as said the iPad res is not that far from the standard 720p of this gen. It can at least compete in some targeted ways, but not overall power. Of couse, you could fit 6 ipad 2s in a launch 360/ps3 with so it's quite impressive.

Though power is obviously just one part, console games have a controller, huge dev budgets supported by 60 dollar prices and are free to use a full DVD or blu ray.

Anyway, playing IB and RR2 HD is certainly impressive.

 

[eye]

Come see my new threads:

iPad 2 vs. a coffee maker

iPad 2 vs. A giraffe

iPad 2 vs. My sock

 

[rovex]

State the bleeding obvious!!!!!

Of COURSE my post is conjecture WTF do you think I have a crystal ball ?

As for release date - anything on the web about the NGP is likewise conjecture & rumor as nothing official about release date or pricing has been announced by Sony. Same with release territories etc..

A Feb 2012 release date is 1 month difference

Oh and £299 = $480 (I said $399) if you didn't know $480 IS closer to the price of an iPad in the USA.



As for graphics hardware.

If the iPad 2 has a SGX543MP2 - its a safe bet that an iPad 3 would have an improved CPU & GPU. The next step up would be a SGX543MP4 - yes it's conjecture and hypothesis, but it's one based on logic.

The head of SCEA has stated Europe will be the first territory for the release of the NPG, I'd say that's enough substance. And if you DIDN'T know, the likelihood of the IPad 3 entry level price increasing is very high when you say there will be retina and such implemented. To add, the UK never get a fair conversion rate, just because you converted the £299 to dollars DOESN'T mean it will retail for that price or even close to that price. Just look at the 3DS, cheaper in the states and more expensive in the UK even though if you do the conversion it should be cheaper in the UK. Thanks for proving my point however, that the NGP will still be cheaper than the current IPad 2 (and future iPad 3 certainly) and yet is twice as powerful a machine.

And using 20 smilies in a post doesn't make you look very or more clever.

 

[Piggie]

How about iPad2 vs Gamecube?

 

[henrikrox]

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The mobile tech is moving way faster then consoles. Maybe down the line. We Will see a powerful tablet with gaming capabilites.

Got to thinking how nice it would have been I'f apple made a Bluetooth controller.

 

[elistan]

Really people? What is the point of this thread!

It has the potential to be an interesting discussion about the advances in computing power since November 22, 2005 (the US release date of the Xbox 360.) Can a 1.3 lbs, 8.8 mm thick device with a 10-hour battery compete with a large, noisy, power-hungry (176 W) console prone to heat related failures? If the iPad 2 has Xbox 360 level graphics performance, the implications are huge for mobile gaming. If it doesn't, then we know to temper our expectations.

Who cares?

The answer is not relevant to a light-use user browsing Facebook, but to an avid gamer or a game developer the answer, whatever it is, is quite interesting. To a tech geek, the discussion is just cool because tech advances are exciting for their own sake.

Haven't we learned over the years that graphics quality doesn't mean squat?

Personally, no, I haven't learned that. I'm quite glad the graphics quality on my Xbox 360 is so much better than on, say, the old Atari 1600 I had as a kid.

 

[Gomff]

Some folks on here need to chill out, it was just a simple question about where the iPad is at compared to a 6 year old console. it's no big deal.

The NGP's success will not just be riding on it's technical specs. A lot depends on whether Sony have learned any lessons with regards to the eco system. A huge part of iOS's success is the ease with which people can develop and sell apps for it. Sure, there will be big games made for the NGP by big studios that have budgets out of the reach of small devs, but it's whether Sony allow smaller devs to come up with innovations and other uses for the device so that it's more than just a gaming device.

When the original PSP came out, almost everything on it was locked down....You couldn't even load up one of your own movies on it that ran at native resolution....That sort of ****** just won't fly these days and if they continue with that mentality the NGP will not be a big commercial success.

The iPad and other iOS devices bridge the hardware gap by developer friendliness. With HDMI compatibility, that's only going to intensify. If Apple allow a gamepad accessory, then both full size and portable consoles are going to seriously start feeling the heat even more.

 

[jlw2387]

Personally, no, I haven't learned that. I'm quite glad the graphics quality on my Xbox 360 is so much better than on, say, the old Atari 1600 I had as a kid.

I also happy that the movie Gigli was filmed in a nicer quality than Casablanca, but it doesn't mean it's better. I remember when I was young at was so amazed at how good the PS1 looked compared to a SNES, then I grew up. This whole discussion is absurd. Here is your answer: no, mobile gaming hasn't caught up with consoles yet. If it had then the Xbox redesign last year would have been the size of an Ipad+DVD Drive.

 

[sanford]

Wow. Funny you should mention this. My iPad just got the RROD.

 

[ajvizzgamer101]

Handhelds are about a generation behind the consoles.

 

[Piggie]

I also happy that the movie Gigli was filmed in a nicer quality than Casablanca, but it doesn't mean it's better. I remember when I was young at was so amazed at how good the PS1 looked compared to a SNES, then I grew up. This whole discussion is absurd. Here is your answer: no, mobile gaming hasn't caught up with consoles yet. If it had then the Xbox redesign last year would have been the size of an Ipad+DVD Drive.

But is HAS caught up with past consoles.

It's interesting to know from a technical point of view what level it's at.

Personally I think Visuals are ahead of speed with the iPad, that also has a lot to do with years of skill and experience by talented games programmers these days using their well developed "tricks" to make us believe what we are seeing on our screens.

Consoles I'm certain the iPad is better than.

Sega Master system.
Nintendo NES
Nintendo SNES
Sega Megadrive
Nintendo 64
PS1

I'm not 100% about

Gamecube
PS2
Dreamcast


And don't think it's quite at
Original Xbox
levels.

What do you think?

I don't think it's to a level where it could duplicate the original HALO on the Xbox.

 

[ajvizzgamer101]

But is HAS caught up with past consoles.

It's interesting to know from a technical point of view what level it's at.

Personally I think Visuals are ahead of speed with the iPad, that also has a lot to do with years of skill and experience by talented games programmers these days using their well developed "tricks" to make us believe what we are seeing on our screens.

Consoles I'm certain the iPad is better than.

Sega Master system.
Nintendo NES
Nintendo SNES
Sega Megadrive
Nintendo 64
PS1

I'm not 100% about

Gamecube
PS2
Dreamcast


And don't think it's quite at
Original Xbox
levels.

What do you think?

I don't think it's to a level where it could duplicate the original HALO on the Xbox.

I am pretty sure Gamecube is only slightly worst than Xbox in terms of graphics. Anyway, I think N.O.V.A. looks way better than Halo: CE. There are far more details.

 

[sanford]

Angry Birds looks pretty good on mine.

Seriously, the latest dedicated portable gaming platforms will always outperform, in some way or another, multifunction devices. If you want fantastic portable gaming specs, wait for the Sony NGP. If you want the uniqueness of 3D w/o glasses in a portable, wait for the Nintendo 3DS. If you want something that does a lot of things well, not just games, get an iPad or iPhone.

 

[Zackmd1]

I am pretty sure Gamecube is only slightly worst than Xbox in terms of graphics. Anyway, I think N.O.V.A. looks way better than Halo: CE. There are far more details.

Another thing you haft to consider is programing. Programing 10yrs ago might not take as much advantage of the hardware as programing now. I still think it's just a little better then the original xbox.

 

[elistan]

I also happy that the movie Gigli was filmed in a nicer quality than Casablanca, but it doesn't mean it's better. I remember when I was young at was so amazed at how good the PS1 looked compared to a SNES, then I grew up.

Sure, not every 360 game is automatically better than every 2600 game. But are you suggesting that 8-bit graphics like on the Atari 2600 are plenty good enough for modern gaming? That something like Mass Effect or Call of Duty would be just fine when rendered in 128 colors and hours per frame instead of frames per second?

This whole discussion is absurd. Here is your answer: no, mobile gaming hasn't caught up with consoles yet. If it had then the Xbox redesign last year would have been the size of an Ipad+DVD Drive.

The discussion is absurd, and yet you're participating? Looking at the few Xbox stats I could find, sure, it seems the iPad 2 isn't as powerful. But it's been an interesting discussion in the meantime, eh? (Personally, I would have loved an iPad sized Xbox. Then I wouldn't have had to deal with the fan noise, giant power brick, and worries about leaving it in an enclosed space while playing. )

 

[Charlie Sheen]

the xbox has those afwul 3 red light that prevent you from playing with it. the ipad ion the other hand doesn't have as nice looking games