ipad 3 and stylus

[Night Spring]

the exact same reasons why i'd like the 3 to come with a stylus

But not everyone needs a stylus. So for people who don't need it, a stylus would be just another piece of junk that collects dust in a drawer. I think the current way, where people who need a stylus goes and buys one, works pretty well. Perhaps Apple will eventually come out with their own stylus, just like they now sell keyboards and docks and smart covers for the iPad. But I think it should be an optional purchase, not something included in the box.

 

[SHirsch999]

Anyone know anything about the stylus that comes with the Samsung Note? Is it only usable on that device, or can it be used on, say, an iPad too? Not that I would get the Note just for the stylus, but I was thinking that if it worked well on that device, then it could be mass produced, or another similar stylus, for other devices as well.

After reading all of the talk about styluses (or is it styli??) and kinda wanting one myself, a part of me thinks that maybe Steve Jobs was not correct about them. Or maybe he just did not see what the iPad would become in the terms of usefulness in education or business. I can these devices essentially replacing paper and pen for many tasks. However, writing with a finger just feels weird and seems very inefficient. Maybe I am wrong, wouldn't be the first time....

 

[DeusInvictus7]

Steve Jobs wasn't wrong about not having a stylus. The primary input of how a tablet/touchscreen should work is with your fingers, because it's more natural.

A stylus is for specific, defined uses, not for everyday navigation of menus and normal usability. And in the education/business field, a stylus would definitely make sense.

If Apple can find a way to have an active stylus without having a receiver like the iPen, then that would be awesome. Most passive styli are just too fat to make handwriting easy. The only passive stylus that I've seen that may work well is the oStylus Dot. Only the first people that have bought the original oStylus have access to it for now, but so far it looks to have a much more pin point tip compared to "finger-like" tips on most passive styli.

I'll post a picture if I can later of it.

EDiT: they posted a YouTube video of it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOG4Mwuet2k

 

[mgipe]

So your (sic) prefer the Azusa tablet over the iPad for that reason?

Certainly not! However, the iPad is unusable for that application, and my best alternative is the Asus, which is a full Windows tablet PC. I would gladly replace it with an iPad if the iPad would work.

I would also like to be able to use the iPad to replace pen and pad for note taking. I have half a dozen apps for that, but none works well enough to allow me to ditch the paper.

 

[cjbryce]

this is your best bet if it actually works well and if it will be supported by many apps.

i'll wait till the reviews are out and if people like it and there is no lag than I get one.

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1225098940/ipen-the-first-active-stylus-for-ipad

This looks great - I'll definitely get one. For me the one thing missing from iPad is the ability to take "proper" notes, I can't type quickly enough and finger-writing and thick stylii just don;t cut it for me. If this Cregle device can be make to work with handwriting to text then so much the better.

 

[Michael1978]

I have been for the ipad, but it's quite thick. I hope for an elegant one

 

[Cobster]

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Stylus?!? - No way... No need to ruin a perfect design...

 

[whoathere]

I highly doubt there will be a stylus

 

[DeusInvictus7]

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Stylus?!? - No way... No need to ruin a perfect design...

So you're saying you'd rather write things down with your finger? If you don't want to use a stylus, don't use one. It'll never be the primary way of interacting with a touchscreen anymore. But for us who want to replace pen and paper someday, a proper active stylus is really the only way to go, like that iPen posted above.

 

[urkel]

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Stylus?!? - No way... No need to ruin a perfect design...

Yes, why add functionality and versatility to something that is touted as the future of paper and portable computing.

Just because they add a stylus or voice doesn't mean it can no longer support traditional input methods. These things ADD to the experience.

 

[Saladinos]

The problem with styluses is that for a capacitive stylus, you need a high-resolution touchscreen.

Typically, the touchscreen is designed to pick up finger-sized contact points, which are quite big and so it doesn't need a whole lot of precision. If you tried to write on one of these screens with a fine-point stylus, it probably wouldn't even pick it up.

So you need a higher resolution (read: more expensive) touchscreen, and you need controller chips that are capable of processing that amount of data without introducing noticeable lag.

Don't be confused in to thinking that this would be helped by any retina display: that's the resolution of the screen, not the touch-sensitive overlay that is glued on top. They don't need to (and probably won't) increase the touchscreen resolution even if they increase the panel resolution.

 

[Dreamer2go]

I dont think Apple will make a stylus for an ipad.

3rd party vendors will do =)
And they make very decent ones too!!!

 

[intervenient]

I could care less if Apple made a stylus. I just want them to provide developers to have the ability to do be able to make programs that can fully support handwriting. All they really need is a digitizer in it, and I'd be happy.

 

[DeusInvictus7]

I could care less if Apple made a stylus. I just want them to provide developers to have the ability to do be able to make programs that can fully support handwriting. All they really need is a digitizer in it, and I'd be happy.

Agreed, having an active digitizer will help a lot it creating what we all in this thread want to achieve.

The only styli that I've ever seen work properly, on any platform, are the Wacom ones. If Apple can partner up with Wacom to create a proper digitizer to be part of the iPad display, ala Wacom Cintiq tablets, then that would be awesome. However, didn't Samsung partner with Wacom to produce the S Pen for the Galaxy Note?

 

[Cobster]

Stylus are fine...I just do not want to se it as part of an iPad design...

 

[Hello...]

Still prefer my fingers but ran across this free on from best buy if anyone want to try one without investing a penny.
http://pages.emailinfo2.bestbuy.com...80ee68ab170d842900&ref=39&CJPID=552179&loc=01

 

[touchmonkey]

Still prefer my fingers but ran across this free on from best buy if anyone want to try one without investing a penny.
http://pages.emailinfo2.bestbuy.com...80ee68ab170d842900&ref=39&CJPID=552179&loc=01

Thanks.

 

[iZac]

I guess there are 3 technological hurdles to a (good) stylus on iPad;

1) pressure sensitivity and input precision on a rigid glass panel -
This is probably the only genuine hurdle (i.e. needs major R&D) to a pen filled iPad life - I'm sure there are many ways to handle it, with cameras, active pens, etc - but Apple have to test and develop a system that brings no compromises to the aesthetic and functionality of the device and doesn't undermine the primary input method - fingers.

2) the distance between the pixel and the pen nib -
integrating the panel, touch matrix and glass into a thinner and tighter sandwich helps this. could be problematic with the extra tech needed to support problem 1

3) handwriting recognition technology -
I've found the Macs handwriting recognition to be pretty crap when using a Cintiq, but then again so is it's voice recognition, and Siri has proven so much better than what OSX has to offer.

If Apple nail all three of those, we can eagerly look forward to an iPad that supports a $70 optional pen accessory, which can be stored in a $40 optional smart cover with a pen pocket.

 

[AppleDApp]

I guess there are 3 technological hurdles to a (good) stylus on iPad;

1) pressure sensitivity and input precision on a rigid glass panel -
This is probably the only genuine hurdle (i.e. needs major R&D) to a pen filled iPad life - I'm sure there are many ways to handle it, with cameras, active pens, etc - but Apple have to test and develop a system that brings no compromises to the aesthetic and functionality of the device and doesn't undermine the primary input method - fingers.

2) the distance between the pixel and the pen nib -
integrating the panel, touch matrix and glass into a thinner and tighter sandwich helps this. could be problematic with the extra tech needed to support problem 1

3) handwriting recognition technology -
I've found the Macs handwriting recognition to be pretty crap when using a Cintiq, but then again so is it's voice recognition, and Siri has proven so much better than what OSX has to offer.

If Apple nail all three of those, we can eagerly look forward to an iPad that supports a $70 optional pen accessory, which can be stored in a $40 optional smart cover with a pen pocket.

I'm all for it.

 

[LaazyEye]

I guess there are 3 technological hurdles to a (good) stylus on iPad;

1) pressure sensitivity and input precision on a rigid glass panel -
This is probably the only genuine hurdle (i.e. needs major R&D) to a pen filled iPad life - I'm sure there are many ways to handle it, with cameras, active pens, etc - but Apple have to test and develop a system that brings no compromises to the aesthetic and functionality of the device and doesn't undermine the primary input method - fingers.

2) the distance between the pixel and the pen nib -
integrating the panel, touch matrix and glass into a thinner and tighter sandwich helps this. could be problematic with the extra tech needed to support problem 1

If only wacom could develop a paper thin digitizer to rest behind the LCD...

I think your number 2 is somewhat negligible as all the citiq users seem to get over this relatively quickly.

 

[iZac]

If only wacom could develop a paper thin digitizer to rest behind the LCD...

I think your number 2 is somewhat negligible as all the citiq users seem to get over this relatively quickly.

That't true, it is pretty minor, just I recall it was an odd feeling of separation when I borrowed a friends cintiq. I did only use it for a couple of weeks though.

I guess the biggie is that we all hope Apple is diligent enough to try and better the technology behind touch interfaces and don't consider the current system as 'good enough'

 

[Manilae]

I think the iPen is actually the best you can get. Im looking forward buying it when i get my iPad 3. The normale stylus on the market are not realy got for taking notes etc. I wanted to try to do a year in my master studies just on the ipad ^^.

Does anybody already have the iPen ?