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Although this is good to see iPad Air getting some good features, I could never downgrade from the iPad Pro. It truly is the best apple device I have ever owned.
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Size makes all the difference.
I could almost buy two iPad Airs for that price though...
 
I would never go back to 9.7" screen, totally in love with my Pro <3
Sounds like a nice upgrade though

I like having options, but the 9.7" does feel cramped now. I mostly use my iPad Air for reading books/news in bed, but the Pro is better for pretty much everything else.
 
That's why I didn't really see the point of the iPad Pro. I was hoping they would just add 4 GB of memory to the iPad Air, and eventually incorporate pencil support. (4 speakers I could take or leave). And it was inevitable that the iPad Air would eventually get the same processor.

That's why Apple should've named it iPad Plus, not iPad Pro.
 
I'll definitely be upgrading from my iPad 3rd generation. It just can't keep up anymore. I'm hoping the iPad Air 3 will get the A9X chip, although I doubt it will considering its in the iPad Pro and Apple won't want to cannibalise sales.
 
This makes a ton of sense. iPad pro is about size, not functionality. Lets get serious keyboard cases for regular iPads.
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I don't see why it's a problem. Technology is going to advance. You get new features in high-end devices first. That's what you're paying for. But eventually that tech is going to make its way to lower end devices unless its held up arbitrarily. And if Apple does that, they open the door for another company to come in and eat their lunch. They have to push things forward.

Pro is not just about size, it's about performance & capability. Look at rMB vs rMBP. The rMB is much more powerful, CPU / GPU wise and and more capable due to the amount of expansion through TB / USB.

If the only the thing that's different betwee an iPad Air 3 and iPad Pro is screen size, then it isn't a Pro device anymore. It's essentially an iPad Plus.
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If the next iPad can use the pencil then it means that iPad pro sales are not stellar and that they need something to increase the stagnating sales of he regular iPad.

The iPad Pro has been out for only two months. Way too early to call failure on this product.
 
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Hi,

based on the fact, that the iPad Pro's sales numbers could be better and declining iPad (mini/air) sales numbers, Apple has to improve the existing iPad air to keep the buyer's interested.

If the "pro" is of no success it also might get axed sometime down the road. It all comes down to development cost vs. sales numbers.

Based on these facts, Apple might steer the iPad Air product line closer to a smaller iPad pro.

The pencil, the speakers and also the connector are likely candidates to show up in the next gen air.

But what about the price-tag? Well... it's all calculated through accessory. The pencil is about 100 bucks right? So - if you buy the pencil you pay with it for the tech in your iPad. Actually the tech in the iPad is worth only a dollar or two.

Licensing costs for the keyboard dock-connector thingy will also very likely generate money for Apple.

Maybe the device gets a RAM increase, since the iPhone 6s also got one.

I would prefer not having a 4k screen, since it only eats up ram and cpu. The resolution on the air is good enough imo.

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Darky

Could be better? What? Where you getting your number for this 2 month old device?
Supposedly it sold more than 10% of Ipad numbers (what analysts ), that's what 1.5M+ in less than two months.
With the pen being essentially backordered up into January. Doesn't look like something that sold less than expected, but much more than expected.

I'm kinda tired of people building like strawmen and using that in their argument and expecting people to just accept it at face value.
 
I could almost buy two iPad Airs for that price though...

I love my iPad Pro and the Pencil is awesome. It's weird at first because it is an awkward pane of glass to hold but I got a case for it and that made all the difference. If not for the pencil, it is almost crazy to buy if your not an artist. I don't recommend it for most people. But for drawerers erreers ereres... It beats paying double+ for a Wacom cintique which has thicker glass and a less accurate stylus. I hated my Wacom 5 touch tablet. Drawing on the Pro is near paper like it is just awesome

When is apple going to remove all the buttons and make the entire unit a screen you can't hold without accidentally opening apps? Hah
 
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Four speakers are a great addition, no doubt. And the way Apple has implemented stereo sound is wonderful. When I owned the iPad Pro—I returned it—it was one of the more startling additions.

But for me, the decision to upgrade will come down to 3D touch and the Pencil.
I dont think 3D Touch would be that useful, even though I try to use it all the time. But the Apple pencil will make me upgrade.
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There's no way the new iPad will be Pencil-compatible; that would almost totally nullify the distinctiveness of the iPad Pro (and it's massive price increase).
Besides the massive screen, and 4gb ram.
An iPad Air with Apple pencil would be great for note taking, but wouldn't replace the purpose of iPad pro. It would also help apples stagnant iPad sales, as most, including me, have no reason to upgrade.
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The Air line will NOT get pencil support. Not for a while anyways. Why would Apple botch iPad Pro sales? Either way, it will be interesting to see what actually comes out. I don't get the "flash" support on an iPad? Who uses those devices as a camera?
It could be apples plan all along to have an iPad Air with pencil support. Could be why the margins on the pencil are so high. The pro could just include the pencil on the next version.
 
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Are 4 speakers really a big deal..?

How many people are buying an iPad thinking this a priority consideration? An nice addition maybe, but if you can afford an iPad Pro, or an iPad Air 3, you are likely to have (and will still need to have) invested in a proper audio solution if sound quality is your thing.
I agree with you up to a point. At the moment, there exist some portable bluetooth speakers whose quality of the sound ranges from baddest to mediocre. So, even half-good speakers on the iPad would save the user from €30 to €300 depending on the bluetooth speaker. It's not exactly a bad deal.

I listened to the speakers on the iPad Pro - they cannot compare to the hifi systems but aren't bad, either. and I appreciate the possiblity to place the iPad wherever I like, so yes, I regret that my Air 2 does not have 4 speakers like the Pro. Mind you, I won't be upgrading because of the speakers. Will put up with the inconvenience of pluging it in and out to my Creative speakers for the next few years.
 
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Okay, well that's one use, anyway. So all the power is for video editing?
Gaming is also supposed to demand every bit of performance available. Some 80% or so of all apps sold in the App Store fall under the category games. When they showed off Metal, their low level graphics language, they demonstrated what it can do for games. But it also helps with professional graphic apps, every app for Apple Pencil. Larger office apps, running big data bases. In short, everything that was limited by ARMs slower performance is now possible on iPad Pro. Intels monopoly is destroyed.
 
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There's no way the new iPad will be Pencil-compatible; that would almost totally nullify the distinctiveness of the iPad Pro (and it's massive price increase).
Apple wants to drive sale units and the iPad Pro aren't selling. iPad Pros may continue to get new features first, but don't bet on nost of those features not making it to the Air. Also, don't rule out a price drop for the Pro. We shall see in a couple of weeks anyway.
 
doubt it. Mini is dead man walking. I really don't see a bright future for that product.

http://www.aboveavalon.com/notes/2015/11/24/peak-ipad-mini

Its sales are about 18 millions units per quarter, which is a good business. Its sales have stabilized last quarters after upgrade. As it remains an entry model with lowest price, any quality upgrade to it could be very boosting. For example, support of Apple Pencil will make it a great note taking machine.
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Apple wants to drive sale units and the iPad Pro aren't selling. iPad Pros may continue to get new features first, but don't bet on nost of those features not making it to the Air. Also, don't rule out a price drop for the Pro. We shall see in a couple of weeks anyway.

I would like to see price drop for Pro line and its accessories. They remain very expensive and should be priced below MBA and Macbook Pro lines, not compete with them.
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No! It is far from dead. Dead man walking would be iPod.
iPods are safe as people do still need small music players. If anything, their chips should be upgraded for HD audio and they will sell again.
 
doubt it. Mini is dead man walking. I really don't see a bright future for that product.
http://www.aboveavalon.com/notes/2015/11/24/peak-ipad-mini
Absolute nonsense, there hasn't been an iPad mini worth buying before the mini 4 and that came a year late to challenge the iPad Air 2. The mini 3 was famously a non-upgrade, only fingerprint sensor and gold color. The mini 1 was no-retina no-buy. So only the mini 2 had modern specs at the same time as the bigger iPad, which at that time was the pencil-thin iPad Air 1 redesign and the mini 2 was also hold back by Gamutgate. With only four questionable datapoints, we can't make reliable assertions about interest in the form factor. Period.
 
Its sales are about 18 millions units per quarter, which is a good business. Its sales have stabilized last quarters after upgrade. As it remains an entry model with lowest price, any quality upgrade to it could be very boosting. For example, support of Apple Pencil will make it a great note taking machine.
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I would like to see price drop for Pro line and its accessories. They remain very expensive and should be priced below MBA and Macbook Pro lines, not compete with them.
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iPods are safe as people do still need small music players. If anything, their chips should be upgraded for HD audio and they will sell again.

That 18 million sales figure is for the ENIRE iPad line. My previous comment that you replied to was referencing iPad mini specifically.
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Absolute nonsense, there hasn't been an iPad mini worth buying before the mini 4 and that came a year late to challenge the iPad Air 2. The mini 3 was famously a non-upgrade, only fingerprint sensor and gold color. The mini 1 was no-retina no-buy. So only the mini 2 had modern specs at the same time as the bigger iPad, which at that time was the pencil-thin iPad Air 1 redesign and the mini 2 was also hold back by Gamutgate. With only four questionable datapoints, we can't make reliable assertions about interest in the form factor. Period.

The phablet will eventually cannibalize the iPad & small tablets in general. This will also help push sales of larger screen tablets.
 
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All this AND pencil support any my gen1 mini is getting replaced. No pencil, no replacement.

Have you tried Pencil by Fifty Three? I LOVE it and use it on my iPad Air. I like its style and features and think it is way cooler than Apple's Pencil. Too bad they had to try and steal the name from Fifty Three.
 
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You are contradicting your source of information (taken from that blog): as you can see, iPad mini sales are down but stabilizing at 18 million per quarter. Exactly as I told you.
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Are 4 speakers really a big deal..?

How many people are buying an iPad thinking this a priority consideration? An nice addition maybe, but if you can afford an iPad Pro, or an iPad Air 3, you are likely to have (and will still need to have) invested in a proper audio solution if sound quality is your thing.

I have an iPad Air and did not opt for the Air 2 since there wasn't much of an upgrade. However I am very much looking forward to the Air 3 having 4 speakers and better screen, etc. and that would be enough for me to upgrade to the Air 3. I REALLY thought I would want iPad Pro but after seeing it, I think it is just bigger than I want - portability is not as convenient IMHO.
 
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