iPad expectation twists

[jclardy]

You're living in a dream world mate. Apple won't be releasing a quad core this time...they were late to the dual core race and have only just added support for hspa+ - still no LTE.

Really? Dual core android tablets weren't released (Announced way earlier, but talk doesn't mean anything unless people can buy it) until Feb 2011. iPad 2 came out a month later...hardly late. Doesn't mean Apple will jump on the quad-core bandwagon, but I don't really care as the iPad 2 was fast enough for now, and the iPad 3 will be faster.

As for LTE i'm not so sure. Since the iPad 3 will be lasting around a year, I would think Apple would want to start integrating LTE chipsets as it will be 2013 by the time the next iPad is released and pretty much every other tablet with cellular wireless will have LTE support.

 

[Jordom115]

This is one of the factors that contribute in the success of Apple.

Plenty of fanatics ready just to second the hype and to buy whatever a compant produces, no matter the details and no matter anything else.

This certainly is positive for Apple, but sad for people who understand that.

Yes, I'll buy an iPad no matter what the specs because the specs are not nearly as important as the experience and in my all my experience. I have have very few bad experiences with all my many apple products over the years. I have had every iPhone and have never been let down. This will be my first iPad and I am extremely confident I will be very happy with it's performance and more importantly with my overall experience with the device.

Specs only matter when you've gotten everything else right. In my humble opinion, no other mobile platform can provide the stability, simplicity and incredible functionality that iOS provides.

I don't have a problem with Android, but every time I try out the latest version, I just don't see how it could ever really be better for someone like me (someone who is not a coder, or programer and someone who is more than willing to pay for any content or software that I desire)

I get that for some people Android, or RIM or Windows mobile makes more sense, but for most people Apple just has the easy to use experience nailed.

 

[urkel]

This is one of the factors that contribute in the success of Apple.

Plenty of fanatics ready just to second the hype and to buy whatever a compant produces, no matter the details and no matter anything else.

But what was the last hype-driven line-creating product that was disappointing?

The reason people are so willing to buy sight-unseen is because Apple EARNED trust from its user base by consistently providing quality products. And that is the true reason for Apple's success.

 

[Night Spring]

If i were apple id totally would make this happen. But has someone ever known for 99% sure apple leaked something into the world just to put something more powerful in the end product? On purpose just to exite the crowd?

I'm not aware of any instance they did this with a product feature, but I'm convinced they did it with the price of the original iPad. Leaks right before release suggested the price point would be close to $1000, so everyone was blown away when Steve said $499.

Apple being one of the worlds leading brand needs to put their foot down because if they continue to do minor upgrades people are gonna seek alternatives.

Or they might simply just upgrade every other year instead of doing it every year.

 

[LostSoul80]

But what was the last hype-driven line-creating product that was disappointing?

For who? For the market, or for me?
I don't let the hype decide for me. Instead, I judge what I can see without blindingly supporting, like a fanatic, an unreleased product (this is so absurd, but only few apparently realize), and even more a company.

The reason people are so willing to buy sight-unseen is because Apple EARNED trust from its user base by consistently providing quality products. And that is the true reason for Apple's success.

I agree, Apple has produced quality products.
This is by no means a reason to give future products full trust without evidence.
That said, you're totally free to be close minded.

 

[miamialley]

Hows this for a twist:

iPad 2S:
- Same Screen
- Same Camera
- 3G Option
- A5X Chip
$299 Starting Price

iPad 3:
-Retina
-8MP camera
-LTE Option
-NFC
-A6 quad core chip
$499 Starting Price

This enables two tiers. One for people that want a Pro level iPad, another for those who complain about people that want a Pro level iPad.

NFC on an iPad? Anyone with an iPad has a cell phone - the more appropriate place for NFC. Is there an iPad use for NFC that I'm not considering? I also don't see any point in releasing a 3 and a 2S. There will be the 2 as the lower tier.

 

[maclook]

For who? For the market, or for me?
I don't let the hype decide for me. Instead, I judge what I can see without blindingly supporting, like a fanatic, an unreleased product (this is so absurd, but only few apparently realize), and even more a company.

I won't argue that some people blindly buy Apple products but those of us that know Apple's patterns already know what we're getting. I didn't upgrade my Mac for 5 years and probably won't for another few years. iOS products are different. Their resale value makes it easy to upgrade annually or every other year. We already know we love the software and the hardware only gets better every upgrade.

I sold my iPhone 4 for more than the cost of the 4S. I was disappointed with the 4S but can't complain because I have a better camera and the whole thing is technically faster. I don't want to be disappointed by the iPad 3 because I actually have to pay to upgrade after selling my iPad 2. Selling it was a gamble, but it's not like the 3 is going to be worse than the 2.

 

[daleski75]

Couldn't Apple do something based on the new Qualcomm Snapdragon S4 MSM8960 CPU which trounces the current competition (dual core) and reaches as high as 1.5ghz

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5559/...mance-preview-msm8960-adreno-225-benchmarks/2

 

[mikepro]

Couldn't Apple do something based on the new Qualcomm Snapdragon S4 MSM8960 CPU which trounces the current competition (dual core) and reaches as high as 1.5ghz

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5559/...mance-preview-msm8960-adreno-225-benchmarks/2

They could, but I doubt it, since ARM was started as a joint venture with Apple, and they have worked to custom design their A# processors, I think it's pretty certain they will stick with an A5X or A6 variant.

 

[matttye]

Really? Dual core android tablets weren't released (Announced way earlier, but talk doesn't mean anything unless people can buy it) until Feb 2011. iPad 2 came out a month later...hardly late. Doesn't mean Apple will jump on the quad-core bandwagon, but I don't really care as the iPad 2 was fast enough for now, and the iPad 3 will be faster.

As for LTE i'm not so sure. Since the iPad 3 will be lasting around a year, I would think Apple would want to start integrating LTE chipsets as it will be 2013 by the time the next iPad is released and pretty much every other tablet with cellular wireless will have LTE support.

Toshiba were shipping dual core tablets in November 2010.

Apple is not impulsive, they're slow and steady..they get things right. They're not likely to be one of the first to release a quad core tablet, let's face it. And why would they be when the current gen iPads are incredibly smooth anyway? The fact is they don't *need* quad core processors to impress anyone. They'll probably just upgrade the gpu, give the processor a slight bump and be done with it.

They haven't added LTE yet either because the chipsets use a lot of power..like I said, slow and steady. they make their customers wait but, in doing so, maintain the high standard that people come to expect from them.

 

[urkel]

I agree, Apple has produced quality products.
This is by no means a reason to give future products full trust without evidence.
That said, you're totally free to be close minded.

"Close minded"? Closed-minded is when people are intolerant or hostile towards the opinions of others. So you may consider understanding the words you use before going around trying to judge people with them. Otherwise, someone might accidentally assume you some sort of royal D-bag.

The iPad 3 falls right in line with buying tickets to Dark Knight Rises or The Avengers without watching the trailer. There's enough history there that if you liked the previous installments then you can blindly go in and expect to be happy with the product. Sure, that sort of enthusiasm can backfire and you end up with The Godfather Part 3 or The 2nd/3rd Matrix, but so far Apple has had more hits than misses so assuming "the next iPad is better than the last one" is a rational opinion. And if it sucks then thats okay too because I can always sell it and get something else.

 

[LostSoul80]

"Close minded"? Closed-minded is when people are intolerant or hostile towards the opinions of others. So you may consider understanding the words you use before going around trying to judge people with them. Otherwise, someone might accidentally assume you some sort of royal D-bag.

Given your inability to understand, for this time (and only once ), I'll give you a hint on what I meant.
Read it carefully though, and do this when you can to avoid making a bad impression.

"That said, you're totally free to be close minded (and to utterly refuse the logic I just expressed, thus displaying a closed mind) ".

P.S. Check your dictionary, close-minded is a valid entry. .

The iPad 3 falls right in line with buying tickets to Dark Knight Rises
[snip]

I don't like Dark Night Rises, so hope you don't mind I stopped reading there.

 

[Night Spring]

"That said, you're totally free to be close minded (and to utterly refuse the logic I just expressed, thus displaying a closed mind) ".

I have to say, you are coming off as saying anyone who doesn't agree with you is close-minded.

The poster you are arguing with is saying that he will take Apple's past performance as an indication that their future products will likely be high quality as well, and so is willing to buy them sight unseen, knowing full well he risks getting a dud. You are saying past performance is no guarantee of future quality, and you will withold judgement until the product is actually released. Both points of view are valid and a matter of personal preference. If the other poster is saying past performance *guarantees* future quality, then yes, he is being delusional, but that's not what he is saying at all.

 

[LostSoul80]

Another reply?

I have to say, you are coming off as saying anyone who doesn't agree with you is close-minded.

Never said that. I meant (should be obvious after I've even explained it) he/she/it is free to "utterly refuse" my point of view, which is rather different than "disagreeing".

Also notice I haven't said anyone is close-minded. I have instead pointed out the possibility of such a behaviour (which wouldn't surprise me at all given the context).

The poster you are arguing with is saying that he will take Apple's past performance as an indication that their future products will likely be high quality as well, and so is willing to buy them sight unseen, knowing full well he risks getting a dud. You are saying past performance is no guarantee of future quality, and you will withold judgement until the product is actually released. Both points of view are valid and a matter of personal preference. If the other poster is saying past performance *guarantees* future quality, then yes, he is being delusional, but that's not what he is saying at all.

It's reasonable to trust a product only if we have evidence that supports it.
It's not reasonable (indipendently on the end result) to trust a ghost. This of course doesn't mean you can't be unreasonable, if you like it (that's your problem).


Now please, someone find some two words of mine and quote.

 

[poloponies]

Another reply?



Never said that. I meant (should be obvious after I've even explained it) he/she/it is free to "utterly refuse" my point of view, which is rather different than "disagreeing".

Also notice I haven't said anyone is close-minded. I have instead pointed out the possibility of such a behaviour (which wouldn't surprise me at all given the context).



It's reasonable to trust a product only if we have evidence that supports it.
It's not reasonable (indipendently on the end result) to trust a ghost. This of course doesn't mean you can't be unreasonable, if you like it (that's your problem).


Now please, someone find some two words of mine and quote.

Some people like Apple products because that's what they know and find reliable and some buy for some "cachet." Doesn't make either one wrong. It wasn't that long ago that people were waiting for the new model Cadillac Eldorado or Chevy Impala. Good marketing (and a reliable product) create a visceral response in the consumer. There's not a whole lot wrong in saying "I intend to buy the next iPad unless Apple takes some horrible unexpected misstep." (see, e.g. the "Flower Power iMac") Not all that different than dad saying "I'm trading in the Caddy for a new one this September."

 

[neutrino23]

I know its not likely to happen but like it would be nice

Apple being one of the worlds leading brand needs to put their foot down because if they continue to do minor upgrades people are gonna seek alternatives.

At the minute it is "Cool" to own Apple products but if this minor upgrade method keeps continuing people are gonna realise they cannot justify the price they are paying every year and will seek elsewhere.

Apple needs to be careful. I know they can snort and say we will still sell MILLIONS anyway

Every empire has fallen...

With all due respect, I don't see how the iPad 3 can be characterized as a "minor" upgrade if it has a Retina display but not a quad core chip. Doubling the resolution will produce an amazing display which will be unique in the industry.

The rumors are that quad core mobile CPUs won't be out till later this year so I don't expect that. It seems a little too early for LTE in the iPad. There are not that many places with LTE coverage yet. Besides, if you really want it you can get a MiFi device or similar.

 

[Night Spring]

Another reply?

This is a forum, why are you confused you are getting replys to your posts?

Also notice I haven't said anyone is close-minded. I have instead pointed out the possibility of such a behaviour (which wouldn't surprise me at all given the context).

If you don't mean to imply that someone is being close-minded, why even bring it up?

 

[LostSoul80]

This is a forum, why are you confused you are getting replys to your posts?

I'm not confused (your assumption), just tired of the quality and the subject of the replies.

If you don't mean to imply that someone is being close-minded, why even bring it up?

I've never said I wouldn't imply/predict such a behaviour.

Also, notice I have no reason whatsoever to justify anything I write, or "bring up", to you.

 

[poloponies]

Apple being one of the worlds leading brand needs to put their foot down because if they continue to do minor upgrades people are gonna seek alternatives.

At the minute it is "Cool" to own Apple products but if this minor upgrade method keeps continuing people are gonna realise they cannot justify the price they are paying every year and will seek elsewhere.

Apple needs to be careful. I know they can snort and say we will still sell MILLIONS anyway

Every empire has fallen...

People will seek alternatives once the device stops meeting their needs, not because it has a dual-core instead of a quad-core. Believe it or not, the percentage of people who care about these things is pretty small. There are 6 iPad owners within spitting distance of my office. I can guarantee that not one knows - or cares - about what's inside their iPad. They just know what their expectations are and that the device meets those expectations.

You're really overdramatizing the situation. Apple needs to maintain sales and to also encourage existing owners to "upgrade" and they'll add new features/functionality to achieve that result.

In the end you're just obsessing about a feature that may or may not enhance the user experience to any great end. If the answer was simply to jam in as many specs as possible then why aren't we seeing record performance from other manufacturers? Because Apple's connecting with the consumer, not merely shoving a bunch of specs in a box.