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I hate that Apple has jumped on the smaller=less powerful bandwagon. I didn't buy the mini over the air because it was cheaper, I bought it because I prefer the smaller form factor. Same with my 6 over the 6s. I'd be happy to pay $100 more to get the latest tech. It's more unsatisfying to feel like I have to choose to pay up to $800 for less than last year's technology, or pay a little more than that to get the latest specs in a form factor I don't want.

This year's update isn't terrible, it's actually a little tempting with the ram update and the weight reduction. But looking at those charts, it doesn't look like a great improvement over my mini 2 and I'm not sure that's worth the price of a new mini when the resale value of older tablets plummets so quickly. However, apple's new strategy seems to be major tablet updates every 2 years, so this is probably it until 2017.
Would it be possible for Apple to remove iPad mini line, and promote iPad Pro?
 
Would it be possible for Apple to remove iPad mini line, and promote iPad Pro?

I don't think is would be a smart move to get rid of iPad mini.
For many customers it has the best form factor for a tablet so they'd lose market share.
If they want to promote the Pro they can continue to provide it with the latest and greatest hardware like the new A9X and keep the Air and Mini with a 12 months old chip
 
I don't think is would be a smart move to get rid of iPad mini.
For many customers it has the best form factor for a tablet so they'd lose market share.
If they want to promote the Pro they can continue to provide it with the latest and greatest hardware like the new A9X and keep the Air and Mini with a 12 months old chip
Or they can even promote iPad Pro with, say dual processors, double RAM every year, quadruple GPU cores every two years, blah blah. Yeah, set a fairly clear performance bar to let every customer see the great difference.
 
Why? I've seen so many people claim that with no reasoning. Nothing wrong with the iPad 3. The iPad 3 was a lot more powerful then the iPad 2.

It was awful, I had some and upgraded to the far superior iPad 4 the day it came out - my mum still has had iPad 3 and its an utter sluggish dog compared to all other iPads ever released - but if you're used to it you wouldn't notice.
 
Probably apple doesn't figure out a way to remove air layer between screen and touch screen. So you will hear that cheap tap sound when tapping on screen. I don't hear anything on my iPhone 6 plus when tapping by the way, if I don't put it on desktop, letting that protruding camera emit annoying click sound.

The Air 2 has a bonded display that doesn't make the tap sound. The Mini 4 is supposed to have the same bonded display.
 
Wait for the reviews to come out first. We're currently speculating whether the A8 in the mini 4 has the same gpu as the iPhone 6 or it has an enhanced one like the A8x. My guess it has the same anemic gpu that has my 6 plus feeling slow (at least compared to my lightning fast Air 2, keep in mind the mini 4 has a much higher resolution than the 6 plus) Honestly if he's into iOS gaming, the triple-core A8X with it's superior GPU should enable much better longevity. Besides, since the Air 2 is now 'old', black friday discounts should place it even much cheaper than the mini 4.

Speculate no more. Ars has posted benchmarks.
 
Speculate no more. Ars has posted benchmarks.
Do you have a link?
I only see geekbench benchmarks which don't check the gpu.

Have you used it? Is it noticeably slower than the Air 2 in actual real world usage (not benchmarks)?
Considering the performance delta between my 6 plus and air 2 is very noticeable, the difference should be there. Unless the 2gb ram makes such a big difference that the mini 4 feels the same as the air 2. Then we can put to rest that 1gb is enough arguments.
 
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I'm still running the 1st generation iPad Mini, so I've been itching to upgrade. The Mini 4 is what I was looking for until I stopped into my local Apple Store and test drove the iPad Air 2 -- and that's what I went for. The Retina display is dazzling, and it's so thin and light that it won't be more difficult to travel with than the Mini. I have an iPhone 6+, so the bigger jump in screen size of the Air 2 makes more sense now.
 
Will wait for a deal around January,and then upgrade my Mini 2 to 4..although I wish it had A8X.but 2GB Ram is definitely a welcome upgrade as 1 GB was just not enough.

Mini is the best iPad formfactor,no question.
 
Or they can even promote iPad Pro with, say dual processors, double RAM every year, quadruple GPU cores every two years, blah blah. Yeah, set a fairly clear performance bar to let every customer see the great difference.
Not enough will find as much interest in the pro compared to the mini imo
 
I'm slowly losing respect for Apple. Ever since Tim Cook took over, it's been all about pinching pennies and innovation that's slow to a crawl. Apple used to be more about the customer and innovation with the stockholders as an addition to the company, and now it's all about the stockholders only, at least that's what it seems like. The most previous keynote was a complete disaster.

For example, if you release a 3D touch feature for the iPhone 6S and 6S Plus, then why not release it for the iPad Pro (without the $100 pen plus tax), the iPad mini 4, and an iPad air 3? Oh that's right, you have to have a reason to buy the iPhone 6S or 6S plus, so they won't do that, and there wasn't an iPad 3 displayed at the event.

Where is the iPad Air 3? Oh wait, it doesn't exist, I guess they didn't want to purchase slightly more expensive parts this year and would rather keep the iPad Air 2 as the flagship tablet device with year old parts instead.

Anyone remember the jump from the iPad mini 2 to the iPad mini 3? Just slap touch ID and a slightly faster processor in it, and there we go! $100 more. Like, um, okay? How about some major improvements?

And with Apple Pay. No support in Canada or Australia yet. Why? Because Apple wants a piece of the pie. So Apple is more worried about making $ 0.015 of a dollar per transaction instead of trying to maximize how many people can use their service? Get real, Tim.

And at last, everyone's favorite. The such tight penny pinching, that Apple can't even start their devices at 32 GB of storage. So while every other tech company is beginning to start their devices at $199 (two year contract price) for a 32 GB device, Apple is making you pay either $199 for half of that storage, or $100 more than any other smartphone so the average user can have enough storage to put everything on their phone. All of this to save a few bucks.

So in other words, now that Tim Cook has taken over, it's been about profits over quality and user experience. Pathetic. Tim won't be the CEO of Apple five years from now.
 
So in other words, now that Tim Cook has taken over, it's been about profits over quality and user experience. Pathetic. Tim won't be the CEO of Apple five years from now.
Tim will totally be the CEO of Apple five years from now as long as he continues bringing $$$ to shareholders. The only way to force Apple to reverse course is to stop buying their products. The moment numbers for iPhone 6s(+) are announced as "record breaking", Tim's reign is extended by another year. The moment numbers are announced as "disappointing" (not by analysts, who would call five billion phones disappointing), Tim's reign gets closer to the end. Shareholders have zero interests in what people think about a 16GB entry model. They care about how big the year-to-year profit is.
 
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I'm slowly losing respect for Apple. Ever since Tim Cook took over, it's been all about pinching pennies and innovation that's slow to a crawl. Apple used to be more about the customer and innovation with the stockholders as an addition to the company, and now it's all about the stockholders only, at least that's what it seems like. The most previous keynote was a complete disaster.

For example, if you release a 3D touch feature for the iPhone 6S and 6S Plus, then why not release it for the iPad Pro (without the $100 pen plus tax), the iPad mini 4, and an iPad air 3? Oh that's right, you have to have a reason to buy the iPhone 6S or 6S plus, so they won't do that, and there wasn't an iPad 3 displayed at the event.

Where is the iPad Air 3? Oh wait, it doesn't exist, I guess they didn't want to purchase slightly more expensive parts this year and would rather keep the iPad Air 2 as the flagship tablet device with year old parts instead.

Anyone remember the jump from the iPad mini 2 to the iPad mini 3? Just slap touch ID and a slightly faster processor in it, and there we go! $100 more. Like, um, okay? How about some major improvements?

And with Apple Pay. No support in Canada or Australia yet. Why? Because Apple wants a piece of the pie. So Apple is more worried about making $ 0.015 of a dollar per transaction instead of trying to maximize how many people can use their service? Get real, Tim.

And at last, everyone's favorite. The such tight penny pinching, that Apple can't even start their devices at 32 GB of storage. So while every other tech company is beginning to start their devices at $199 (two year contract price) for a 32 GB device, Apple is making you pay either $199 for half of that storage, or $100 more than any other smartphone so the average user can have enough storage to put everything on their phone. All of this to save a few bucks.

So in other words, now that Tim Cook has taken over, it's been about profits over quality and user experience. Pathetic. Tim won't be the CEO of Apple five years from now.
yeah..that's the trend.
 
care to explain? i'm slow at figuring the difference..unless you're talking about the price.

"What's the iPad Mini 4?
We have taken the power and performance of iPad Air 2 and built it into a..."

It, however runs the A8 instead of the more powerful(and future-proofy) A8X the iPad Air 2 has.
 
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"What's the iPad Mini 4?
We have taken the power and performance of iPad Air 2 and built it into a..."

It, however runs the A8 instead of the more powerful(and future-proofy) A8X the iPad Air 2 has.
AH! I get what you're saying. Do you think he meant that literally, do you? Maybe he was just saying that to make it sound good...i mean..he is a salesman.
 
AH! I get what you're saying. Do you think he meant that literally, do you? Maybe he was just saying that to make it sound good...i mean..he is a salesman.

Huh?
Why would I have any reason to believe otherwise(before realizing later on that the Mini 4 would have the A8 that is)?

Their keynote claims are always true; 50% better CPU, twice as fast as previous gen etc

Do you really think the power/performance of the Mini 4 will be different when he said that?
 
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