iPad Mini 5?

Discussion in 'iPad' started by slvrscoobie, Sep 2, 2016.

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Any new iPads this year

Poll closed Sep 9, 2016.
  1. iPad Mini 5

    14 vote(s)
    48.3%
  2. iPad Pro Mini

    6 vote(s)
    20.7%
  3. No iPad Mini but maybe a iPad something...

    3 vote(s)
    10.3%
  4. No iPads peroid

    6 vote(s)
    20.7%
  1. slvrscoobie macrumors 6502a

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    #1
    Whats the over / under on Apple releasing an ipad mini 5 / ipad pro mini?
    Im on a mini 3 and ios10 is really slowing it down. Was thinking of moving to the 4 for better graphics ect, but figured Id wait till the announcement.
    Heard a few people saying no ipads released or ipad mini being discontinued.
     
  2. joeblow7777 macrumors 601

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    There's no reason to think that the iPad Mini is being discontinued. It's hard to guess what will happen to the various iPad lines in the immediate future. I suspect that there won't be another iPad release in 2016. Or maybe a new 12" Pro... But then again, a new Mini might be a good idea leading into the holidays... I really don't know.
     
  3. bodonnell202 macrumors 6502a

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    This one is hard to say, but I suspect the Mini will get a minor refresh this year with an A9 processor and probably one or two other features from the bigger iPads (I'm thinking true tone display or maybe Apple Pencil support). It's probably worth waiting either way as if nothing else you'll probably be able to get a Mini 4 for cheaper as I can't see the Mini 2 sticking around in the lineup this fall.
     
  4. slvrscoobie thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    Yeah I was watching a bunch of ebay mini 4 w/ LTE of various sizes but decided I could pop for a new ipad mini if it showed up. Course the Air 2 9.7 isnt much larger these days with the smaller bezel. It would be super killer if there was a mini 5 with reduced bezel, like a mini air or something, or a reduced size ipad pro.(reduced from the 9.7")
     
  5. joeblow7777 macrumors 601

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    Bottom line: at this point it's probably best to wait 5 days before making any iPad purchase.
     
  6. slvrscoobie thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    Oh absolutely I'm just hoping I don't wait and nothing announced. Lol. I want something better than the 4 now haha
     
  7. joeblow7777 macrumors 601

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    The 4 is still pretty good! I use mine constantly.
     
  8. LiveM macrumors 6502a

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    Truetone display and Pencil support would be nice, but nothing else needs changing this year.
     
  9. AlphaStar macrumors newbie

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    I hope that Apple releases a new iPad mini because I would like to replace my mini 1 with something current.
    Apple should pot an overclocked A10 chip in it but it probably will get an A9.
     
  10. boston04and07, Sep 2, 2016
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    boston04and07 macrumors 65816

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    Yeah, I would absolutely love Pencil support on the next mini. That's pretty much the only thing that would get me to upgrade this year.

    Edited to add that a 256gb option would also be awesome.
     
  11. ColdShadow macrumors 6502a

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    I'd advice against Mini 4.
    I had a Mini 2 until recently (3 months ago) but it definitely started to feel slow,so I upgraded to Mini 4,but wasn't that impressed.definitely faster and gone where those horrible safari refreshes,but I start to think it won't be for long with iOS 10 so decided to sell it while I could still get most of my money and opted for the Pro 9.7.

    now the Pro 9.7 is noticeably superior to Mini 4 even while doing basic browsing,but the form factor and larger size doesn't suit my needs,and I definitely like the portable,light weight and form factor of Mini 4.
    This really feels heavy and uncomfortable to hold.

    So I'm anticipating the Mini 5.
    It will be a major let down if Apple don't release a Mini 5 with specs on par of Pro 7.9.
    I might even ditch the whole iPad line if they don't release one.
     
  12. Channan macrumors 68030

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    If Apple does update the iPad mini this year, for selfish reasons, I really hope they make it a Pro and raise the price. I don't want to upgrade from my iPad mini 4, and a higher starting price will make it easier to resist. :p
     
  13. joeblow7777 macrumors 601

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    I have to say, the complete lake of solid rumours or leaks regarding a Mini makes it seem really unlikely that one is launching this fall.

    Yes, the iPhone always steals the spotlight, but at this time last year I recall early reports of the Mini 4 and its specs. This year, nothing.
     
  14. Channan macrumors 68030

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    I haven't really heard of any iPad leaks at all, so either you're right and we don't get any iPad refresh, or Apple is doing a pretty good job keeping it a secret.
     
  15. slvrscoobie thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    Yea. I have the mini 3 which has the same guys as the mini 2 basically. And with iOS 10 beta it's slower than ever :(
    And yea, that's why I didn't get the 4 when I got the 3, the 4 didn't seem like much of a boost for the cash at the time, and definitely now I don't think I'd waste messing around with the buy/ sell of the used one just to get 1.6x faster processing and what? 1.4x faster graphics. Come on
     
  16. kazmac macrumors 601

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    if the next mini gets pencil support, sold.
     
  17. ColdShadow macrumors 6502a

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    I know what you are saying..
    It's really annoying to see some people here defending the Mini 4,I mean I payed full price for it and even started a thread here asking whether I it's worth upgrading from 2 to 4 but as you said the specs upgrade were just minimal and really stingy from Apple,infact without 2 GB Ram I'm sure it would be lagging just like 2 since I know iPhone 6 can feel slow and sometimes lag compared to 6s and Mini 4 has similar specs to now outdated iPhone 6.

    Apple should have put a faster CPU in Mini 4.
    I'm not a power user and don't play games on iOS but still I could immediately tell Pro 9.7 is so much faster than Mini 4,and thats not acceptable since they are charging premium for Mini 4 and it's supposed to be the high end 7.9 inch.
    But it's not.

    One thing I can suggest if they didn't release the Mini 5 is to buy a used (but in very good condition) Mini 4,that way you save alot and maybe you can get your money's worth.be ause the Mini 4 at full price is just not worth it and won't be fast enought in a year.
     
  18. joeblow7777 macrumors 601

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    No actual leaks, but I have seen some sites claim there is a mini 5 is coming and have speculated specs, but their only evidence is that the mini 4 came out a year ago.
     
  19. Channan macrumors 68030

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    For serious? The iPad mini 4 was a pretty massive upgrade over the iPad mini 2 and 3. I upgraded from the iPad mini 2 and performance is night and day. It's probably mostly because of the increase in RAM, but regardless, it performs much better.

    But not only is performance better, cameras are better if you care about that, the screen is nicer, and it's even thinner. I have absolutely no ragrets upgrading to the iPad mini 4. Not even a single letter.
     
  20. joeblow7777 macrumors 601

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    The 9.7" Pro came out several months after the Mini 4 and also costs considerably more, but you feel ripped off that the older less expensive device isn't as powerful as the new one?

    I've said before, if someone is interested in buying an iPad Mini it's probably because they want an 8" tablet, so compare it to other 8" tablets. It doesn't make sense to compare it to a different class of device, especially one that had the advantage of coming out half a year later.

    It's very likely that Apple didn't put a more powerful processor in the Mini 4 because it would use more power and generate more heat, two things that can be compensated for in a larger device but not so easily in a small one. Doubling the RAM to make the Mini 4, at the time of launch, one of only 3 iOS devices (including the concurrently launching iPad Pro) to have more than 1GB and be capable of splitscreen multitasking was no small thing. It's also worth noting that the A8 in the Mini 4 is a higher clocked than the one in the iPhone 6/6+, not that I've found my 6 to be slow anyway.

    At the time of launch, the Mini 4 matched every feature of the then flagship Air 2 except for the processor, and it cost $100 less. I don't see why you're complaining that a year later it's been surpassed by larger and more expensive iPads. That's the world of technology. Everything is gets surpassed by something faster within a year.
     
  21. ColdShadow macrumors 6502a

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    And I never said otherwise..
    It was a noticeable improvement over Mini 2/3 but just not worthy of being the flagship 7.9 inch product.
    use of the older A8 processor instead of using A9x,A9 or even A8x that was used in a year older iPad Air 2 was a major letdown.
    It performs adequetly now but the question is for how long? The processor is old now,it won't do well with future iOS updates.
    remember Mini 2 was on par with iPad Air.
    Mini 3 was just a Mini 2 with finger orint sensor,and we had Air 2,a year later Mini 4 comes with specs inferior to last years Air 2.
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    let's forget about Pro 9.7,but the Mini 4 is still less powerful that the one year older Air 2,and it's supposed to be the flagship 7.9 inch class iPad..

    your argument that Apple didn't make it more powerful because of hear/more power consumption is invalid,if you look at Mini 2,it was identical to iPad Air..with no heat issue or power issue.

    The Mini 4 should have been AT LEAST on par with the 1 year older Air 2.
    There is no justification why it has the 2 years old A8 CPU,not A9x? Ok..Not A9?? Not even A8x??

    some people think because the Mini is smaller form factor its acceptable for it to have 2 years older than 9.7 inchers specs..which I find ridiculous..its just a smaller form factor..and they are charging premium orice for it,so why so much compromise?
    again remember Mini 2 was identical to Air just smaller form factor..thats how it should be.
     
  22. joeblow7777 macrumors 601

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    I explained above why it probably wasn't practical to use a more demanding chip. The key term that you mentioned was "7.9" flagship". Why do you compare the mini to larger iPads?
     
  23. Math889 macrumors 65816

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    iPad mini is over... IPad mini 4 is the last mini enjoy it while u can !!!
     
  24. ColdShadow macrumors 6502a

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    and I explained with real existing example why it's absolutely practical to have a more demanding chip inside a mini with no problem.(did you even read my post? do you even know the specs and timeline of iPad Mini 2 and iPad Air?)
    I compare the mini to 9.7 inch iPads because there is no such thing as "cheap" "lower end" iPad vs "standard" iPad as you think..the iPad Mini is a premium iPad just like the standard size iPad,the only difference being smaller size.
    again go and study the history and line up of iPad Minis and compare them to their standard size iPads of same generation.
    Mini was supposed to be sMe powerful debice just in smaller form factor.
     
  25. joeblow7777 macrumors 601

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    I actually know the history of the iPad mini quite well. I'm something of a fan of small tablets.

    The Mini 2 was the one and only time the Mini was at complete parity with the larger model of the same generation. The Mini 4 is actually the next closest example, as the only difference between it and the then most current iPad, the Air 2, was an A8 rather than A8X. If memory serves, in single core performance the A8 isn't even that far behind the A8X.

    I don't know why or how they were able to have the Mini 2 match the Air (and actually, if you want to split hairs the A7 in the Mini 2 was slightly underclocked compared to the Air, which supports my statement about smaller devices and weaker processors) but the one example of parity is the exception, not the rule. From the very start the iPad Mini was introduced with the internals of an iPad 2, at the same time when the iPad 4 launched. The Mini 3 was a full generation behind as it had no internal upgrades (now THAT was a rip-off!). A general rule of thumb in technology is that making the same thing smaller is more difficult and costly. This is (in theory) why iPhones cost so much more than iPads. Yet every Mini has been less expensive than the corresponding 9.7" model. You can't have your cake and eat it too... Except with the Mini 2 which really was an anomaly.

    So given that the Minis always cost less than larger iPads and have to cram more or less the same technology into a smaller frame, no, it's not really fair to compare them. I compare Minis to the previous Minis and to other tablets in the same weight class, so to speak.

    But if an iPad, is an iPad, is an iPad in your eyes, how do you feel about the fact that the newer 9.7" Pro comes with a weaker processor and half the RAM as the 12" Pro? It's as far behind its big brother at the Mini is behind it, if not more so.

    "Study the history of the iPad Mini..." LOL. :cool:
     

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