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Anyone that is spending more money for an ipad pro/keyboard combo than a you would macbook air is is well ....more than kind of just a fool.
Apparently I am one of them: keyboard folio, iPad and Apple Pencil. I just don’t have enough money to get 1TB model.
 
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I understand having the trackpad below the keyboard for a laptop, but why does MS insist of keeping that design for a tablet keyboard? It's not like there's any batteries taking up space in those areas around the trackpad. Makes no sense to me. Because of this, Apple's Smart Keyboard's low profile wins aesthetics hands down.
Because the Surface go can be used as a LAPTOP so the trackpad is useful where as the iPad is only a tablet so no use for a trackpad.
 
Will ios13 mouse support also mean that an external keyboard can have a trackpad for the iPad?
There is no real mouse support in iOS 13, it only can be used as an input device. You wont have right click functionality with a menu for copy, cut paste or anything like that. It's only made for you to click something.
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I have the Surface 2 and it is pretty bad, I haven't used it since more than a year now. I don't even remember where I kept it.
The surface to was an ARM based tablet, Surface Go is x86, completely different. The Surface 2 is a better comparison to the iPad Air then the Surface GO really.
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with the introduction of iOS 13 it is non sense to choose a surface most especially the GO

it is very slow, crashes many times and lags many times

not to mention the little difference it offers in terms of price.

i would rather get a snappy chromebook than a lagging surface go.
BWHAHAHA. Are you serious? Have you even used one? I have had multiple iPads and have had a Surface RT, Surface Pro 3 and 4 and a Surface book. The Surface RT thats running a desktop OS in ARM is still working and just as fast as it was when i bought it, which I wont say was really fast but I could have IE open, Full Office Apps open and music playing with 2gb ram and it never lagged. As for the Pro's and the Books, I have never had a problem with them being slow or lagging. As for crashes. My Macbook pro I bought in 2015 crashes way more than any surface product I have bought.
 
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I agree with you 100% but the comment I replied to said it was stupid to have a trackpad built into a keyboard cover and Apples keyboard cover was better for not having a trackpad.
Ahh ok. He has a stupid comment then. And by no means Apple keyboard folio is better aesthetically hands down.
 
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iPad Pro 11 Gen 2 will hopefully introduce multipule USB C ports.

iPad 11 is the secret sauce. when people say I want an A series macbook pro - just wait. Ipads are getting there. I firmly believe you will be able to one day attach a keyboard to an iPad and begin to run Mac OSX.. when its disconnected, you're back into iOS.

I think it’s more likely that iPadOS and MacOS will eventually merge together. I know that they have said that won’t happen but they do what they want. To be honest, I don’t use my MacBook Pro as often I did before iOS got better multitasking support.
 
As someone who has both, and switched from the iPad Pro to the Surface Go.. I'm hands down Surface Go. Battery life is crap, but its a real computer. When iPadOS comes out, maybe it'll change.....
iPad os really doesnt change ANYTHING. it's still iOS with a few large tablet productive features added that should have been put in a long time ago
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Windows is such a large operating system that you need a good spec’ed system or else it really bogs down.
Ive wanted to like a chrome book but it bogs down as well with low specs.
Ultimately, as everyone has been saying, if you want a full laptop experience, get a laptop.
For basic computing an iPad plows through effortlessly.
Not at all. I had an i5 4gb Surface Pro 4 and it never got bogged down by the OS. Microsoft has optimized Windows 10 like crazy. It will run on a 2gb ram Arm Processor now without the OS slowing down
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One gets Malware, Viruses, Cryptolocker and your favorite spyware. The other is an iPad.
That's not really a fight between the products, thats a fight between Apple having a crazy insane closed system and Microsoft having a normal open system.
 
iPad os really doesnt change ANYTHING. it's still iOS with a few large tablet productive features added that should have been put in a long time ago
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Not at all. I had an i5 4gb Surface Pro 4 and it never got bogged down by the OS. Microsoft has optimized Windows 10 like crazy. It will run on a 2gb ram Arm Processor now without the OS slowing down

The Surface Go runs a WHOLE lot better than commenters said it would. It rarely slows down, and there's no fan. I'm thoroughly impressed with how well the Surface Go functions as a basic work laptop. It docks to my 2x 24" monitors at full resolution, and run 10+ office and other apps simultaneously without complaining. Windows 10 is getting better, have 1905 now.
 
The ARM based Surface 2 from 2013 that ran WinRT? No question that thing was a turd. That device shouldn't even be mentioned in the same breath as the Surface Go.
but should be mentioned in the same breath as the Pad Air, it might not have had the best specs and apps but it alone still blows any iPad out of the water as a laptop replacement. I have the original Surface RT and still use it. It replaced my laptop for 4 months while saving money to get a Surface Pro 3 when my laptop died.
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but you still arent getting mouse support like you are thinking, its only really to be used as an input method like the stylus. It wont have a contextual menu with copy, cut paste etc. all you can really do is click.
 
I have both and use them both packed together in a small leather bag. The iPad is used mostly as a tablet and the Go as a small laptop for system support and maintenance.It's iPad is a blown up iPod with the same limitations while the Surface Go is a shrunken laptop but with the same versatility. Neither would be my first choice but if I was forced to choose one I'd take versatility over blown up limitations. It's more difficult. The Surface Go is the superior (albeit slow) laptop replacement.Thank you.
 
I agree with you 100% but the comment I replied to said it was stupid to have a trackpad built into a keyboard cover and Apples keyboard cover was better for not having a trackpad.

You completely missed my point. And never said it was stupid.
 
Anyone that is spending more money for an ipad pro/keyboard combo than a you would macbook air is is well ....more than kind of just a fool.
it depend on user choice.. unless we got new macbook air cum touchable screen and it will be no brainer.We all here don't yet know what future ipad os will be tell to us.
 
That's not completely true .Look at this forum about Surface devices and you will see a lot of Apple users not happy with apple products

Yes, well.... 90% of posts on this forum are negative about Apple. Reviewers of Apple products by Apple users are as predictable as the high number of forum members complaining that Apple products are too expensive.
 
I wouldn’t use either one. But of the two choices the surface go wins easily as a laptop replacement. It’s not even close.
why are we excluding the Surface pro? The Go will get a performance boost soon asd I pad
enthusiasts will continue to defend the awful smart cover. MS won the war when they introduced
the kickstand
 
you missed my point, the iPad is only a tablet and doesnt need one, the Surface Go can actually replace your laptop, thus it needs to have trackpad built in.

I never once questioned the use of the trackpad. I know Surface tablets have mouse and trackpad functionality. I’m simply questioning the design choice around the trackpad. If you reread my original post, I am talking about the space where batteries are usually housed within the chassis of a tradition laptop design, which is not the case with tablet connected keyboards.
 
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One gets Malware, Viruses, Cryptolocker and your favorite spyware. The other is an iPad.
It looks like you give iPad and iOS way too much credit and think iOS is invincible. iOS is not invincible otherwise jailbreak won’t even exist. And guess what? iOS has probably just as many critical security vulnerabilities as windows or macOS or even pristine Linux system.
 
I never once questioned the use of the trackpad. I know Surface tablets have mouse and trackpad functionality. I’m simply questioning the design choice around the trackpad. If you reread my original post, I am talking about the space where batteries are usually housed within the chassis of a tradition laptop design, which is not the case with tablet connected keyboards.
I've read and reread your original post over and over again. The Surface Go is being pushed as a laptop replacement, hence the trackpad, the Air isnt, hence no trackpad. But Apple doesn't even make since in this regard because it states the iPad Pro as a laptop replacement and yet still does not have a trackpad. The Surface Go isn't a tablet, the Air is. The Surface is a laptop in a tablet form factor hence trackpad.
 
I've read and reread your original post over and over again. The Surface Go is being pushed as a laptop replacement, hence the trackpad, the Air isnt, hence no trackpad. But Apple doesn't even make since in this regard because it states the iPad Pro as a laptop replacement and yet still does not have a trackpad. The Surface Go isn't a tablet, the Air is. The Surface is a laptop in a tablet form factor hence trackpad.
If you go and search surface go image, you will immediately notice the huge gap between keyboard and the surface (typically office desk). I think that is the weird/bad design choice he is talking about, and I am inclined to agree.
 
If you go and search surface go image, you will immediately notice the huge gap between keyboard and the surface (typically office desk). I think that is the weird/bad design choice he is talking about, and I am inclined to agree.
are you talking about how the keyboard is angled instead of laying flat? Thats done on purpose to make it feel more like a laptop keyboard and to provide support. When they made the keyboard that way when it was introduced with the surface pro 3 they made a whole mention of it. it can still lay flat if you want it to though.
 
...yet.

it looks like the direction apple is headed in, however.
all that iPadOS needs is a Smart Keyboard that allows trackpad input.
maybe spring 2020?

That would be nice. It’s getting really close to being the perfect computer for a lot of people. I think within 5 years there will be a lot of people buying iPad pros and not MacBook pros. It’s already starting to happen.
 
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