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Amazon on the other hand made an honest mistake and I can easily see way because of how close together the speakers on not like you can hear any stereo sound out of them.

Honest mistake? Maybe they should have bought one and checked before they posted. That's not an honest mistake. That's publishing without a single shred of fact checking, which is simply ignorance.
 
Would love to see 2 additional speakers on top, 4 speakers total (for both iPad and iPad mini). That would give us stereo in any orientation, especially landscape. And better sound overall.
 
False. The ATSC is a bunch of pushovers just like the ITU, they've caved to big business and now both "standards" are anything but standards. Who's drinking the corporate kool-aid now? :cool:
Thanks for the comment before. But I’m confused by this one. ATSC is only for broadcast TV, is that your issue, that it should have been broadened in scope? It doesn’t cover things like Netflix, iPad screens, optical discs, etc. I don’t see any caving on TV standards, they all follow them. Unfortunately, the standard never covered bitrate, only resolution and color. If that’s what you mean, I’m with you 100%. My local stations all suck for bitrate due to add-on channels.
 
Apple makes X% profit and Y% profit from the app store, sounds like apple wants to "have its cake and eat it too"

If Apple's online app store is just peanuts, why does EA (the video game company that loves to nickle and dime its customers with online passes and season passes) want to get in the online app/game store business?

The fact they make money off the App Store doesn't change the fact that it is their "loss leader." Their business model is to make money off hardware (the App Store amounts to something like ~1% of all profit or revenue I can't even remember, it's negligible). The App Store, iTMS, Mac App Store all exist to enable the wonderful to come out on their devices, where they make the bulk of their profit.

Other companies have different models, such as Amazon, who has a similar "store" and some similar hardware, but their model is the opposite - their "loss leader" is the hardware (same with Google Nexus and B&N Nook), which they sell at or below cost (which is why they're all so cheap) and their revenue and profits are derived from content sales consumed on those devices.

The fact that EA (a software publisher with a totally different business model) wants to get in on some of that "store" action, says nothing about anything related to Apple's business model.
 
This is the sign of what is still coming. The modern iPads/Phones/Touches are nice, but they will definitely become amazing in another 2 or 3 years. They keep adding things they should have had for a while. Can't blame them, but it doesn't motivate me to buy one now since in 6 months or so will be something much better which I need rather than desire.
 
Apple makes X% profit and Y% profit from the app store, sounds like apple wants to "have its cake and eat it too"

If Apple's online app store is just peanuts, why does EA (the video game company that loves to nickle and dime its customers with online passes and season passes) want to get in the online app/game store business?

Easy. Because EA wants to kill game re-sales. Imagine buying a game and not being able to sell it.
 
Thanks for the comment before. But I’m confused by this one. ATSC is only for broadcast TV, is that your issue, that it should have been broadened in scope? It doesn’t cover things like Netflix, iPad screens, optical discs, etc. I don’t see any caving on TV standards, they all follow them. Unfortunately, the standard never covered bitrate, only resolution and color. If that’s what you mean, I’m with you 100%. My local stations all suck for bitrate due to add-on channels.
Yeah I wish the standard included more is what I think I'm getting at. Both more content, and also bitrate too to set standards for quality control. The "HD" monicker has been thrown around so much, even with things that don't even relate to moving pictures. It's frustrating. :mad:
 
Can someone tell me why Amazons wifi is faster? I swear Apple in their last two keynotes for the iPhone, iPad and iPad mini said that they now all have 'twice as fast' wifi? Does the Kindle Fire still have faster wifi than that?
 
I did appreciate the fact that Amazon chose to quote Gizmodo concerning what a POS the ipad mini is.

Big print above that comparison matrix.

Gizmodo, the most biased reporting source in the world, that has carried a grudge against Apple for two years now, all because Apple chose to call in the police when Gizmodo knowingly bought the stolen iphone. Oh, and that Apple then pointedly chose not to invite them to keynotes.
 
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Regardless of whether or not the speakers on the mini actually are stereo, the Kindle Fire HD's speakers are remarkably good for a tablet of that size, and the fact they are on the left and right when it's held in landscape mode means you get genuine stereo.

I have one, I watch movies on it, and I can assure you that the iPad mini will not sound as good, because no matter how amazing those speakers are, you won't perceive stereo. So, regardless of whether or not the iPad mini has two channel sound, it is stereo only in the most technical of ways. Speakers an inch apart aren't likely going to give any perceived separation of left and right, even in portrait mode, and certainly won't in landscape, which is how almost all movies are watched.

The iPad mini wins on build quality, weight, and to some extent the app store (for most people, even the Amazon app store is not all that limited). The Kindle Fire HD wins on price, sound, resolution, HDMI output, and ease of charging ports (micro USB trumps Lightning).

... And most importantly, the winner in overall & quality user experience is ... :D
 
The fact they make money off the App Store doesn't change the fact that it is their "loss leader." Their business model is to make money off hardware (the App Store amounts to something like ~1% of all profit or revenue I can't even remember, it's negligible). The App Store, iTMS, Mac App Store all exist to enable the wonderful to come out on their devices, where they make the bulk of their profit.

Other companies have different models, such as Amazon, who has a similar "store" and some similar hardware, but their model is the opposite - their "loss leader" is the hardware (same with Google Nexus and B&N Nook), which they sell at or below cost (which is why they're all so cheap) and their revenue and profits are derived from content sales consumed on those devices.

The fact that EA (a software publisher with a totally different business model) wants to get in on some of that "store" action, says nothing about anything related to Apple's business model.
Apple doesn't have a loss leader. They want to make a killing on everything, both hardware and software, services, accessories/adapters, and advertisement (though they suck at it here). Basically, they want to gouge their users as much as possible.
 
NO.

I am sick and tired of corporations manipulating the definition of words and phrases to suit their needs. 720p is NOT HD, unless the H stands for half-a$$. It's 1080p. 4G is NOT HSPA+ or WiMAX, it's LTE running at 100Mbps.

Apple can choose to put an HD screen in their iPad mini or keep their mouths closed when others point out their lack of one. They've chosen the latter. Now OWN IT.

I'm sorry but, 4G is actually LTE Advanced.

(I had to internet troll) :eek::D
 
Apple doesn't have a loss leader. They want to make a killing on everything, both hardware and software, services, accessories/adapters, and advertisement (though they suck at it here). Basically, they want to gouge their users as much as possible.

Yes, Apple has a loss leader, a few in fact. A quick googlemachine search will reveal articles from well known and more credible people than myself.

Though, you'll have to remove your troll tinted glasses first. ;)
 
false advertising and a mistake are two different things. Apple did do false adverting and lied.

Amazon on the other hand made an honest mistake and I can easily see way because of how close together the speakers on not like you can hear any stereo sound out of them.

How is what Apple is doing false advertising....Hell they aren't advertising stereo speakers......so what are you talking about.
 
NO.

I am sick and tired of corporations manipulating the definition of words and phrases to suit their needs. 720p is NOT HD, unless the H stands for half-a$$. It's 1080p. 4G is NOT HSPA+ or WiMAX, it's LTE running at 100Mbps.

Apple can choose to put an HD screen in their iPad mini or keep their mouths closed when others point out their lack of one. They've chosen the latter. Now OWN IT.

720P is certainly HD. It's a fact, according to those that define the standards. It's not the highest res form of HD, but nevertheless it's HD.
 
how about putting two speakers right next to each other and calling it legitimate stereo?
Kind of like someone celebrating unemployment of 7.8 % as a recovery.:d

apple isnt advertising it.....ok.......not sure if you noticed but this is macrumors.com, not apple.com
 
Amazon fail. The Kindle Fire HD has only 50000 apps, runs a heavily skinned version of Android that can never be upgraded, has a small ecosystem and there are ads running all the time. For this price I would just go for the Google Nexus 7, or step up and get the iPad mini.
 
I agree that HD was originally a marketing term to make 720p more amazing/revolutionary than it is. Now, even 1080p looks bad if the screen size is big enough. But that term has evolved to just mean 720p and or 1080p. I've accepted it now.

It's not so much a marketing term as it is one of the standards set in place by the ones creating the standards. The problem is when you use the term HD to in reference to something other than your typical tv size (say 19" and up). But it kind of lost its purpose when being applied to small screens, mobile devices, etc.
 
Yes, Apple has a loss leader, a few in fact. A quick googlemachine search will reveal articles from well known and more credible people than myself.

Though, you'll have to remove your troll tinted glasses first. ;)
Loss leader means taking a loss somewhere in order to gain somewhere else. Where has Apple taken a loss? 30% per app is not a lost. Exclusive access to adapters is not a loss. Nowhere have they taken a loss.
 
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