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sparksd said:
I use both Adobe products very heavily on the iPad and Windows desktop and would not characterize them as close in functionality. iPad Photoshop is missing smart filters, some layer effects, custom brush and plugin ecosystems, and certain panels like Clone Source). Lightroom on the iPad is missing tethered capture and has weaker batch operations, clunkier white‑balance syncing, and no support for some profiling and plugin‑based tasks like ColorChecker profile creation. Much like the MS tools, core functionality is there but useful extended functions are not. And like the MS tools, the Adobe products on the iPad nice for light work but not more serious work.
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They are closer to feature parity than Office apps though. Much of MS Office core functionality is not there in the iPad versions, which is the problem. I’m not talking about niche plugins or extensions or whatever for Office apps, I’m talking about very basic in-app tools such as precise positioning for visual elements in documents like logo headers, the way it currently is, you have to just guess at where the center is. That’s unacceptable. Same with things like inserting from Files. OneDrive does it just fine, so clearly it’s very much possible, but Microsoft doesn’t provide that option in Word… Custom document templates: a very basic feature for business use. Other apps support it on the iPad, but Office chooses not to. There are many in-app core features like this that Microsoft refuses to provide…

And you still fail to address the fact that Microsoft is artificially limiting every other platform as well other than Windows. The Android version has the same limitations. The web version has the same limitations. The web version could easily incorporate more core functionality, but Microsoft chooses to artificially restrict that platform as well. They similarly restrict the Mac versions. Microsoft is doing this to every platform other than Windows. So clearly this isn’t about alleged iPad-specific “limitations”, this is a decision Microsoft has made for all other platforms.

Microsoft wants businesses to rely on Windows. Office is a big part of that. So by kneecapping Office on every other platform, they secure platform lock-in for business use… This is almost certainly about platform lock-in on Windows and not any supposed “limitations” of other platforms…
 
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Kal Madda said:
They are closer to feature parity than Office apps though. Much of MS Office core functionality is not there in the iPad versions, which is the problem. I’m not talking about niche plugins or extensions or whatever for Office apps, I’m talking about very basic in-app tools such as precise positioning for visual elements in documents like logo headers, the way it currently is, you have to just guess at where the center is. That’s unacceptable. Same with things like inserting from Files. OneDrive does it just fine, so clearly it’s very much possible, but Microsoft doesn’t provide that option in Word… Custom document templates: a very basic feature for business use. Other apps support it on the iPad, but Office chooses not to. There are many in-app core features like this that Microsoft refuses to provide…

And you still fail to address the fact that Microsoft is artificially limiting every other platform as well other than Windows. The Android version has the same limitations. The web version has the same limitations. The web version could easily incorporate more core functionality, but Microsoft chooses to artificially restrict that platform as well. They similarly restrict the Mac versions. Microsoft is doing this to every platform other than Windows. So clearly this isn’t about alleged iPad-specific “limitations”, this is a decision Microsoft has made for all other platforms.

Microsoft wants businesses to rely on Windows. Office is a big part of that. So by kneecapping Office on every other platform, they secure platform lock-in for business use… This is almost certainly about platform lock-in on Windows and not any supposed “limitations” of other platforms…
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We agree to disagree.
 
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Kal Madda said:
They are closer to feature parity than Office apps though. Much of MS Office core functionality is not there in the iPad versions, which is the problem. I’m not talking about niche plugins or extensions or whatever for Office apps, I’m talking about very basic in-app tools such as precise positioning for visual elements in documents like logo headers, the way it currently is, you have to just guess at where the center is. That’s unacceptable. Same with things like inserting from Files. OneDrive does it just fine, so clearly it’s very much possible, but Microsoft doesn’t provide that option in Word… Custom document templates: a very basic feature for business use. Other apps support it on the iPad, but Office chooses not to. There are many in-app core features like this that Microsoft refuses to provide…

And you still fail to address the fact that Microsoft is artificially limiting every other platform as well other than Windows. The Android version has the same limitations. The web version has the same limitations. The web version could easily incorporate more core functionality, but Microsoft chooses to artificially restrict that platform as well. They similarly restrict the Mac versions. Microsoft is doing this to every platform other than Windows. So clearly this isn’t about alleged iPad-specific “limitations”, this is a decision Microsoft has made for all other platforms.

Microsoft wants businesses to rely on Windows. Office is a big part of that. So by kneecapping Office on every other platform, they secure platform lock-in for business use… This is almost certainly about platform lock-in on Windows and not any supposed “limitations” of other platforms…
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How good is Pages and Numbers in Windows?
 
eltoslightfoot said:
How good is Pages and Numbers in Windows?
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How much are people being charged to use Pages and Numbers on Windows?

If Office were free, then that would be one thing. But Microsoft is charging the exact same price to non-Windows users for less product. They don’t provide any discount pricing for those who are on other platforms and get half-baked lazy versions of the apps.

Besides, the experience is actually pretty good for Pages and Numbers on Windows. It’s closer to feature parity than what Microsoft gives paying customers on other platforms…
 
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I actually didn't find Excel bad on an iPad...honestly easier to use and more functional than Numbers. I even do a lot of formulas and lookups and it all worked fine. Granted it works better in Windows, but that is to be expected.


I don't understand the point of thinking that Office is going to get "feature parity" with Windows anyway. It isn't like Visual Basic is coming to an iPad anytime soon, so scripting isn't exactly going to work...
 
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eltoslightfoot said:
I actually didn't find Excel bad on an iPad...honestly easier to use and more functional than Numbers. I even do a lot of formulas and lookups and it all worked fine. Granted it works better in Windows, but that is to be expected.

I don't understand the point of thinking that Office is going to get "feature parity" with Windows anyway. It isn't like Visual Basic is coming to an iPad anytime soon, so scripting isn't exactly going to work...
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I don’t really care if it’s full feature parity with the Windows version, I’d just like to either A. Not be charged the exact same price for it for less, or B. Have better core functionality in the Office apps that should be there, like custom document templates, insert from Files, precise positioning for page formatting and layout work, etc. These are all extremely simple and basic things…
 
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Kal Madda said:
It isn’t “tripe”, it’s truth. There’s nothing preventing Microsoft from making their office software on the iPad and Android far better by providing access to basic features that other office software on the platform support… Furthermore, they could vastly improve the web versions, yet they refuse to do that either. This is clearly more about Microsoft not wanting to fully support other platforms more than them supposedly “not being able to”…

The truth is, they could deliver far better apps for the iPad if they wanted to…

And here’s the thing. If they supposedly are the poor whittle victims that would love to offer better but can’t, then they should give customers a discount. But they don’t, because they’re not the poor whittle victims here… They don’t actually care about paying customers on platforms other than Windows. Which is why they only provide the bare minimum on any platform other than Windows.

If they did care, they wouldn’t be charging customers the exact same price for software with significantly reduced features on other platforms. They would be making efforts to unify those features wherever possible and give those customers the absolute best experience they could. They would be aiming for at least 90% feature parity, which is very much possible with office apps. Perhaps not some niche stuff in Excel, but they could definitely support very basic features that are available in other apps on iPadOS, so clearly are very possible for Microsoft to include as well…
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A fully featured Excel, or even a version of Excel that power users will be able to benefit from simply cannot be developed to work on the ipad OS.

So, with that fact in mind, we’re suggesting that MS should then develop a lite version of Excel to work on a competitors platform? Well, why should they? I mean, let’s just think about this logically, why on earth would they?? They don’t have to, and Apple probably wouldn’t do the same unless there was a profitable or strategic reason for doing so, and besides they are a device brand, not a software brand - so it makes little odds to them to open up many of their apps on windows.

Does MS care about you, me and each one of us moaning about how our MS apps don’t work that well on an Apple device? No, they don’t. Are they victims? No, they are not.

They do give their customers the best experience when using Excel on the platform it was designed to work on and it’s the best, industry leading application of its’ type, indisputable. SO most people paying for Excel are getting the best experience. MS don’t really care about developing for Apple devices, and quite frankly, neither should they. The vast majority of their users are business users who don’t use Apple devices as their primary business device.
 
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A fully featured Excel, or even a version of Excel that power users will be able to benefit from simply cannot be developed to work on the ipad OS.

So, with that fact in mind, we’re suggesting that MS should then develop a lite version of Excel to work on a competitors platform? Well, why should they? I mean, let’s just think about this logically, why on earth would they?? They don’t have to, and Apple probably wouldn’t do the same unless there was a profitable or strategic reason for doing so, and besides they are a device brand, not a software brand - so it makes little odds to them to open up many of their apps on windows.

Does MS care about you, me and each one of us moaning about how our MS apps don’t work that well on an Apple device? No, they don’t. Are they victims? No, they are not.

They do give their customers the best experience when using Excel on the platform it was designed to work on and it’s the best, industry leading application of its’ type, indisputable. SO most people paying for Excel are getting the best experience. MS don’t really care about developing for Apple devices, and quite frankly, neither should they. The vast majority of their users are business users who don’t use Apple devices as their primary business device.
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It’s like you’re having a different argument. Who is asking for 100% feature parity? It’s a straw man! The question is: why can’t MS implement a fuller set of basic features, some of which they themselves have in different apps. You answer with 100% feature parity is impossible. So what? Who cares‽

Why should MS develop Excel Lite for iPad? They already have Office Lite! Why continue to sell it if they’re not going to put in the effort to get at least a good set of basic features? If they’re trying to force people on to Windows, why not just pull the ‘lite’ apps, web, mobile, Mac, the lot, if they’re not going to do a halfway decent job?
 
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Bungaree.Chubbins said:
It’s like you’re having a different argument. Who is asking for 100% feature parity? It’s a straw man! The question is: why can’t MS implement a fuller set of basic features, some of which they themselves have in different apps. You answer with 100% feature parity is impossible. So what? Who cares‽

Why should MS develop Excel Lite for iPad? They already have Office Lite! Why continue to sell it if they’re not going to put in the effort to get at least a good set of basic features? If they’re trying to force people on to Windows, why not just pull the ‘lite’ apps, web, mobile, Mac, the lot, if they’re not going to do a halfway decent job?
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It’s almost like competitors are only willing to do so much for a competing platform. Like Messages vs. RCS—which isn’t even encrypted.
 
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Beanoir said:
A fully featured Excel, or even a version of Excel that power users will be able to benefit from simply cannot be developed to work on the ipad OS.

So, with that fact in mind, we’re suggesting that MS should then develop a lite version of Excel to work on a competitors platform? Well, why should they? I mean, let’s just think about this logically, why on earth would they?? They don’t have to, and Apple probably wouldn’t do the same unless there was a profitable or strategic reason for doing so, and besides they are a device brand, not a software brand - so it makes little odds to them to open up many of their apps on windows.
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Microsoft already did make a lite version of Excel to work on iPadOS. My beef isn’t with Excel. Other people in this thread seem to think it’s pretty capable and functional. My beef is with Word. I don’t really use Excel…
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Does MS care about you, me and each one of us moaning about how our MS apps don’t work that well on an Apple device? No, they don’t. Are they victims? No, they are not.
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And as I said before, I’m just saying that if they’re going to charge us the exact same amount for it, it should at least be closer and better. My bar is very low here. I’m not even saying it must be 100% feature parity with Windows (though that would be great). I just want something better than the lazy half-a$$ed piece of crap they give us with Word that doesn’t support basic, simple core features…
Beanoir said:
They do give their customers the best experience when using Excel on the platform it was designed to work on and it’s the best, industry leading application of its’ type, indisputable. SO most people paying for Excel are getting the best experience. MS don’t really care about developing for Apple devices, and quite frankly, neither should they. The vast majority of their users are business users who don’t use Apple devices as their primary business device.
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Again, the problem I have is that they are charging me the exact same price. Give me a discount at least for the half-baked “lite” version. You keep arguing “why should they be expect to make a lite version?” The problem is they did make a lite version, but instead of charging prices befitting a lite version, they are charging the exact same amount as the full one… That shouldn’t be… Nobody forced them to make an iPad version, a “lite” version, whatever. But since they have done so, they should do one of two things: either charge less for it, or improve it enough to where it’s at least somewhat close…
 
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eltoslightfoot said:
It’s almost like competitors are only willing to do so much for a competing platform. Like Messages vs. RCS—which isn’t even encrypted.
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My gripe isn’t that the Office apps on iPadOS aren’t 100% feature parity with the Windows versions. That’s a strawman argument. Nor do I think Microsoft must create apps for other platforms…

My gripe is that they did make lite versions of their apps for other platforms, yet charge the exact same price as the full version for them, even though apps like Word in particular are missing so many basic simple core features we know they can implement, because they’ve implemented them in other Microsoft Office apps on the iPad like OneNote… If they’re going to charge me just as much as for the full version, at least make an effort. At least deliver simple basic features… Or, since it is a lite version, give me a discount… 🤷🏼‍♂️

If I use Pages on Windows, I still get custom document template support, I still get precise alignment options for page layout work… I still get basic core features of Pages. And that app is free. Meanwhile, I must pay full price for a lite version of Office that’s missing basic and simple features…

That is the issue I take with it…
 
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Kal Madda said:
Microsoft already did make a lite version of Excel to work on iPadOS. My beef isn’t with Excel. Other people in this thread seem to think it’s pretty capable and functional. My beef is with Word. I don’t really use Excel…

And as I said before, I’m just saying that if they’re going to charge us the exact same amount for it, it should at least be closer and better. My bar is very low here. I’m not even saying it must be 100% feature parity with Windows (though that would be great). I just want something better than the lazy half-a$$ed piece of crap they give us with Word that doesn’t support basic, simple core features…

Again, the problem I have is that they are charging me the exact same price. Give me a discount at least for the half-baked “lite” version. You keep arguing “why should they be expect to make a lite version?” The problem is they did make a lite version, but instead of charging prices befitting a lite version, they are charging the exact same amount as the full one… That shouldn’t be… Nobody forced them to make an iPad version, a “lite” version, whatever. But since they have done so, they should do one of two things: either charge less for it, or improve it enough to where it’s at least somewhat close…
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Ok, so this is just a case of you not liking the price of a product. They’re only going to charge you if you’ve agreed to buy it. If you don’t like the price, don’t buy it. Simple.
 
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Beanoir said:
Ok, so this is just a case of you not liking the price of a product. They’re only going to charge you if you’ve agreed to buy it. If you don’t like the price, don’t buy it. Simple.
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I’m lucky that I can mostly choose whether or not I use Office. I do have to use OneDrive for my business use, as I’m working with others who are using Windows and use OneDrive for file management. So I must pay for it, even though I also must use other alternatives to things like Word because the version of Word they charge me for is useless crap for business use that doesn’t even support basic feature like custom document templates, insert option, precise page layout options, etc…

But sadly, there are many who don’t have that option, and can’t even use alternatives for Word like I can. Because Microsoft effectively has a monopoly on Office apps. Many don’t really have much choice in the matter. And people are being charged the full price for a lite version. Which shouldn’t be… People are rightly upset that they’re being charged full price for less product. If the only grocery store in your area charged you the full price of a gallon of milk for a quart, I have a feeling you would be “complaining” about it as well…
 
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Kal Madda said:
I’m lucky that I can mostly choose whether or not I use Office. I do have to use OneDrive for my business use, as I’m working with others who are using Windows and use OneDrive for file management. So I must pay for it, even though I also must use other alternatives to things like Word because the version of Word they charge me for is useless crap for business use that doesn’t even support basic feature like custom document templates, insert option, precise page layout options, etc…

But sadly, there are many who don’t have that option, and can’t even use alternatives for Word like I can. Because Microsoft effectively has a monopoly on Office apps. Many don’t really have much choice in the matter. And people are being charged the full price for a lite version. Which shouldn’t be… People are rightly upset that they’re being charged full price for less product. If the only grocery store in your area charged you the full price of a gallon of milk for a quart, I have a feeling you would be “complaining” about it as well…
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You might be right. I am certainly complaining about what Apple chose to do to Numbers, Pages, and Keynote as part of their subscription changes. It used to be that you bought a Mac/iPad/iPhone and you got Numbers, Pages, and Keynote (fully functional) as part of the deal. Not anymore. Of course, this is native to those products, and they changed the deal after the fact. And there is the fact that they aren't as good as their MS Office (or even LibreOffice/OpenOffice) but hey! Mo' Money!
 
eltoslightfoot said:
You might be right. I am certainly complaining about what Apple chose to do to Numbers, Pages, and Keynote as part of their subscription changes. It used to be that you bought a Mac/iPad/iPhone and you got Numbers, Pages, and Keynote (fully functional) as part of the deal. Not anymore. Of course, this is native to those products, and they changed the deal after the fact. And there is the fact that they aren't as good as their MS Office (or even LibreOffice/OpenOffice) but hey! Mo' Money!
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I have no problem with Apple charging for advanced AI features that require servers to run. That makes sense, servers aren’t cheap and cost money to maintain, and so it’s not really viable to include features like that for free… 🤷🏼‍♂️. And being on the free trial of the Creator Studio, I can say that it really isn’t a big deal, at least in my opinion. The AI image generation feature you could just as readily just generate images in another AI app and insert them into the document… 🤷🏼‍♂️. People using the free version aren’t really going to be missing much of anything… The appeal of the Creator Studio is definitely more the creative apps like Pixelmator Pro, Logic Pro, and Final Cut Pro… And for those, I think it’s a pretty good value.

Furthermore, I cannot efficiently use Word on the iPad for my business use because it lacks too many basic, simple core features. Where Pages is far more capable. I can create custom document templates and use them, I can insert stuff into documents, I have precision page layout tools, etc. Word lacks all of those things, which is why I want Microsoft to at least incorporate basic stuff like that if they’re going to charge me so much for it…

I don’t really understand why people are trying to make Microsoft the good guy and Apple the bad guy here… Apple is providing their iWork apps for free, with very optional AI add-ons… Microsoft is charging a hefty fee for Office, and charging users who get their Lite versions full price. And unlike Apple’s office software, Microsoft’s is heavily entrenched in business and Microsoft effectively holds a monopoly on Office software. Many have no choice but to use Office because their businesses/employers require them to… Nobody is being forced to use Pages, let alone the paid version of Pages with a few niche add-ons…

I don’t get why people are trying to vilify Apple and defend Microsoft on this… 🤦🏼‍♂️. Perhaps I misunderstand, but that clearly seems to be what people are trying to do… 🤷🏼‍♂️
 
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Kal Madda said:
I have no problem with Apple charging for advanced AI features that require servers to run. That makes sense, servers aren’t cheap and cost money to maintain, and so it’s not really viable to include features like that for free… 🤷🏼‍♂️. And being on the free trial of the Creator Studio, I can say that it really isn’t a big deal, at least in my opinion. The AI image generation feature you could just as readily just generate images in another AI app and insert them into the document… 🤷🏼‍♂️. People using the free version aren’t really going to be missing much of anything… The appeal of the Creator Studio is definitely more the creative apps like Pixelmator Pro, Logic Pro, and Final Cut Pro… And for those, I think it’s a pretty good value.

Furthermore, I cannot efficiently use Word on the iPad for my business use because it lacks too many basic, simple core features. Where Pages is far more capable. I can create custom document templates and use them, I can insert stuff into documents, I have precision page layout tools, etc. Word lacks all of those things, which is why I want Microsoft to at least incorporate basic stuff like that if they’re going to charge me so much for it…

I don’t really understand why people are trying to make Microsoft the good guy and Apple the bad guy here… Apple is providing their iWork apps for free, with very optional AI add-ons… Microsoft is charging a hefty fee for Office, and charging users who get their Lite versions full price. And unlike Apple’s office software, Microsoft’s is heavily entrenched in business and Microsoft effectively holds a monopoly on Office software. Many have no choice but to use Office because their businesses/employers require them to… Nobody is being forced to use Pages, let alone the paid version of Pages with a few niche add-ons…

I don’t get why people are trying to vilify Apple and defend Microsoft on this… 🤦🏼‍♂️. Perhaps I misunderstand, but that clearly seems to be what people are trying to do… 🤷🏼‍♂️
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This is the problem. As one who was using the free apps, the new "freemium" versions have tons of ads and features you have to ignore. Apple is not innocent on this. It's like when you buy a new device and get all these ads for Apple features in your settings.

It's a joke. And no I am not defending Microsoft per se, I am saying "ensh!ttification" comes for us all. There are no winners here only losers. At least with Microsoft it is a competitor's device (and hard to code for on top of that).
 
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This is the problem. As one who was using the free apps, the new "freemium" versions have tons of ads and features you have to ignore. Apple is not innocent on this. It's like when you buy a new device and get all these ads for Apple features in your settings.
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Calling it an “ad” seems a mischaracterization to me. It’s a pop-up that tells users about the new changes and features when you first install the new versions. That has been there for years. Every major update to Pages for the past several years, they have used a pop-up that tells users about the new changes/features. And people in this forum have complained for years that they didn’t know about new features in apps before Apple started implementing those like 4 years ago. I think that just makes sense. 🤷🏼‍♂️. Nor have I ever seen an “ad” in Settings on a new Apple device…
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It's a joke. And no I am not defending Microsoft per se, I am saying "ensh!ttification" comes for us all. There are no winners here only losers. At least with Microsoft it is a competitor's device (and hard to code for on top of that).
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I don’t view this as “ensh!tification”… To me, it seems many people in forums like this like to classify anything new as that… I personally just don’t understand that level of negativity. 🤷🏼‍♂️🙂👍🏻

Yes it’s a competitor’s device, but no, it is not “hard to code for”… Plenty of indie devs with very limited resources make very complex, functional, and amazing apps for the iPad. A multi-trillion dollar company definitely has the resources and capability to do better, especially if they’re going to charge customers on said platform full price… Again, I don’t even care if it’s 100% feature parity or not. It would be great, but my bar is very low here. I just want basic features we know Microsoft could very easily implement… Features like precise page layout tools, custom document templates, etc. don’t require some rare form of voodoo magic to implement on iPadOS. 🤦🏼‍♂️🙄 Such things can easily be incorporated. People here are acting as if it’s supposedly “so impossible to code for the iPad”, but it really isn’t. Many developers with far less resources available are doing much better on the iPad…

To me, this is very simple. Either improve the apps, or don’t charge full price for them. Very simple…
 
Kal Madda said:
Calling it an “ad” seems a mischaracterization to me. It’s a pop-up that tells users about the new changes and features when you first install the new versions. That has been there for years. Every major update to Pages for the past several years, they have used a pop-up that tells users about the new changes/features. And people in this forum have complained for years that they didn’t know about new features in apps before Apple started implementing those like 4 years ago. I think that just makes sense. 🤷🏼‍♂️. Nor have I ever seen an “ad” in Settings on a new Apple device…

I don’t view this as “ensh!tification”… To me, it seems many people in forums like this like to classify anything new as that… I personally just don’t understand that level of negativity. 🤷🏼‍♂️🙂👍🏻

Yes it’s a competitor’s device, but no, it is not “hard to code for”… Plenty of indie devs with very limited resources make very complex, functional, and amazing apps for the iPad. A multi-trillion dollar company definitely has the resources and capability to do better, especially if they’re going to charge customers on said platform full price… Again, I don’t even care if it’s 100% feature parity or not. It would be great, but my bar is very low here. I just want basic features we know Microsoft could very easily implement… Features like precise page layout tools, custom document templates, etc. don’t require some rare form of voodoo magic to implement on iPadOS. 🤦🏼‍♂️🙄 Such things can easily be incorporated. People here are acting as if it’s supposedly “so impossible to code for the iPad”, but it really isn’t. Many developers with far less resources available are doing much better on the iPad…

To me, this is very simple. Either improve the apps, or don’t charge full price for them. Very simple…
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We can agree to disagree. I don't carry water for corporations any longer. It's clear they don't have our self interest at heart anymore. And it is FAR more than ads. It's buttons on the menu bar that lead to ad popups, etc., Are you only using it on the Mac? If so, try the non-premium version on an iPad. But either way I am not out to convince you of what I plainly see. The only thing that matters to Apple (and Microsoft) is the stockholder. Not the customer.
 
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We can agree to disagree. I don't carry water for corporations any longer. It's clear they don't have our self interest at heart anymore. And it is FAR more than ads. It's buttons on the menu bar that lead to ad popups, etc., Are you only using it on the Mac? If so, try the non-premium version on an iPad. But either way I am not out to convince you of what I plainly see. The only thing that matters to Apple (and Microsoft) is the stockholder. Not the customer.
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Sure, though there’s like 2 buttons? It wouldn’t make sense to have to use two different UI layouts. The “ad” you claim pops up when clicking those buttons is just telling users that feature isn’t free. It isn’t an “ad”, it is merely to tell users that this feature is paid for… That just makes sense to me… 🤷🏼‍♂️

I use Pages primarily on my iPad, I rarely use Pages on the Mac, as I rarely use my Mac in the first place… A Mac is not critical to my workflow at this point. I’m an iPad-primary user.

I completely disagree with your assertion that Apple doesn’t care about their customers. I have had nothing but great customer service from Apple, and it seems to me they genuinely and truly care about their customers. I do think though that Microsoft doesn’t care about any customers not on Windows, that I fully believe based on my experience… 🤷🏼‍♂️

I respect your view, but I completely disagree with it in terms of whether Apple cares about their customers or not… 🙂👍🏻
 
Kal Madda said:
Sure, though there’s like 2 buttons? It wouldn’t make sense to have to use two different UI layouts. The “ad” you claim pops up when clicking those buttons is just telling users that feature isn’t free. It isn’t an “ad”, it is merely to tell users that this feature is paid for… That just makes sense to me… 🤷🏼‍♂️

I use Pages primarily on my iPad, I rarely use Pages on the Mac, as I rarely use my Mac in the first place… A Mac is not critical to my workflow at this point. I’m an iPad-primary user.

I completely disagree with your assertion that Apple doesn’t care about their customers. I have had nothing but great customer service from Apple, and it seems to me they genuinely and truly care about their customers. I do think though that Microsoft doesn’t care about any customers not on Windows, that I fully believe based on my experience… 🤷🏼‍♂️

I respect your view, but I completely disagree with it in terms of whether Apple cares about their customers or not… 🙂👍🏻
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Oh I think Apple cares about their customers, I really do. They just also care about getting more and more out of us in terms of services. It's all really adding up! If you wanted $12.99 a month for FCP and a Pixelmator Pro, and some other pro stuff fine. I can even handle the RIDICULOUSLY low amount of iCloud storage I get for my $9.99 a month. But then they had to add the iWork apps to it. And I suddenly realized why am I in this increasingly tall walled garden in the first place? Privacy? How long until AI BS makes that an impossibility and they cave anyway. What if I would be willing to pay for iWork only? No option. Even M$ lets me buy a form of Office with only Word, Excel, and Powerpoint.

Apple is just getting increasingly greedy and giving us less-and-less. Microsoft is already there.
 
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eltoslightfoot said:
Oh I think Apple cares about their customers, I really do. They just also care about getting more and more out of us in terms of services. It's all really adding up! If you wanted $12.99 a month for FCP and a Pixelmator Pro, and some other pro stuff fine. I can even handle the RIDICULOUSLY low amount of iCloud storage I get for my $9.99 a month. But then they had to add the iWork apps to it. And I suddenly realized why am I in this increasingly tall walled garden in the first place? Privacy? How long until AI BS makes that an impossibility and they cave anyway. What if I would be willing to pay for iWork only? No option. Even M$ lets me buy a form of Office with only Word, Excel, and Powerpoint.

Apple is just getting increasingly greedy and giving us less-and-less. Microsoft is already there.
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I completely disagree. I think Apple is giving us great products with increasing value, and isn’t as “greedy” as you seem to believe. While competitors like Microsoft keep upping their prices on services that Microsoft has a stranglehold on like Office software, that many can’t choose not to buy, Apple has largely kept their pricing low and consistent over the years… And I think they’re pricing is very reasonable.

As to purchasing just the AI stuff in the iWork suite as an option, I wouldn’t be opposed to that. And they very well may do that… 🤷🏼‍♂️

I think we’re drifting off-topic though, so I think we should just agree to disagree, because we clearly have very different perspectives, which isn’t really a bad thing, it’s just don’t think either of us are going to change our minds/opinions. 👍🏻. I respect your opinion, I just strongly disagree with it. 🙂👍🏻
 
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