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better speakers, led flash, pen support and improved processing specs would be welcome, but my two cents are on a half-baked product, just to mark the difference with the Pro. Apple can't raise prices too much and will never give up on high profit margins
 
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doubt it. Mini is dead man walking. I really don't see a bright future for that product.

http://www.aboveavalon.com/notes/2015/11/24/peak-ipad-mini

I don't know that the Mini is dying off just yet. The data presented seems somewhat cherry-picked and I don't even see an sources or citations. But in any case, with 3 active iPad lines I think we will be seeing staggered upgrade cycles. In fact, we already have been. The Air and Mini were basically on par with each other in 2013. In 2014, the Air got an upgrade and the Mini for all intents and purposes didn't. In 2015 the Mini got an upgrade and the Air didn't. In 2016 it looks like the Air will be getting an upgrade so I'm guessing that the Mini won't or it will be another very superficial one like in 2014. Too soon to say how the Pro's upgrade cycle will fit in.
 
I don't know that the Mini is dying off just yet. The data presented seems somewhat cherry-picked and I don't even see an sources or citations. But in any case, with 3 active iPad lines I think we will be seeing staggered upgrade cycles. In fact, we already have been. The Air and Mini were basically on par with each other in 2013. In 2014, the Air got an upgrade and the Mini for all intents and purposes didn't. In 2015 the Mini got an upgrade and the Air didn't. In 2016 it looks like the Air will be getting an upgrade so I'm guessing that the Mini won't or it will be another very superficial one like in 2014. Too soon to say how the Pro's upgrade cycle will fit in.

I thought I read that the Mini was almost outselling the Air?
 
I thought I read that the Mini was almost outselling the Air?

I don't know about that. I have a feeling that the 9.7" will continue to be the iPad flagship. It's the happy medium between the Mini and Pro for most people.
 
Apple would be daft not to add Pencil support for the Air 3.
No, they would be stupid not to add 3D Touch to the iPad Air 3, because that's what it needs to run universal iPhone and iPad apps. Apple Pencil is a pro-accessory which needs pro-hardware and pro-software to be any useful. It's not an iToy for people who are bored with their iPad Airs.

The iPad Pro couldn't be worth $799, $949 (128GB) and $1079 (Wi-Fi+Cellular), if the same technology was also available at iPad Air price points. And the iPad Air couldn't keep its market and profit share, if it was even more expensive. The difference between Air and Pro is not just size.

The Pro has another job to do, it's got to appeal to people who otherwise would buy a Surface Pro for $1000+ to do so-called real work. It's got to compete with Intel-powered Tablet-PCs. Just like the iPad mini's main job was to be cheap enough to keep people from buying Android tablets.
 
What the hell is wrong with people here?

There are a list of new things now, on the iPhone and iPad Pro that COULD be introduced into the standard sized iPad.
Of course apple won't add all these missing items into the iPad on one go.
Come on, you know that......

Even if they could. Why would they?
Marketing/Sales wise it would be silly, and they won't.

They will add SOME of the items they could add this time around, leaving other aspects they can add in, the following year.

We must all know this.
 
I wonder will Apple upgrade the RAM on the iPad Air 3 to 4 GB. If they do, I'm retiring my iPad Air and replacing it with this. :)

You're STILL on an original iPad Air? I gotta give you props, man. I HAD to jump ship to the Pro when it came out because my Air was getting just too slow (and it had been at 0 KB free space for months). Poor thing ran like it was on the verge of death.

I think the problem was the lack of RAM and having no free space. I thought 32 GB back in 2013 would be plenty... then a 25 GB Music library came along. Safari also constantly refreshed tabs, and it was very annoying.

Now that I have 128 GB of storage and 4 GB of RAM (instead of 1 GB), everything runs so fast now -- like it should be. :)

So props for rockin' an Air!

(I love how I make it seem so amazing, yet people are still using their iPad 2s... :p)
 
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Regarding pencil support. Apple will have a very good idea how many Pencils they've sold, relative to the number of iPad Pros. If there is a relatively high proportion of Pencils to iPPs, the assumption is that it's one of the big selling points of the iPP.

If the number of Pencils to iPPs is low, there would seem little harm in rolling out support for the new Air. They'll sell more Pencils! Same could be said for the keyboard cover.

That said, I just don't think they are making enough pencils to keep up.
 
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Next year I will wait until March to get the iPad Air 4 but Apple will not upgrade it so I will assume no upgrades that year and buy the Air 3....

Then 3 months later they will release the Air 4
 
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I can remember the outcry of some people here on MR who wanted the iPad mini to have the same specs as the Air. "Difference should only be size" and "I'd even pay the same price" were not unusual comments iirc.
Yes, but that's not how the world works according to Apple. It's beneficial to manufacturing to offer as few variants as possible and it's beneficial to marketing to diversify over those few variants as much as possible and also offer different price points to get the most money out of each customer. That's why size, power and price are always linked in Apples go-to-market strategy. Everyone would want Pencil support at no additional costs, but only professionals and rich people will pay up the price to actually get it. The iPad mini is the poor mans iPad, because there must be at least one more affordable variant to serve the price-sensitive market. This model will get the new chip one year later and some features will never propagate down to the smallest, cheapest, slowest iPad. The big exception of that rule was 2013, when Apple wanted to make the 64-bit transition as quickly as possible and both iPad Air 1 and iPad mini 2 both got the same A7 chip at the same time.
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Because it is too big and too expensive?
If iPad Pro is too big and too expensive than you don't care enough about Apple Pencil.
 
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if the iPhone 7+ is more compact than the current 6s+, my wife and myself will be dumping our iPads. We are barely using them as is (she has air 2 and I got mini 4). Our older daughter has already transitioned to just iPhone/MacBook (she used to have iPad 3) and we will do the same given that we both have already laptops.

In my opinion the iPads were great when smartphones were still small and the laptops just sucked (size/battery life etc). Now that the smartphones are bigger and even cheap laptops are fairly powerful, compact and offer good battery life, I just cant see how a device like an iPad is all that beneficial or useful. Yes, it has its uses, but as the other two categories improve (smartphones and laptops), the iPad will have tougher and tougher time convincing people that they need one (iPad).
 
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Regarding pencil support. Apple will have a very good idea how many Pencils they've sold, relative to the number of iPad Pros. If there is a relatively high proportion of Pencils to iPPs, the assumption is that it's one of the big selling points of the iPP.

If the number of Pencils to iPPs is low, there would seem little harm in rolling out support for the new Air. They'll sell more Pencils! Same could be said for the keyboard cover.

That said, I just don't think they are making enough pencils to keep up.
If the Pencil is proving to be really popular I could see Apple bringing it to the Air line. I'm not so certain about the keyboard though. My guess is the Pro will always be differentiated with an X variant of the A chip and more RAM. And it might get new features first. I think 3D Touch will be completely dependent on whether they're able to get it working properly on larger displays.
 
I thought I read that the Mini was almost outselling the Air?
Apple only ever reports sales numbers for iPads as a whole. Everything else you've read was an educated guess by someone who believes to be an analyst. And all this guessing is informed by personal preference, ownership of device and what was new at that time. Because there is no current 4-inch iPhone and iPhone Plus is not a total flop, some people believe phablets will eat small tablets market share entirely. But a new smaller, cheaper iPhone could outsell the plus-size as soon as next quarter and provoke new predictions. We'll never know. You better only ask yourself what size fits me?
 
I hope the new ipad is going to be a nice upgrade and a huge boost in performance.
 
I think that people who are hoping for pencil support will be disappointed, as the latest iOS betas put more restrictions on the use of the pencil. All speculation, but the iPad Pro needs a few tricks that are not available on other iPads. Slightly more likely seems 3d touch, but even that might be hoping for too much.

How have they restricted the Pencil in the latest iOS betas? That's bad news. :(
 
In my opinion the iPads were great when smartphones were still small and the laptops just sucked (size/battery life etc). Now that the smartphones are bigger and even cheap laptops are fairly powerful, compact and offer good battery life, I just cant see how a device like an iPad is all that beneficial or useful. Yes, it has its uses, but as the other two categories improve (smartphones and laptops), the iPad will have tougher and tougher time convincing people that they need one (iPad).
It's always tough to convince people they need a second iOS device. All iPhone owners big or small, have less reason to also buy an iPad. But that's also true the other way around, iPad owners have less reason to buy a big, expensive iPhone Plus or an even more expensive MacBook. (Assuming Android and Windows are perceived as cheap trash not worth owning at all.) iPads with more memory and faster processors are the most powerful iOS devices with a higher longevity than iPhones and they are cheaper too. Unless you actually have to call people, I don't know why to own an iPhone?
 
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if the iPhone 7+ is more compact than the current 6s+, my wife and myself will be dumping our iPads. We are barely using them as is (she has air 2 and I got mini 4). Our older daughter has already transitioned to just iPhone/MacBook (she used to have iPad 3) and we will do the same given that we both have already laptops.

In my opinion the iPads were great when smartphones were still small and the laptops just sucked (size/battery life etc). Now that the smartphones are bigger and even cheap laptops are fairly powerful, compact and offer good battery life, I just cant see how a device like an iPad is all that beneficial or useful. Yes, it has its uses, but as the other two categories improve (smartphones and laptops), the iPad will have tougher and tougher time convincing people that they need one (iPad).

Well Said!
 
All I have wanted for the Air 3 is Pencil support, 3D Touch (won't get that), Smart Connector, and better speakers than the Air 2. Let's see what happens.
 
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A more hybrid iOS/OSX OS would also help sales.

That's something I've thought about as well--iOS may need to have more OS X features if they really want tablets like the iPad Pro to be laptop replacements. The Surface Pro actually runs Windows 10 and it feels more like a laptop with a touch-screen than a tablet. But as much as I like my iPad Air 2, I find myself often going back to my MacBook many times simply because it's faster and more "functional"--I often find something I "can't do" on the iPad or at least can't do efficiently.
 
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