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Like the Air, iOS 7 needs some attention

Buying the iPad air was a no-brainer for me since my iPad 3 with cellular was stolen at the end of September. My experience with the iPad Air has been a great one however, iOS 7 needs some polishing.
 
It's outpacing the 4 because Apple decided to launch the 4 six months after launching the 3. They blindsided us
 
My wife and I were both considering iPad mini retinas this time around to replace our aging 3rd generation iPads, but with the same specs, and new form factor we decided to get iPad airs.

We will see if people share your view when both the retina Air and Mini are sitting next to each other.
 
It's a great upgrade but too soon to let go of my iPad 4!

That's why I skipped the 4 and went with the Mini. I had a 3 already and though I liked it I wanted something fresh (despite being under powered) so I sold my 3 and went with the Mini and it's done great to hold me over until the Air came out.

The 3 and 4 were both stop gap iPads... iPad Air is iPad Retina perfected.

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iPad Mini retina will outpace iPad Air. :cool:

Not in 2013 it won't. Cause nobody will be able to find one. :p

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iPad 2 was released over 2 years ago and it's still the king. Maybe the average person doesn't care about retina display.

Ha! Try convincing the spec-whores on THIS site of that... to them the second "Retina" was discovered all computer monitors and any device that didn't have more than 264 PPI were suddenly "a blurry mess", that they can't read. :p
 
... and as much as this sounds like typical Apple fanboi-ism, it's the honest truth.

I too did something similar yesterday at Harvey Norman. I played with the Air, and then played with some Samsung tablets. The experience was so jarring that I too, laughed. What was immediately obvious was the poor response of the touch detection, and the slow and jittery transitions and animations. The frame-rate seemed very poor.

On another note, my 64GB White Air arrived today and I am super happy with it. Although the glass seems to have some minor amounts of flex. It feels a little more like plastic when I tap the glass. But I guess that happens when you make everything thinner?

I'm buying the air for personal use and i get a surface 2 pro from work. I was so exiting because you can use Photoshop on it, playing pc games and it's a tablet . But now i hear it's heavy , thick and battery life sucks. MS Should hire Apple engineers to build their tablets...
 
That's why I skipped the 4 and went with the Mini. I had a 3 already and though I liked it I wanted something fresh (despite being under powered) so I sold my 3 and went with the Mini and it's done great to hold me over until the Air came out.

The 3 and 4 were both stop gap iPads... iPad Air is iPad Retina perfected.

I never had any other iPad so it's fine I have the 4. However, I disagree with perfection part. All 1st new design Apple products do have flaws and compromise. The Air is one of them with iOS 7 issues, no fingerprint scanner, smaller battery (even though battery life is similar to iPad 4). I'll wait it out until it gets things like a fingerprint scanner.
 
These sales are really impressive and the device is absolutely beautiful but I have an iPad mini and its serves me well for now. But there is something that worries my about apple strategy to get high sales figures and why it won't last and makes these graphs utter nonsense or just for a wall pissing contest.

iPad 3 was released in 10 countries, iPad 4 was released in 26 countries, iPad Air was released in 42 countries. Does anyone else see a pattern here? How long can we expect to see sales figures of apple devices beat the last gen and what will happy when/if the day that iPad, iPhone don't?
 
The 3 and 4 were both stop gap iPads... iPad Air is iPad Retina perfected.

Every iPad is a stop gap iPad until the next generation. ;) When we see the next iPad Air we'll marvel at how much faster the new iPad Air is compared to the old one, and the subsequent updates will bring even more changes, such as more RAM, thinner display with lamination, etc, etc.
 
Every iPad is a stop gap iPad until the next generation. ;) When we see the next iPad Air we'll marvel at how much faster the new iPad Air is compared to the old one, and the subsequent updates will bring even more changes, such as more RAM, thinner display with lamination, etc, etc.

I disagree and here's why; The iPad 2 was the perfected iPad model... (thinner lighter faster) then they created the monstrosity that was the iPad 3rd gen.

It was like they "frankensteined" extra parts and tweaks they had decided were cool and put it into the body of the iPad 2. The 3rd gen iPad was thicker, got too hot for comfort and was "as slow" if now slower than the iPad 2 for tasks. The 4th gen was the same freakish monster but with a new "brain" (processor) and they changed the port. The Air really is the first iPad perfected since the iPad 2.

Will the next iPad be "better"? Of course, but just like how most people feel the "S" models of iPhones aren't always worth the upgrade. This was 2 additional generations of the iPad with the same design but failed to improve much and in fact had steps backwards (minor performance issues, heat issues and heft/thickness).

The iPad 3rd gen I owned wasn't a bad device. But within a week I was already having second thoughts and wondering if I should have kept my iPad 2 instead of given it to my daughter... it wasn't that much better and despite what some of the people on here say, retina display isn't the make or break feature for the iPad. The iPad Air I have no regrets buying... and I spent even more this time around.

The only possible 2nd thought I could possibly have about owning it is because the iPad Mini Retina exists... but it's in a totally different class.
 
I never had any other iPad so it's fine I have the 4. However, I disagree with perfection part. All 1st new design Apple products do have flaws and compromise. The Air is one of them with iOS 7 issues, no fingerprint scanner, smaller battery (even though battery life is similar to iPad 4). I'll wait it out until it gets things like a fingerprint scanner.

The fingerprint scanner is a novelty/gimmick and is no more secure than a passcode. I wouldn't turn it down in an iPad but I certainly don't think it matters. It has much less meaning than MIMO or even the noise cancelling dual mics... is it new tech? Yes... it's even very cool. But I don't see an extreme use for it. It's about as useful as SIRI...

This isn't a new design... it's a bigger iPad Mini design... hardly "new". They got all the kinks out last year... I should know I had a botched one.

And this is the first time I have ever heard of a complaint of a smaller battery (which equals to a smaller size) with the same (actually about 30 min better) battery life. That's like saying ,"I love the Corvette but it drives too fast so it's a negative..."

It's fine that you want to justify your purchase. The iPad 4 is a good device, don't think I'm saying it's a bad device... but it's hardly an evolution of the iPad line... more of a sidestep that then stood around too long.
 
Yeah, the 4 was bit of a kick-in-the-ribs. It's an excellent product, and I upgraded from a 3 to a 4, but that shortened cycle made a lot of buyers hold off for the next [this] model.

why was the 4 a "kick in the ribs"? did your 3 stop functioning when it came out? did it get slower?

most of the millions upon millions of ipad customers didnt hold off. in fact, most average consumers (the majority of apple's customers -- not techies), had no idea what the release cycle was. they want an ipad, they get an ipad. thats why apple dropped the numeric name versioning.
 
iPad 2 was released over 2 years ago and it's still the king. Maybe the average person doesn't care about retina display.

how do you figure ipad2 is king? apple doesnt release per-model sales figures, but i doubt it sells more than the newer models. it appears to be popular with education and POS corporate.
 
why was the 4 a "kick in the ribs"? did your 3 stop functioning when it came out? did it get slower?

most of the millions upon millions of ipad customers didnt hold off. in fact, most average consumers (the majority of apple's customers -- not techies), had no idea what the release cycle was. they want an ipad, they get an ipad. thats why apple dropped the numeric name versioning.

I guess you didn’t read that I wrote :)

DT said:
It's an excellent product, and I upgraded from a 3 to a 4

I replaced my 3rd gen with a 4th gen - and I imagine my 3rd gen continued to operate at the same speed :) It didn’t bother me, I got a great trade, got a better product, all for about $10/month “rental” on the 3rd gen. ;)

My point: the compressed upgrade cycle really blindsided a lot of buyers. If they would’ve known a nicely improved product was ~6 months away, they might have waited - and the introduction after that short time meant less people upgraded (whether it was financially driven, or simply taking issue with Apple).

It’s pretty widely recognized [across the industry] that many people were a bit put off by the introduction of the 4th gen ... hence, the “kick in the ribs”.

Just relax, I think the 3rd and 4th gen were great products, and the Air even better, but that one shorted update cycle was a bit clumsy.
 
how do you figure ipad2 is king? apple doesnt release per-model sales figures, but i doubt it sells more than the newer models. it appears to be popular with education and POS corporate.

I just meant based on usage it's the king. I thought it was impressive considering it was released almost 3 years ago.
 
Tim Cooke wants to know where to send the check?

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The newest iPad better than the old ?!

U don't say!

Yeah because it's hard to believe Apple's tablets beat the crap out of any Android tablets including the overrated Nexus ones.
 
I disagree and here's why; The iPad 2 was the perfected iPad model... (thinner lighter faster) then they created the monstrosity that was the iPad 3rd gen.

Wait wait. The iPad 2 was "the perfected iPad" even though it was highly criticized here for the lack of Retina? Then the first iPad Mini must've been perfect from the beginning.

I love my iPad 2 and it really did have a ton of horse power for its resolution but it's not even close to being perfect. If you care about reading anything, the iPad 3 and 4 offer such better experience over the iPad 2 that it's really odd to call the iPad 2 "perfected" considering the big shortcoming.
 
Wait wait. The iPad 2 was "the perfected iPad" even though it was highly criticized here for the lack of Retina? Then the first iPad Mini must've been perfect from the beginning.

I love my iPad 2 and it really did have a ton of horse power for its resolution but it's not even close to being perfect. If you care about reading anything, the iPad 3 and 4 offer such better experience over the iPad 2 that it's really odd to call the iPad 2 "perfected" considering the big shortcoming.

How would they criticize the iPad 2 for lack of retina before they even came up with the term Retina Display? I don't know what you are talking about.

When the iPad 2 came out it was literally a perfect upgrade from the first gen. Dual core. Faster, thinner, awesome. Heck it's so good they still sell it (for too much $). 3 was an under powered update that though the screen looked good the performance was a horrible jump and I regretted that purchase.

If you're happy with what you have that's great. But having owned every ipad besides the 4th gen. To me this is the best update since ipad 2.
 
How would they criticize the iPad 2 for lack of retina before they even came up with the term Retina Display? I don't know what you are talking about.

The term "Retina Display" was coined for the iPhone 4 which was released back in 2010. It certainly existed and there was a fair amount of expectation on the iPad 2 having the Retina so people were disappointed.

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1082336/

If you're happy with what you have that's great. But having owned every ipad besides the 4th gen. To me this is the best update since ipad 2.

I agree with you. I just don't agree that the iPad 2 or the iPad Air isn't a "stop gap" model. Every Apple model is a stop gap until the next one. :D
 
The term "Retina Display" was coined for the iPhone 4 which was released back in 2010. It certainly existed and there was a fair amount of expectation on the iPad 2 having the Retina so people were disappointed.

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1082336/



I agree with you. I just don't agree that the iPad 2 or the iPad Air isn't a "stop gap" model. Every Apple model is a stop gap until the next one. :D

Damn... that was 2010 wasn't it? Didn't feel like it was that long ago when the iPhone 4 came out... You're right on that one. But I still say that the thicker models of the iPad 3 and 4 were definitely more of stop gap for the iPad Air.

Apple is known for making things sleeker and sexier every year... they don't fit the mold.
 
The fingerprint scanner is a novelty/gimmick and is no more secure than a passcode. I wouldn't turn it down in an iPad but I certainly don't think it matters. It has much less meaning than MIMO or even the noise cancelling dual mics... is it new tech? Yes... it's even very cool. But I don't see an extreme use for it. It's about as useful as SIRI...

This isn't a new design... it's a bigger iPad Mini design... hardly "new". They got all the kinks out last year... I should know I had a botched one.

And this is the first time I have ever heard of a complaint of a smaller battery (which equals to a smaller size) with the same (actually about 30 min better) battery life. That's like saying ,"I love the Corvette but it drives too fast so it's a negative..."

It's fine that you want to justify your purchase. The iPad 4 is a good device, don't think I'm saying it's a bad device... but it's hardly an evolution of the iPad line... more of a sidestep that then stood around too long.

Fingerprint isn't a gimmick. Very convenient on my 5S. I'm not a high level official. Fingerprint is good enough lol. I wasn't talking about the design directly, it was more about the iOS 7 issues on the Air. There are many videos. Obviously they will be fixed but still there.
 
Yeah, the 4 was bit of a kick-in-the-ribs. It's an excellent product, and I upgraded from a 3 to a 4, but that shortened cycle made a lot of buyers hold off for the next [this] model.

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I love the Mini form factor, and while I haven’t had any actual hands-on with the new Air, I _feel_ like I’m in the same boat as you, that the Mini is still a good bit lighter, smaller, and that with the new display (that’s a higher PPI than the Air), and the up-to-date SoC, it’ll be just about perfect (even if it got a little chubbier ... but we all tend to pick up a few pounds around Nov/Dec :D )

I got my 3 on ebay's daily deals like a month before the 4 was out...talking about getting kicked in the behind...:(
 
IPad Air adoption

the iPad air is a great product, and its not surprising that its being adopted so quickly. It would be interesting to get some more information on the breakdown of purchases - is it being driven by upgraders, new customers, business, education? Does the free iWork and iLife suite have any effect?
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. But there is something that worries my about apple strategy to get high sales figures and why it won't last and makes these graphs utter nonsense or just for a wall pissing contest.

Apple can't keep up the constant upgrading from lower devices long term. There is going to come a time where people will just not want upgrade and that is where we will see Apple struggle. I know two families that have purchased 3 iPads since 2010 and they also own iPhones, there is a lot of goodwill and hype about Apple products right now and it will not last forever.
 
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