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iPad Mini 4 Uses Speed-Bumped 1.5 GHz A8 Chip With 2 GB of RAM
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There's a thing called false advertisement and when a salesman promises you something of the item you're buying and delivers something else instead...
Can we not just get over this? People are taking this too literally. By performance he could quite well have meant an A8 class SOC and 2GB RAM. At no point did he promise identical performance results. Even the official site lists the performance stats as different between the Air 2 and mini 4.
If the A8 in the mini 4 is not for you then don't buy it.
If the A8 in the mini 4 is not for you then don't buy it.
Well, if you're introducing a new device in a presentation that lasts 2 hours and all you say about that new device is one paragraph, you better make sure it's on point.
His sentence was SCRIPTED and going by that it's a lie. Period. If he only wanted to make it sound good and be vague, he chose the wrong words big time.
What I'm most annoyed by is the users here on this board (not pointing the finger at you, I'm going on a tangent here only) who defend Apple to the last bits and ridicule the statement that Apple is doomed.
No, they are not doomed, but they are losing more and more of what they once stood for.
I as a customer couldn't care less about their profits, which is what they will often go by to fight off the, granted exaggerated, statement that Apple is doomed, but if you put on your thinking caps you'll quickly notice that Apple is losing a path, having replaced it with the one pretty much all the other tech companies go for.
They aren't very different anymore. They are just premium and upsell and a shell of their former selves, with many benefits to other companies still and a lot of people invested into their products financially, ecosystem-wise, file format-wise, ...
As long as Apple is making good bank these idiots will say that Apple is doing fine, completely ignoring that they are getting shafted.
I hate this, because they give Apple card blanche to continue with this.
Apple could offer an 8GB iPhone for 50 bucks less and get rid of the 16GB model and people would justify the 150$ upgrade to 64GB.
The magic is lost and the presentations have lost their appeal. I watch them for Federighi's jokes and to play rumor bingo.
Also for OS updates, I like seeing new features, they are more exciting than the new hardware.
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1) Thanks for not pointing finger at me.
2) I hear you..they did lose their way
3) I don't know about you, but for me it's not surprising to hear Phil saying some bs stuff just to sell. Scripted or not...what matters the most is the person who's going to buy it. The buyer will look at the specs and will decide if whether to buy or not.
In Germany they don't seem to be a massively favored retailer.
I waited for 2 weeks months after release with Amazon when there seemed to be a rush on their inventory.
That's of course just my experience and with various factors being different.
I'd get it from them though if you save cash, but I know you can use the credit towards something else just as well and want the iPad quick.
In the end, only consider the VAT you save, the credit can go to something else still.
Glassed Silver:mac
iPhone 6 > iPad Mini 4 > iPad Air 2
Overall:
2910 > 3121 > 4542
Integer
3257 > 3569 > 5112
Floating Point
3092 > 3360 > 4891
Memory
1853 > 1748 > 2707
These are the numbers in the chart. The iPad Mini 4 is MUCH closer to the iPhone 6 than the iPad Air 2! ...No one cares about single core scores, those only count for typing and maybe email.
That being said, I was at T-mo store today, while waiting looking at the iPad Air 2 and iPad Mini 3 on display, I have to say the screen tech in the Air 2 is impressive, and is implemented in the Mini 4, so, that does help some.
Apple still lied.
The geek will look at the specs. The average buyer will go "ooh it's as fast as Air 2, I'll have two".
As long as the performance matches the air 2 then i think thats the main thing. looking forward to the reviews.
Tempted to get one for on the go and just leave my air 2 at home.
Totally serious.
Of course any A8 chip will have single core scores nearly the same, duh. What makes the iPad Air 2 better/unique is the A8X and the new screen tech.
Apple lied. (Phil Schiller: "So whats the iPad mini 4? Well simply, we've taken the power and performance of iPad Air 2, and built it into an even smaller and mini enclosure")
They could have stated that they took the A8 processor used in multiple iOS devices and paired it with the screen tech in the iPad Air 2 and that would have been safe, but to state that it was an iPad Air 2 in a Mini form factor is a lie
.Unfortunately, after seeing iPad Air 2 & iPad Mini 3 side by side, I have to admit, the screen tech in the Air 2 is very enticing for getting the Mini 4.
Don't buy it then. If it doesn't meet your expectation, you don't have to buy it.Totally serious.
Of course any A8 chip will have single core scores nearly the same, duh. What makes the iPad Air 2 better/unique is the A8X and the new screen tech.
Apple lied. (Phil Schiller: "So whats the iPad mini 4? Well simply, we've taken the power and performance of iPad Air 2, and built it into an even smaller and mini enclosure")
They could have stated that they took the A8 processor used in multiple iOS devices and paired it with the screen tech in the iPad Air 2 and that would have been safe, but to state that it was an iPad Air 2 in a Mini form factor is a lie
Unfortunately, after seeing iPad Air 2 & iPad Mini 3 side by side, I have to admit, the screen tech in the Air 2 is very enticing for getting the Mini 4.
Totally serious.
Of course any A8 chip will have single core scores nearly the same, duh. What makes the iPad Air 2 better/unique is the A8X and the new screen tech.
Apple lied. (Phil Schiller: "So whats the iPad mini 4? Well simply, we've taken the power and performance of iPad Air 2, and built it into an even smaller and mini enclosure")
They could have stated that they took the A8 processor used in multiple iOS devices and paired it with the screen tech in the iPad Air 2 and that would have been safe, but to state that it was an iPad Air 2 in a Mini form factor is a lie
Unfortunately, after seeing iPad Air 2 & iPad Mini 3 side by side, I have to admit, the screen tech in the Air 2 is very enticing for getting the Mini 4.
Lied, sure.
If you're so hurt and so sure it was a lie, go ahead and sue 'em.@benji888 You do realise the majority of applications are single threaded which is why that figure is so important? Granted, applications that are multithreaded will see a nice gain and that extra core will be a real asset for multitasking. To say only email, browsing the web and stuff is well wide of the mark.
If single-threaded performance was the end all for iOS performance, then why in the hell is the iPhone 6 so much slower than the iPad Air 2 despite the minimal difference in single-thread performance?
Could well be the difference in RAM. It all depends on exactly which tasks are slower. Could easily be something else running on the iPhone causing an issue.
Go to the Apple Store and demo the iPhone 6 vs air 2. Everything is more sluggish. The difference is even bigger on the 6 plus. On memory, there's been a ton of posters her who claim that the 1gb was plenty and shouldn't be making a big difference in performance.
Some of us like to have the best tech in the smaller form factor. I hate the "bigger is better" marketing apple has been doing more and more of. I would prefer options that correlate to what buyers want. They should have put the A9 in it, if running more cores (A8X) would create too much heat or need a bigger battery. I'm not the only one that thinks this way. Over at imore, I think it was Serenity, had an iPad Mini and was ready for an upgrade, and back last year when they only added TouchID to make the Mini 3, she was disappointed as well, spoke at length about it in one of their podcasts, prefers the smaller form factor, but, ended up getting the Air 2 because she needed the performance. There are many of us that want the latest, best tech, but the smaller form factor. There used to be a smaller is better marketing, but, now we're back to the american idiot's guide to marketing, bigger is better, which I have never liked or bought into.
I also have an iPhone 6, not the plus, but wanted the best camera, however, I can't get the best camera without buying the plus, but, I don't want that big herkin' thing in my pocket, I want a phone, it should be a matter of size choice! ...I also would have been happier with a 4.3" screened iPhone than the 4.7", then I could one-hand it, as it is, to one-hand it means holding it in my hand in such a way as it feels like I'll drop it, I can't hold it securely and use my thumb, it's just a little too big.
Next year, Apple will come out with the A10 processor, so, getting the Mini 4 now, with A8, will make it 2 generations behind in one year. If you hold on to it for a few years, (like I do), it won't perform as well with future iOS updates.
I also have an iPhone 6, not the plus, but wanted the best camera, however, I can't get the best camera without buying the plus, but, I don't want that big herkin' thing in my pocket, I want a phone, it should be a matter of size choice! ...I also would have been happier with a 4.3" screened iPhone than the 4.7", then I could one-hand it, as it is, to one-hand it means holding it in my hand in such a way as it feels like I'll drop it, I can't hold it securely and use my thumb, it's just a little too big.
Next year, Apple will come out with the A10 processor, so, getting the Mini 4 now, with A8, will make it 2 generations behind in one year. If you hold on to it for a few years, (like I do), it won't perform as well with future iOS updates.
Please stop making excuses for Apple - re: possible heat issues. There are no fans on any of the iDevices, they don't need massives bodies to cool them. If there were any technical issues, it would come down to the physical size of the chip, and the size of battery required.
It's pretty clear that it's a deliberate positioning policy of keeping the iPad mini to be a smaller, less powerful, cheaper model than the iPad Air 2 (which they haven't refreshed), and that in turn is smaller, less powerful, cheaper than the iPad Pro.
Because of course Apple consumers are sheep to be herded to whatever Apple wants to push on us, rather than giving us the tools that we actually need (the standard iPad Air - and even more so the iPad Pro - are simply too big for my uses, I need a mini, and I want it to be as powerful as possible. And it's a disgrace the iOS 9 doesn't run properly on the iPad Mini 3 - all because of completely unnecessary and actually less user friendly animations).
It's pretty clear that it's a deliberate positioning policy of keeping the iPad mini to be a smaller, less powerful, cheaper model than the iPad Air 2 (which they haven't refreshed), and that in turn is smaller, less powerful, cheaper than the iPad Pro.
Because of course Apple consumers are sheep to be herded to whatever Apple wants to push on us, rather than giving us the tools that we actually need (the standard iPad Air - and even more so the iPad Pro - are simply too big for my uses, I need a mini, and I want it to be as powerful as possible. And it's a disgrace the iOS 9 doesn't run properly on the iPad Mini 3 - all because of completely unnecessary and actually less user friendly animations).
Speak for yourself. I am not herded anywhere by Apple, I enjoy their products but I didn't buy a mini 3 because it wasn't a justifiable upgrade to me. I didn't buy an iPhone 6 because I prefer the 4" screen on a phone so stuck with the 5s. I didn't buy a retina Macbook because it is under powered for my needs. I bought a mini 4 because it gave me the two upgrades I wanted in the smaller chassis - 2GB RAM and Laminated screen.
It is entirely the consumers choice what they buy.
Has anyone done any tests on the new Mini 4 with 2GB of RAM to compare Safari tabs reloading compared to the Mini 2 or Mini 3?
