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FYI, there's security hole with Android WebView for Android below KitKat that'll be never be fixed...
http://www.zdnet.com/article/google...s-for-pre-kitkat-webview-abandons-930m-users/
http://www.zdnet.com/article/google-why-we-wont-patch-pre-kitkat-android-webview/

And that vulnerability is fixed for KitKat, but I never got newer Android WebView update through Play Store, cause I remember getting Android WebView update through Play Store only after updating to Lollipop.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/10/23/android_lollipop_webview_component_unwrapped_for_developers/

Of course going forward that'll improve, especially when the majority of Android devices has moved to at least Lollipop. But today, that's not the case just yet.

Admittedly you found a chink in my armor. Webview is an issue, however and I'm not trying to turn this into a straw man argument I feel this falls on the devs using webview (which I don't care for in Android or iOS btw). And realistically this isn't an issue although I admit it could be. Typical webview use is a from a trusted app to a trusted webpage in an otherwise featureless browser. I'd venture to say it wouldn't be hard to find a malicious webpage that could take advantage of a webview security hole however you'd have to intentionally go look for it.
 
Yeah, I don't see the value of multiwindows in an iPad mini. [...]
In essence, it allows a level of "modularity" in apps that can create new "apps". Think of multiwindow as a single app of two panes.
A proprietary approach already exists: The App "EyeTV Netstream" switches to a two-pane view when the iPad is turned to portrait mode. The upper half then is for the TV stream and the lower half is an (admittedly crude) internet browser. This feature is in there for a year or two now, so probably some proprietary solution (or Apple laid the foundation pretty early and the Elgato guys somehow figured it out).
 
They are selling it for less money for a reason. A customer should do at least 5 minutes of research to figure out why.
I bet average ipad buyer that browses to applestore page today to buy "the cheaper ipad", can't find what iOS9 features are dropped from it.
I doubt that I can google those features in 5 minutes.
Can you offer a list and references to it?
How sure we can even be what will be changed before the release of iOS9?
This splitView barrier can also be almost superficial. It might work okay in almost every case with air1 when it works okay with air2. Or it would just need some memory optimization...
 
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I bet average ipad buyer that browses to applestore page today to buy "the cheaper ipad", can't find what iOS9 features are dropped from it.
I doubt that I can google those features in 5 minutes.
Can you offer a list and references to it?
How sure we can even be what will be changed before the release of iOS9?
This splitView barrier can also be almost superficial. It might work okay in almost every case with air1 when it works okay with air2. Or it would just need some memory optimization...
It took less than a minute after searching for "split view iPad Air" to be linked to Apple's iOS 9 page with the following quote :

"With Split View on iPad Air 2, you can go a step further and have two apps open and active at the same time. Work on a sketch with the reference photo beside it. Or write a paper while copying citations from a book in iBooks. When everything you need is right in front of you, it’s easier to focus."

http://www.apple.com/ios/ios9-preview/

Anyone doing any research should at least read Apple's website.
 
I bet average ipad buyer that browses to applestore page today to buy "the cheaper ipad", can't find what iOS9 features are dropped from it.
I doubt that I can google those features in 5 minutes.
Can you offer a list and references to it?
How sure we can even be what will be changed before the release of iOS9?
This splitView barrier can also be almost superficial. It might work okay in almost every case with air1 when it works okay with air2. Or it would just need some memory optimization...

I don't think the "average iPad buyer" looking to buy the cheap version - cares about missing split view.

They get a small device to check the internet, email, news, read magazines/pdfs/Facebook, etc etc etc - at a nice price.

Remember - most people on here and those who watched the Keynote - aren't average users.

My mom/dad/even wife doesn't care about split view.

I'm betting 90% of the people who log in and see two iPads then say "oh there are two, which one to get... oh I don't care, just get the cheaper one" will care...
 
It took less than a minute after searching for "split view iPad Air" to be linked to Apple's iOS 9 page with the following quote :

"With Split View on iPad Air 2, you can go a step further and have two apps open and active at the same time. Work on a sketch with the reference photo beside it. Or write a paper while copying citations from a book in iBooks. When everything you need is right in front of you, it’s easier to focus."

http://www.apple.com/ios/ios9-preview/

Anyone doing any research should at least read Apple's website.
That's the one thing we all know. Anything else? Or has Apple or anyone told that's the only one?
 
I don't think the "average iPad buyer" looking to buy the cheap version - cares about missing split view.

They get a small device to check the internet, email, news, read magazines/pdfs/Facebook, etc etc etc - at a nice price.

Remember - most people on here and those who watched the Keynote - aren't average users.

My mom/dad/even wife doesn't care about split view.

I'm betting 90% of the people who log in and see two iPads then say "oh there are two, which one to get... oh I don't care, just get the cheaper one" will care...
That's pretty much the heart of the problem. People don't know. And when they find out they blame themselves. Not the company who made the device and kept the silence.

Apple is very handy in not telling anything what's not asked. AirDrop was pretty much like this. They just told "the hardware doesn't support wifi-direct". What they didn't tell is that AirDrop coud have been designed to work without wifi-direct.

Btw, when average ipad buyer goes to Applestore after iOS9 is released, and asks the salesperson which one to buy, the first thing mentioned is that the more expensive one has split screen and the cheaper doesn't. It always comes as a surprise and nobody thinks that "well, Apple has known this for at least 2 years before"...
 
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That's pretty much the heart of the problem. People don't know. And when they find out they blame themselves. Not the company who made the device and kept the silence.

Apple is very handy in not telling anything what's not asked. AirDrop was pretty much like this. They just told "the hardware doesn't support wifi-direct". What they didn't tell is that AirDrop coud have been designed to work without wifi-direct.

Btw, when average ipad buyer goes to Applestore after iOS9 is released, and asks the salesperson which one to buy, the first thing mentioned is that the more expensive one has split screen and the cheaper doesn't. It always comes as a surprise and nobody thinks that "well, Apple has known this for at least 2 years before"...

Isn't this pretty much the case with anything you buy?

If someone doesn't know that a newer more expensive model might be better then an older model because the company didnt lay out a pros and cons list in front of them you can't exactly blame the company. Even when I've made uneducated purchases and the option arose of a newer and potentially better but more expensive model I'd ask why, or google search it on my phone in store. Sometimes I find price difference worth it, sometimes I don't.
 
That's pretty much the heart of the problem. People don't know. And when they find out they blame themselves. Not the company who made the device and kept the silence.

Apple is very handy in not telling anything what's not asked. AirDrop was pretty much like this. They just told "the hardware doesn't support wifi-direct". What they didn't tell is that AirDrop coud have been designed to work without wifi-direct.

Btw, when average ipad buyer goes to Applestore after iOS9 is released, and asks the salesperson which one to buy, the first thing mentioned is that the more expensive one has split screen and the cheaper doesn't. It always comes as a surprise and nobody thinks that "well, Apple has known this for at least 2 years before"...
If you buy at an Apple Store, there's a good likelihood that the salesperson will try to upsell (although quite low key and no pressure) to a more expensive model. If someone chooses not to take the advice, I think that's on them. Heck, just a week before the 4S was released, my aunt bought an iPhone 4 (her old phone died) and the Apple Genius mentioned she could get the newer model if she just waited a week and mentioned all the upgrades. She still got the 4 (and really, it was more than enough for her).
 
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If you buy at an Apple Store, there's a good likelihood that the salesperson will try to upsell (although quite low key and no pressure) to a more expensive model. If someone chooses not to take the advice, I think that's on them. Heck, just a week before the 4S was released, my aunt bought an iPhone 4 (her old phone died) and the Apple Genius mentioned she could get the newer model if she just waited a week and mentioned all the upgrades. She still got the 4 (and really, it was more than enough for her).
Exactly, all of the incentive is to sell the more expensive device.
 
That's pretty much the heart of the problem. People don't know. And when they find out they blame themselves. Not the company who made the device and kept the silence.

Apple is very handy in not telling anything what's not asked. AirDrop was pretty much like this. They just told "the hardware doesn't support wifi-direct". What they didn't tell is that AirDrop coud have been designed to work without wifi-direct.

Btw, when average ipad buyer goes to Applestore after iOS9 is released, and asks the salesperson which one to buy, the first thing mentioned is that the more expensive one has split screen and the cheaper doesn't. It always comes as a surprise and nobody thinks that "well, Apple has known this for at least 2 years before"...

I don't think you understand the point I was making.

It wasn't that non-techies who don't care about the different iPads, are suddenly going to become tech-heads and try all the features - it's that most of them probably don't care for those features.

The iPad air still excels at what it does - browsing, email, Facebook, news, etc. etc. - I think THAT's probably what most non-techies care about.

Not all the advanced new features iOS9 will bring.

They simply want a cheap device to check their Facebook, etc. on.
 
I sold my Air 2 tonight because I have my Surface 3 now and Galaxy Tab S for doing everything my Air 2 could do and much more. I got my Air 2 because I bought an iPhone 6 and thought that it would be good to have both but I find the iPad to be too limited in what it can do.

Well that went well, I missed my Air 2 so I have just bought another one today.
 
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Do you guys think a cydia tweak might give SplitView and Picture in Picture capabilities to other ipads, I don't mind if there is a little lag as long as it has SplitVie.


i have been waiting for some time now for the SplitView option on ipads and was sad to see it was only for the ipad air 2, even more after i just purchased an ipad mini 2 less than 2 months ago. I've been thinking of selling it but its basically a brand new always in case ipad and I think people wont pay nothing near to the original price. If i knew only the ipad air 2 was getting all the goodies i would of waited happily.
 
Apple will pull the same joke on us with the upcoming iPhone 6s/6s+, doubling the memory and then releasing some form of multi tasking just to get people to the newest devices. Seriously. There was no need for the iPhone 6/6+ to get a meagerly 1GB of RAM just to upgrade it to 2GB on the 6s/6s+ and calling it "all new revolutionary memory things".
 
I sold my Air 2 tonight because I have my Surface 3 now and Galaxy Tab S for doing everything my Air 2 could do and much more. I got my Air 2 because I bought an iPhone 6 and thought that it would be good to have both but I find the iPad to be too limited in what it can do.
Well that went well, I missed my Air 2 so I have just bought another one today.
What were the things about the Air 2 that you missed? (I know why the Surface is a poor tablet for me, and my GTab Pro 8.4 is acceptable for me, but I'm curious about other people's reasons)
 
What were the things about the Air 2 that you missed? (I know why the Surface is a poor tablet for me, and my GTab Pro 8.4 is acceptable for me, but I'm curious about other people's reasons)

Well I know your views on the Surface 3(I'm Will6371) on android central by the way.

As for going back to the iPad it was mainly because of the form and function, I use it mainly for web browsing and looking at the likes of eBay, Amazon or the like and websites like here and so on.

Another plus point for the air 2 is just holding it, obviously way ahead of the Surface 3 but even more so of the Tab S 10.5 mainly because of the small bezels on the side(landscape) and the way it dug into my hand while trying to hold it one handed.
 
I don't think the "average iPad buyer" looking to buy the cheap version - cares about missing split view.

They get a small device to check the internet, email, news, read magazines/pdfs/Facebook, etc etc etc - at a nice price.

Remember - most people on here and those who watched the Keynote - aren't average users.

My mom/dad/even wife doesn't care about split view.

I'm betting 90% of the people who log in and see two iPads then say "oh there are two, which one to get... oh I don't care, just get the cheaper one" will care...

I agree. Split view isn't going to appeal to the masses as far as users go. They won't or don't care. That's the way it is with most fancy features on devices these days.
 
I agree. Split view isn't going to appeal to the masses as far as users go. They won't or don't care. That's the way it is with most fancy features on devices these days.

Or at least until Apple tell them!
 
Well I know your views on the Surface 3(I'm Will6371) on android central by the way.

As for going back to the iPad it was mainly because of the form and function, I use it mainly for web browsing and looking at the likes of eBay, Amazon or the like and websites like here and so on.

Another plus point for the air 2 is just holding it, obviously way ahead of the Surface 3 but even more so of the Tab S 10.5 mainly because of the small bezels on the side(landscape) and the way it dug into my hand while trying to hold it one handed.
LOL hi. Thanks for the response.

I'm waiting to see what Apple does re: Air 3 vs. Pro... I may end up getting an Air 2 if there's nothing compelling with the next gen.
 
LOL hi. Thanks for the response.

I'm waiting to see what Apple does re: Air 3 vs. Pro... I may end up getting an Air 2 if there's nothing compelling with the next gen.

I'm sure that I will get the Air 3 when it is released but I'm definitely getting the iPhone 6S

The iPad pro is not something I'd be interested in unless it has some sort of detachable keyboard and stand like the surface.
 
Apple will pull the same joke on us with the upcoming iPhone 6s/6s+, doubling the memory and then releasing some form of multi tasking just to get people to the newest devices. Seriously. There was no need for the iPhone 6/6+ to get a meagerly 1GB of RAM just to upgrade it to 2GB on the 6s/6s+ and calling it "all new revolutionary memory things".
I don't think I would update my iPhone just to get 2GBs. Unlike the iPad, I don't care about multitasking on it. However, they will most likely have a better, higher pixel count camera on it that I would find useful.
 
I don't think I would update my iPhone just to get 2GBs. Unlike the iPad, I don't care about multitasking on it. However, they will most likely have a better, higher pixel count camera on it that I would find useful.

I don't expect to upgrade, either, for exactly that reason, and for me personally a camera upgrade wouldn't be persuasive.
 
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