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'iPad 4' Headed for October Launch with iPad 3 as Interim Upgrade?

QUIT making this stuff up!

you know damn well that apple will release one revision once a year at the most. now the idea of a 2 and 4 core has probably rattled some exec's brain, I'm pretty sure Steve has had a release schedule made up for the next 10 years so they don't end up with 25 different iPads available at once. apple doesnt spread itself too thin. They learned those lessons hard while steve was running NeXT.
 
I hate rumors like these, because now instead of actually looking forward to the iPad 3, I'll just look ahead to the iPad 4 and get the superior model.
 
I'd like to see Apple start updating twice a year. It would drive the competition insane. They couldn't come close to keeping up.
 
9.7" is kind of lame. If Apple wants to compete in the education and business market, it needs to move to a larger screen. Samsung is bringing out an 11"+ tablet with retina display before the iPad 3 comes out....

The larger screen would allow comfortable reading of textbooks, magazines and standard PDFs, which are currently painful to use on the iPad.

If Apple doesn't move into this segment, it will lose it forever.
 
macUser2007 said:
9.7" is kind of lame. If Apple wants to compete in the education and business market, it needs to move to a larger screen. Samsung is bringing out an 11"+ tablet with retina display before the iPad 3 comes out....

The larger screen would allow comfortable reading of textbooks, magazines and standard PDFs, which are currently painful to use on the iPad.

If Apple doesn't move into this segment, it will lose it forever.
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larger?! really? i see absolutely no need for the size to change at all. i can understand those clamoring for a smaller screen, but i cannot see the need for anything larger at this point in time.
 
HobeSoundDarryl said:
I didn't critique someone else's approach to data analysis. These "someone elses" are swearing by a pattern based upon 2 iterations.
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Sigh. No, they're not.

HobeSoundDarryl said:
Apple has repeatedly demonstrated that they generally do NOT follow patterns...
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On the contrary, they tend to follow patterns quite regularly. Occasionally, those patterns get adjusted.


HobeSoundDarryl said:
...We just saw that with no new iPhone at WWDC after a fairly regular, apparent link to launching new iPhones there. Now, they make one change, and this crowd has pretty much adopted a Fall to Fall "pattern" for iPhones...
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And this actually fits with the pattern, if you've been paying attention to what the pattern is and accept that it undergoes adjustment every now and then. It is also possible that last year represented a one-time shift, and this year it'll be back to the WWDC. That is regarded as less likely, as that would mean a dramatically shorter development cycle between the iPhone 4S and the iPhone 5.

HobeSoundDarryl said:
I am not predicting when it/they will launch. I'm suggesting there's no pattern.
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And this is precisely what suggests that you don't understand data analysis and pattern recognition.

HobeSoundDarryl said:
There's a buying guide on this site. Note how it doesn't predict specific dates or even a specific month for product launches.
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Of course it doesn't. They don't have access to Apple's production schedule. They don't know all of the factors that are being considered as to when a product will be released. So, all they can do is make predictions based on history.

HobeSoundDarryl said:
Based on your post, I went to it and looked at iOS devices in search of a pattern vs. outliers. It shows iPhones as 2/08, 7/08, 6/09, 6/10, and 10/11. What's the pattern there?
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You might want to try a better source for your data.

HobeSoundDarryl said:
Please take your superior:rolleyes: approach to data analysis and show me the pattern and then please use it to correctly call when an iPad 3 will be launched and whether an iPad 4 will launch this year or next. We all want to know for certain.
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Consider the following:

iPhone 6/2007
iPhone 3G 6/2008
iPhone 3Gs 6/2009
iPhone 4 6/2010
iPhone 4s 10/2011

iPod Touch 1st Gen 9/2007
iPod Touch 2nd Gen 9/2008
iPod Touch 3rd Gen 9/2009
iPod Touch 4th Gen 9/2010
iPod Touch 4th Gen update 9/2011

iPad 1 3/2010
iPad 2 3/2011

So, as I would hope you can see, the iOS devices have a solid track record of annual releases. The only violation of this, at this point, since the release of the first iPhone, has been the four month delay of the iPhone 4s. (Note that I'm neglecting the CDMA version of the iPhone 4, as it wasn't a product update, simply an alternate version of an existing product released mid-cycle. However, it is easy to argue that the CDMA iPhone 4 played into the choice to delay the iPhone 4s...)

Now, you can roll your eyes at me all you want. I have a master's degree in physics, I've worked in graduate research labs, I've done research level data analysis. Call my attitude superior, if it makes you feel better, but I do have a pretty good idea of what I'm talking about...
 
I really don't understand these stupid rumors. This was rumored to happen last year, never happened. It is clear to any sane person that there will be only ONE iPad every year.
 
Apple will not release 2 iPads in one year. Cause you need to time the product cycles just right. One year seems right. Less seems a bad idea.

MacRumors made the same rumour before saying the an iPad 3 will come in the same year as the iPad 2. Even after Jobs himself said "2011 = year of iPad 2".

Some people just don't learn. There will not be an iPad 4 this year. There probably till be an iPad 3 and that's it.

MacRumors staff - a question.
Why are you posting this nonsense when it was 100% false before and is probably false now too. I do agree that MacRumors should post all rumours. Even ones as so full of non-sense as this one.

There will not be an iPad 4 this year. If anyone wants to believe them I say they can. I on the other hand live in the real world where iOS devices are have a roughly annual product cycle.

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This rumour post (first post here) has a score lower than -25 for a reason. It's a BS rumour. Just stuff someone read or made up and an article written about it. No one from M-R actually thought "hey we posted this BS last year and it was 100% false, heck even Jobs said it was BS". So we'll post the same BS again this year.

This just proves the M-R staff think they know better about Apple's hardware release dates then Apple does itself. Cause what M-R wants to believe is exactly the opposite of what Apple has said and done in the past.

I don't know why I post here still after seeing BS articles like this.

So far there is 8 pages of posts telling that this is a BS rumour.
 
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PlaceofDis said:
larger?! really? i see absolutely no need for the size to change at all. i can understand those clamoring for a smaller screen, but i cannot see the need for anything larger at this point in time.
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Really?

Try reading a standard PDF, or a Zinio magazine (or any of the myriad magazines available as PDFs), or a travel book, text book, etc., on the iPad. It's a very awkward experience, involving a lot of zooming and scrolling.

Hell, even a standard web page is often too small to comfortably view on a 9.7" screen.

As I said, if Apple doesn't do it, others will.

I'd rather have an iPad, but if it's not available in a larger size, I'll end up with something else -- just like I did when I moved from the iPhone to a Nexus S (and just ordered a Galaxy Nexus).
 
Dear MacRumors...

[rant]

Dear MacRumors,

Can we please dispense with the OBVIOUSLY fake rumors about off-schedule major hardware releases? There is little evidence to show that any of these rumors have ever been true (http://www.splatf.com/2011/10/apple-product-cycles/), as in less than a 12 month product cycle (if anything, they're traditionally longer than 12 months). If I remember correctly, it has never happened while Steve Jobs was with the company and doubt it will be broken any time soon after his death. There is NOTHING to gain-business wise-by shortening your product refresh cycle to less than 12 months. It pisses consumers off!

There are qualified and unqualified leads. These types would fit under "unqualified" and most likely a ruse to find an internal leak. In which case you're biting the hand that feeds by publishing this type of unqualified rumor.

[/rant]

Thanks.

- Jason

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AppleScruff1 said:
I'd like to see Apple start updating twice a year. It would drive the competition insane. They couldn't come close to keeping up.
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Yes, and neither could the suppliers nor the consumers. You obviously know nothing about product management or business. A 12-18 month product sales cycle with a 24 month R&D run up per product is typical in the industry. This is because of what the market will bear (supplier and consumer) and what is financial sustainable for a new product cycle (R&D). This formula alongside stable product configuration pricing has served Apple very well since 1998. They do have more cash in the bank than the Pentagon, so they must be doing something right, huh?
 
Yup...

Snowy_River said:
Sigh. No, they're not.



On the contrary, they tend to follow patterns quite regularly. Occasionally, those patterns get adjusted.




And this actually fits with the pattern, if you've been paying attention to what the pattern is and accept that it undergoes adjustment every now and then. It is also possible that last year represented a one-time shift, and this year it'll be back to the WWDC. That is regarded as less likely, as that would mean a dramatically shorter development cycle between the iPhone 4S and the iPhone 5.



And this is precisely what suggests that you don't understand data analysis and pattern recognition.



Of course it doesn't. They don't have access to Apple's production schedule. They don't know all of the factors that are being considered as to when a product will be released. So, all they can do is make predictions based on history.



You might want to try a better source for your data.



Consider the following:

iPhone 6/2007
iPhone 3G 6/2008
iPhone 3Gs 6/2009
iPhone 4 6/2010
iPhone 4s 10/2011

iPod Touch 1st Gen 9/2007
iPod Touch 2nd Gen 9/2008
iPod Touch 3rd Gen 9/2009
iPod Touch 4th Gen 9/2010
iPod Touch 4th Gen update 9/2011

iPad 1 3/2010
iPad 2 3/2011

So, as I would hope you can see, the iOS devices have a solid track record of annual releases. The only violation of this, at this point, since the release of the first iPhone, has been the four month delay of the iPhone 4s. (Note that I'm neglecting the CDMA version of the iPhone 4, as it wasn't a product update, simply an alternate version of an existing product released mid-cycle. However, it is easy to argue that the CDMA iPhone 4 played into the choice to delay the iPhone 4s...)

Now, you can roll your eyes at me all you want. I have a master's degree in physics, I've worked in graduate research labs, I've done research level data analysis. Call my attitude superior, if it makes you feel better, but I do have a pretty good idea of what I'm talking about...
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Forgot about the short turn around on the 3G and 3GS, but that was more due to a regutting, like the iPhone 4S. The two odd releases they are, but might be due to similar reasons. The 3GS was "early" because of the 3G network support that all Android devices were going to have later that year, and Apple wasn't gonna suck hind teet. The 4S and 5 delay may have very well been a similar issue, where the carriers in this case were behind Apple's plans for 4G guts in a new iPhone.

All that aside, yes, the major Apple product refresh cycle has been every 12+ months since 1998. Anyone with any sense of any technology product history will see that pattern, with few exceptions. Those exceptions being mostly before the year 2000, during the MHz wars. The whole industry learned that a less than 12-month refresh cycle is insane for anything but internal tweaks, e.g., speed bump or added peripheral interface. The R&D costs, as well as third-party and supplier lead times are just ridiculous for any less time. Companies would go out of business because people wouldn't buy their products in enough quantities to cover costs with a shorter cycle.
 
I think if Apple was worried the IPad 3 would be outclassed they would delay it to the summer to give it a better spesification. We hear these rumours all the time.

I think it's just incase Andorid release something amazing. Nothing has beat the iPad 2 yet so they could always keep to a March schedule. Better cameras and retina should be enough.

There's talk of a smaller iPad aswell I can't see all these rumours happening unless Apple change policy and release multiple devices every year like Samsung. The only credible thing is the IPad 2 sticks around like the 3GS. Makes sense rather than a smaller tablet people can get a cheaper iPad 2.

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PlaceofDis said:
larger?! really? i see absolutely no need for the size to change at all. i can understand those clamoring for a smaller screen, but i cannot see the need for anything larger at this point in time.
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As soon as Samsung release something bigger even if it's too big people think its the way forward. The same people who want a 4" IPhone and those who won't be happy if it stays 4" so the IPhone 6 or 7 will have to be a 4"5.

Apple have got it right. Maybe people should consider that before saying bigger is better. Quality, user ability and perfect size it's why we all love Apple products. :D
 
Happy with my 2 for some time, and don't imagine upgrading until something really innovative happens. I always upgrade my iPhone and sell the old one on eBay (best photos possible from a phone are integral to my business). Don't feel like I'll always want the newest iPad, though. Keeping up with the latest would become maddening these days.

Also, Walt Whitman just whispered from my boot sole, "O! singularity!"
 
Apple will never release two iPad versions in the same year. Maybe if it was 2002 and Apple was still the underdog and maybe if the iPad wasn't a it.
 
To be completely honest you'd have to be blind to not see where this is all going.

Lion has iOS interface built-in.

Why do that?

Wait for it...
 
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