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They're just making sure you realize that your iPad 4 is outdated and not "almost as good". You have to completely not want it anymore and be enthralled with the new king that's way, way, way better than any older iteration.

/TongueInCheekRant
 
The iPad 3 had the same, fast (at that time) A5 chip with quad-core graphics to handle the Retina Display, hence the X in the A5X. The iPad Mini was an entry tablet that had the same specs as the iPad 2, which weren't bad at the time although it could have used a Retina Display. Finally, the 5C is just the iPhone 5 in plastic and a new front camera and radios, which is still very fast.

Yea but the iPad mini is considered a slower product than the iPad, and 5c is a slower product than 5s. I guess the point is, the fact that the new product is faster, is considered news.
 
Ever since the iPad 3, I have been able to sell it for the next gen and only am short 100 some odd dollars I've had to pay out of pocket for it. I think it's definitely worth it to get the latest and greatest if you do it this way.
 
Do you own an iPad 3? I've had one since launch. The thing freezes and hangs up just visiting the App Store and iTunes. Even browsing Apple's main iPad website drops it to its knees. I'm not talking a stutter, I mean a complete freeze for a few seconds followed by jerky scrolling.

Touch ID is a good feature, but I can't imagine punishing myself for one more year with the 3 considering the new iPad has 5x the performance along with the complete design change and lighter weight.
Might want to reset your iPad 3 then. I've got a iPad 3 with iOS 7 and it isn't slow at all. My iPhone4 on the other hand was buggy and slow after upgrading to iOS 7. It wasn't until I reset it and set it up from scratch (without using a back up) that it was back to smooth sailing.

I did replace the iPhone 4 with a Gold 32gig iPhone 5S and the speed difference is night and day, but even now knowing the speed difference between the 4 and 5S -- I would choose not to upgrade if the 5S didn't have touch ID.
 
Without Touch ID, there's no chance I'd upgrade even given the somewhat sluggish performance of iOS 7 on my third-gen iPad.

If this year's iPad had all the specs it has now plus Touch ID, I'd be thinking long and hard about it.

TouchID isn't "that" good yet to hold off an entire purchase. All it really does is remove the password entry option. It's not NEARLY advanced enough for banking or hard-spec security purposes... It's purely "ease of use" at this point.

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Agreed. Sigh... What would have been the cost difference? Like... $2 to put in 1GB more?

There was no more room on the die. The RAM is built into the CPU die, so there is limited space ... But it's crazy fast! Versus being Ina separate chip.
 
Do you really think it's about money?

I think the cost would've been fragmentation, so keeping 1gb RAM in all the latest iOS devices is great news for the millions of people who use older devices, as well as developers.

This is an excellent point and worth repeating - Apple either focuses on the future entirely, or tethers itself a bit to the past to keep *existing* customers happy (for a generation or 3 max).

The whining about the memory that it should have been 2GB is really future whining, not today, from what I can tell of these early reviews (and knowing how today's iPads work quite sufficiently for most people with existing amounts of memory in machines with much slower chips). Still, it will be nice when memory isn't a bottleneck or tether in these devices, and I can't imagine it'll be that long till we're there.
 
TouchID isn't "that" good yet to hold off an entire purchase. All it really does is remove the password entry option. It's not NEARLY advanced enough for banking or hard-spec security purposes... It's purely "ease of use" at this point.
It's entirely ease of use. Apple has not otherwise advertised it as fool proof. I would say they've pretty much sold it as giving their customers the option of high security, but on a level of ease of use that doesn't cause them to defeat it.

A basic 4 digit pin is easy to use, but it's only basic security, and their average customer will still defeat it by using 1234, 4321, or 5683 (LOVE), their month and day of birth, or other guessable digits.

So it's a shame to me that Touch ID is 'backed up' by a simple 4 digit PIN, but baby steps. The rest of us can switch that out for an actual password (that hopefully isn't "password").
 
He has an iPad 3. While it might be a big jump in benchmarks to the Air, performance in day to day will be similar to existing units. His 3 already has retina. So unless the weight/size of the 3 is unbearable to him... it would only make sense to wait for a feature he wants before upgrading.

Btw, touch ID is awesome if you have long passwords and not 4 digit codes.


Lol dude going from the A5 to the A7 is a dramatic difference in daily use, going from a5 to a6 is a big difference already
 
This is an excellent point and worth repeating - Apple either focuses on the future entirely, or tethers itself a bit to the past to keep *existing* customers happy (for a generation or 3 max).

The whining about the memory that it should have been 2GB is really future whining, not today, from what I can tell of these early reviews (and knowing how today's iPads work quite sufficiently for most people with existing amounts of memory in machines with much slower chips). Still, it will be nice when memory isn't a bottleneck or tether in these devices, and I can't imagine it'll be that long till we're there.

Compiling your 32-bit app to 64-bit increased its memory consumption by 20-30% according to anadtech review. So basically the new iPad air has "800MB" compared to an iPad 4. Then iOS 7 grabs about 400MB of that, leaving you (running the 64bit version on the new vs running 32-bit on the old) with 400MB free relative to 600-700MB on an iPad 4.
 
If only they had given it 2GB of RAM. It would be fast for a few years.

You mean it would last a few years. They'll keep getting faster ever year regardless of RAM. The mobile CPU/GPU chips have not yet peaked whereas x86 chips have. It's going to get at least 25% improvements ever year until they hit 14nm unless the fab companies managed to do it right on the first try.

At the moment, only Intel is at that level. With yesterday's news that Intel might be fab'ing ARM chips for certain companies, Apple could jump on that if Intel's willing to do it.
Do you really think it's about money?

I think the cost would've been fragmentation, so keeping 1gb RAM in all the latest iOS devices is great news for the millions of people who use older devices, as well as developers.

Huh? That makes absolutely no sense to me. Adding more RAM does not add more fragmentation nor does it harm the developers and customers.

The developers can still release RAM-optimized apps for those older devices while opening it up on the latest models.

Remember, those are all 64-bit models, which means the developers can just optimize based on the existence of the 64-bit CPU.

By not doubling the RAM with the 64-bit models, developers now have to work harder to keep the app under control on 64-bit iOS that will be RAM-straved faster.

64-bit apps takes up 30% more memory, that means you just lost 1/3rd of 1GB automatically when switching over to all 64-bit optimized apps. With the iOS taking up some of the RAM, you basically now have a 512MB iPad or even less.


I wouldn't go that far. It is priced $100 cheaper, or 25% so you get what you pay for. You get a serious drop in quality when your price is reduced by that much. Like the difference between a $38,000 car and a $51,000 car.

What are you talking about? I might be misunderstanding you but in case you haven't noticed, iPad mini with Retina Display went up from $329 to $399, making it the most expensive 7-8" tablet on the market.

On that market, both Nexus and Kindle Fire HDX are much cheaper with the high resolution displays at 200$ at least.



What makes the iPad air faster than the 5si thought they were the same processor and graphics? Are they clocked higher or something?

Same SoC but clocked higher. They're fairly closed in many of the benches, even though the iPad is running at a higher resolution.

And it has a worse camera too and a smaller battery.

Funny how they failed to mentioned these. Had to wait until people got it in their hands, and by then it's too late.

Smaller battery is not a con. The iPad Air have better battery life than the iPad 4th gen, even though it is running a much faster CPU/GPU with a little bit higher power draw. However most apps don't eat up that much for long, so in the end the total power draw is lower than the iPad 4th gen.

That's precisely how they managed to get the weight and size smaller, by going with a smaller battery.
 
I find it surprising that the iPad Air is on par with the Nvidia Shield which is meant to be a gaming tablet.

I expected Apple would improve its gaming performance since it's largely an entertainment device. Between all the games and fart apps the kids love, moms & dads are spending big money.
 
You kids and your fancy new iPads. I'm still sailing along nicely with my iPad 2. Can't justify the expense of a new 32gig model over this one.

I love my iPad 2 and it still performs as flawlessly as it did when I bought it
on release day.

However, I will definitely check out the new one on Friday and if it is as good
as reported I will be walking out with one from my local Apple store.
 
Compiling your 32-bit app to 64-bit increased its memory consumption by 20-30% according to anadtech review. So basically the new iPad air has "800MB" compared to an iPad 4. Then iOS 7 grabs about 400MB of that, leaving you (running the 64bit version on the new vs running 32-bit on the old) with 400MB free relative to 600-700MB on an iPad 4.

Still haven't seen any reports about apps running slowly on the iPad Air, quite the opposite so far. Imagine we do, however, get a report at some point about such an app running slowly on the iPad Air - can't imagine it'll be anything but "slow as molasses in January" on previous iPads, and that's the point.
 
This is an excellent point and worth repeating - Apple either focuses on the future entirely, or tethers itself a bit to the past to keep *existing* customers happy (for a generation or 3 max).

The whining about the memory that it should have been 2GB is really future whining, not today, from what I can tell of these early reviews (and knowing how today's iPads work quite sufficiently for most people with existing amounts of memory in machines with much slower chips). Still, it will be nice when memory isn't a bottleneck or tether in these devices, and I can't imagine it'll be that long till we're there.
Great news for owners of older devices. Bad news for people looking to buy the latest iPad.

Having the original mini with the innerds of the iPad2 was already the good news for owners of older devices.
 
I thought the new ipad mini had the same processor as the new ipad air? why are they using the old mini model to compare. of course its score is low it has a ipad 2 processor in it. Lets see the new ipad mini also what the heck.
 
So YouTube videos will play faster, right? And I can watch more of them in less time?
 
Do you really think it's about money?

I think the cost would've been fragmentation, so keeping 1gb RAM in all the latest iOS devices is great news for the millions of people who use older devices, as well as developers.

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Also worth mentioning, the new Samsung Galaxy Note 3 has a whopping 3gb of RAM and judging by the reviews I've read, it's still a poor performing, laggy piece of ****.

Hahaha! Good to know. I am still buying an iPad mini with retina. But I don't think upping the RAM to 2GB would have done the iPads any disservice.

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RAM is not like a processor that can be ramped up or down. It has to stay powered.

Thus, more RAM means worse battery life.

So what does adding more gain you? On a Mac where you run many programs at once, it does a lot! Putting a lot of RAM in your Macbook is a great idea, even if the battery takes a hit. But in an iPad where you only see one app at a time? Well, you get a longer memory footprint for past apps...things further back in time can still load quickly. But you don't get the ability to run more apps at once the way you would on a Mac.

If you're flying through tons of iPad apps, that might matter. If you're constnatnly flipping back and forth between two, though, you may never see the benefit of that extra RAM.

So what you're asking for is a thing that will only benefit some of the people some of the time in certain situations but will definitely kill battery life for everyone all of the time.

Not an attractive idea when you say it like that.

iOS device RAM is not going to grow as quickly or as high as Mac RAM will. The benefits of more RAM quickly taper off when it comes to iOS.

Well, I will agree that the iPad probably doesn't need as much RAM now. But would you not agree that if it did have 2GB that it would last a lot longer with future iOS updates/apps?

As for battery life, I'd hate to play the Google card, but the 2013 Nexus 7 has 2GB RAM and its battery lasts up to 9 hours, and I've checked a few reviews and it does seem to be getting that.

Granted, iOS 7 is probably a lot less memory hungry than Android is. But it would be nice if Apple's iOS devices lasted longer than they do now.

For the people who say, "My iPad 1 and iPad 2 works great now. What are you talking about?" I bet you they don't work like they did when you first pried them out of their packages.

After all this, though, I'm still buying a retina iPad mini. :)
 
You might need to do a full restore. I have an iPad 3 64 GB since launch and have never had any issues. And other than some sluggishness going back to home screen from an app I really haven't had any slowness with iOS 7.

Turn on Increased Contrast and Reduce Motion on Settings/General/Accesibility and you will be in heaven with iPad 3 running iOS 7

Not as pretty as intended with all the transparencies and effects removed, but it works 99% sluggish/stutter/freeze free. That is way more important to me.
 
Great news for owners of older devices. Bad news for people looking to buy the latest iPad.

Having the original mini with the innerds of the iPad2 was already the good news for owners of older devices.

Well, I'm looking to buy the newest iPad and I don't view it as a bad thing at all. If I updated to every new device Apple produced, I'd still be sorry, though, when I went to sell my old device and discovered it doesn't hold value like Apple products used to, and my new purchase suddenly became more expensive.

I adore my mini, have since day 1, but that said I can't wait to get the new retina Mini, and whether I keep that one for just one year or more I can't say, but in one year I'd be pissed if they upgraded the mini's internals to such a point that new apps running on it didn't run on my 1 year old mini, or ran with such lags and delays that made it unusable. User experience - Apple does this pretty well, and that's one reason I'm willing to pay extra for their hardware, so to all those moaning myrtles out there, ShutT*U.
 
I adore my mini, have since day 1, but that said I can't wait to get the new retina Mini, and whether I keep that one for just one year or more I can't say, but in one year I'd be pissed if they upgraded the mini's internals to such a point that new apps running on it didn't run on my 1 year old mini, or ran with such lags and delays that made it unusable. User experience - Apple does this pretty well, and that's one reason I'm willing to pay extra for their hardware, so to all those moaning myrtles out there, ShutT*U.

I know you’ve been a big Mini supporter from day one - I was wondering after this announcement, if folks like yourself would upgrade, and if you’d consider an Air (not that it’s not even double the weight!).

I actually think we’re going from the 4th gen to a new Mini - the Air is crazy, but the Mini with retina seems even more perfect now, especially since we share with our 5.5 year old :)
 
Without Touch ID, there's no chance I'd upgrade even given the somewhat sluggish performance of iOS 7 on my third-gen iPad.

If this year's iPad had all the specs it has now plus Touch ID, I'd be thinking long and hard about it.

I figured Apple would've included it if part volume was available; Touch ID sensor that is. Then again maybe it's the backlash or consensus of those customers still worried about personal physical representation used as data. (or is the backlash or negative view of Touch ID coming from those that had been fingerprinted in their lives for negative reasons, even if they've grown up since then).
 
Mind you the iPad 4's graphics chip was barely challenged...ever.

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TouchID isn't "that" good yet to hold off an entire purchase. All it really does is remove the password entry option. It's not NEARLY advanced enough for banking or hard-spec security purposes... It's purely "ease of use" at this point.

For a family, it's very convenient. The less passwords my parents deal with the better lol :p
 
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