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Maybe I would like to have everything the normal iPad has, but in a smaller package?

The "whole point" you are talking about is likely how Apple will do it though. They will differentiate the products as much as they can, by removing features by purpose, so that you have to buy and own 10 different Apple products to cover your needs, when you would actually only need 5 of them if Apple removed the $$ in front of their eyes.

Sorry but I fail to see a need for a 8" tablet and a 10" tablet. If an 8" iPad doesn't have everything you want surely the 10" would. I'm curious what all your different needs are that would require you owning all these different Apple products. :confused:

Having said that, I do hope Apple doesn't cripple this device so they can sell it cheaper and still keep high margins. I want them to release something that kicks Google's a** and makes the Nexus 7 and Fire HD look like cheap toys.
 
All of these manufacturers/publishers need to work this out. You see how sluggish the digital video market is because everything is layered with DRM and requires a certain app and platform to run.

That is hardly the only issue. Truth is that pricing, timing etc are probably the bigger ones. For videos and books.

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wow, so they're literally throwing iPads at Kindles in their presentations now? things have gone downhill.

At least they haven't gotten to

http://youtu.be/b4bBPI5AtAo
 
HD should be standard by now, no need to charge extra.

Yep. And all back seasons etc. World wide at once and within 7 days after first OTA

make it 99cent an ep and they'd make more in the long run
That's fair for shorter stuff. 'One hour' is still fair at 1.99 for all three quality choices I think. 2.99 only for over the hour stuff like the BBC Sherlock.

Put the same features as the disks. Season pricing with complete my season for all. And stop blocking iTunes Extras on devices.

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Steve Jobs later gave into the idea after Cue sent him those emails.

Proof of that is what? Cue's email. He said Jobs was receptive to the idea of a 7 inch tablet. He didn't say that Jobs was convinced

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where are the fools who doubted Digitimes' inside sources since last year

We haven't actually had this alleged product released and you are calling them fools.
how about you hold off until we see a real product
 
The other day was using a tablet with aprox the same size as the ipad mini rumor :) was very nice to use and the screen was really perfect.

If the price is right il take one !
 
Use your local library!!!

I want to hear that we can "loan" out books like can be done with Amazon and Kindle. The bookstore needs more books as well. Too many times I cannot find the one I am looking for and go to Amazon instead. Not a big deal for me, but it is for Apple.

The combination of the iPad Kindle app and your local library is pretty amazing. In mean old NYC there are thousands of choices at the Public Library, all free and all can be taken out and returned anywhere in the world. Yes, best sellers have a wait list but the service inspires reading.
 
If they want to make a book reader, then it has to have an e-ink display.

I seem to remember seeing a color 20/fps e-ink display a few years ago made by a company looking for a partner to mass produce it, I always hope that Apple was the one and have been secretly working away making a iBook reader with it.

The video I saw of the display was amazing, they showed it playing back video and it was pretty good.
 
Prices for different use cases

What are everyone's thoughts on a price point? The new iPod Touch retails for $300, and you can get an iPad 2 for $400, so would it have to be $350? Does that make sense or am I missing something?

Sales of iPod Touches will not be affected by an iPad at a lower price. Sales of smaller iPad will not be affected by the availability of cheaper tablets.

If Apple can make the iPad Mini cost less than the iPod Touch whilst still making the same margins, they will. The real question is, can they? It all depends on how low the manufacturing cost will be, I would expect Apple to make the same margin on the smaller iPad as they do on the iPad (3). Given that they can use their massive scale to drive costs down, I'm guessing a cost of $150 and a selling price of $299 for the low end 16GB model. Anyone have better data than just a guess?

Nevermind
 
There was an apple patent for a hybrid display released 18 months ago. If the iPad mini has the ability to switch between normal and eink modes either automatically or by a switch, it's the only way I would consider ditching my current iPad. They would sell a lot of these.
 
Having said that, I do hope Apple doesn't cripple this device so they can sell it cheaper and still keep high margins. I want them to release something that kicks Google's a** and makes the Nexus 7 and Fire HD look like cheap toys.

Apple won't make a crap product just to hit a low price point. A smaller iPad will still be an iPad, running the same apps albeit at a smaller size, and have the design and build Apple are famous for. However, I don't expect it to have the latest A6 processor or have a retina display. In my opinion, that doesn't make it a crap product, of course I expect the tech press to have a different opinion, but it won't stop sales of this device being massive!
 
Agreed. I'm really only getting up my hopes for Wi-Fi only and 32GB, but would love 4G LTE and 64GB. I've been waiting for a smaller iPad, so I guess I will have to settle for whatever Apple puts in it. But lack of 4G would be a big omission.

I would think a more portable, smaller iPad would be more likely to have wireless broadband than the iPad (3). What flavour though? Maybe 3G is good enough for a product focused on reading.

Nevermind.
 
I continue to be amazed at the people who keep posting about they see no need for a smaller iPad. It is called choice people. If you don't want it, don't buy it. How does Apple offering it, hurt you? I have an iPad 1 now but just as soon as the mini is released, I will be ordering it. The majority of my use is reading eBooks, browsing the web and email. The current iPad is just too large for comfortable eBook reading. It is too bulky and large. What is so hard about that to understand? An iPad mini will be the perfect reader because you can read iBook, Kindle and Nook eBooks. The best alternative to do that besides the iPad is the Nexus 7, so what is wrong with Apple producing a device to compete with the Nexus? I just can't understand the people who keep saying there is no need for such a device. I know I have such a need and I'm sure many others do also.
 
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The Next Web is reporting that the rumored iPad Mini event scheduled for October 23rd will have a heavy focus on iBooks. The iPad Mini will be aimed at smaller tablets like the Kindle Fire, that are generally used to consume content including books and movies.
Apple executive Eddy Cue said in an email released during the Apple v. Samsung trial that he "found email, books, Facebook and video very compelling" on a 7-inch Samsung Galaxy tablet. It seems likely that Apple will focus on similar uses for the iPad Mini.


Article Link: iPad Mini Event Said to Focus on iBooks

Why is apple trying to "follow" the market now...
 
Steve said that a 7 inch tablet is not big enough to properly expres tablet apps, and he was 100% correct.

But if the iBook is intended for reading books, that will be a stroke of innovative genius by Apple.

So they will announce a 7" iPad mini that ONLY runs the iBook store and magazine shelf apps...

Wouldnt surprise me the way apples going lately
 
What difference there is between an iBook and the same Kindle book?

I recently attended a writing conference where the differences between various ebook formats were discussed, at least in very general terms. The analogy used was the old VHS vs. Betamax one.

The proprietary format that Kindles have used has the lowest feature set out there. My understanding is that new versions have been released to address some of these shortcomings, but the newer formats used by Amazon's competitors are superior. Kindles weren't originally meant to be "media-rich" e-readers. Children's books, for example, were a problem because text flow and placement was troublesome and fonts limited (to retain all formatting and text one would have to release a book as a .pdf, and then all font sizing/customization gets thrown out the window).

Development has been a bit slow on the Amazon side because there has been very little incentive to make major improvements to its proprietary format. It is estimated that Amazon currently controls upwards of 70% of the entire e-publication world. If the golden goose is still crapping out golden eggs by the truckload, why change things?

With regard to price, Amazon has decided that there IS a discount to be had when the price of physical book production (paper, ink, assembly, warehousing, transportation, etc.). They've more or less heavily incentivized what they consider the "sweet spot" purchase price: $2-$10. As a writer, if you price your ebook in that range, you earn 70% of the retail price with every copy sold, and Amazon keeps 30%. Any ebook with a retail price cheaper than $2 or more expensive than $10 the commission reverses to 30% for you, 70% for Amazon.

Conventional booksellers hate this, because they'd like to keep the price the same for both versions so that ebook sales don't cannibalize hard copy sales. Still, there are plenty of ebooks for sale online @ Amazon at the same purchase price as the hard copy even though the publisher makes far less per unit by doing (so to avoid this cannibalization), but that is the seller's prerogative--the seller sets the price of the book, not Amazon. Beros only incentivizes pricing in the $2-$10 range by making the seller's royalty cut substantially larger.

Independent writers benefit greatly from Amazon's current business model, provided their writing doesn't suck. Putting out a bad book with an ugly cover design on Amazon doesn't just doom that book--it can permanently destroy the writing career of the author. That title never goes away, nor its one-star reviews, and all of this is public information. A prospective publisher might like your book idea, but you're a leper to them if you bombed on Amazon.

So, to answer the original question, formatting is different, and so is the pricing model. Amazon has little motivation to change either, as they are burning down the publishing business as it is.

YMMV--If any of this is inaccurate, misleading, poorly characterized or has fundamentally changed recently, I'm sure I'll stand corrected.
 
There was an apple patent for a hybrid display released 18 months ago. If the iPad mini has the ability to switch between normal and eink modes either automatically or by a switch

Wouldn't you think, if this was the case, there would be a far far bigger event then the rumored rather small event in the headquarters?

I still hope, it's not going to be an eInk (only); that it will be aiming for Nexus and Fire instead of Kindle...with or without a major focus on iBooks. Reading is not only about traditional books anymore, but about magazines, books with colored pics, animations, interactive...at least if they really aim for the education sector.

Although that hybrid technology thing sounds pretty cool, I doubt that it is ready for a similar performance as the standard LCD screen. And there is no way it's gonna by priced at a lower price than iPad3.
 
So, to answer the original question, formatting is different, and so is the pricing model. Amazon has little motivation to change either, as they are burning down the publishing business as it is.

Until now I haven't seen any difference between epub, mobi or fb2 if the novel is the same so the claim "You paid what you get" is still nonsense.
 
Don't expect "earth shattering" revelations here.

Oh, I'm not, but just like the Nats-Cards game on Friday, I'm not going to assume anything until it comes from Tim Cook & Co.

Check a weather forecast sometime. If people here aren't outside in summer it's because of a heat alert.

And why would you assume I haven't traveled? It's Americans who are known for not even having passports.

Oh brother. Someone it tightly wound. My comment was tongue in cheek -- or maybe sarcasm doesn't exist on your side of the street. You made a stupid comment and I responded accordingly.

Here: people everywhere like to read outside. Take notice next time you go to an outdoor pool, a beach, the lake, the mountain cabin, or the park -- not a dog park though, dogs don't like to read. (OK, don't mean to offend you again, maybe Canadian dogs do read. My advance apology. American dogs prefer to chase balls and frisbees or sit under a tree doing nothing).
 
The idea that these smaller tablets are great for education is nice in theory.
In reality, I see the tablet as a major temptation to do something other than read a textbook.
I'm older and love to read for enjoyment and yet I often find myself getting distracted by checking email or surfing for nonsense.

If they want to sell a true ibook dominated device it would have one icon (ibook) and no 3G, no wifi. You would have to hard sync to download ibooks.

no games. no social media. no BS.
 
The idea that these smaller tablets are great for education is nice in theory.
In reality, I see the tablet as a major temptation to do something other than read a textbook.
I'm older and love to read for enjoyment and yet I often find myself getting distracted by checking email or surfing for nonsense.

If they want to sell a true ibook dominated device it would have one icon (ibook) and no 3G, no wifi. You would have to hard sync to download ibooks.

no games. no social media. no BS.

That's why Apple included the Guided Access feature in iOS 6. This makes it so you cannot exit the current app without a password.
 
The idea that these smaller tablets are great for education is nice in theory.
In reality, I see the tablet as a major temptation to do something other than read a textbook.
I'm older and love to read for enjoyment and yet I often find myself getting distracted by checking email or surfing for nonsense.

If they want to sell a true ibook dominated device it would have one icon (ibook) and no 3G, no wifi. You would have to hard sync to download ibooks.

no games. no social media. no BS.

Surly you just need some self control and an attention span, or maybe just a really good book.
 
Good luck with that at. Kindle's can be read outdoors in the brightest sunlight. iPad screens can barely be seen even on a cloudy day. Amazon's Kindle and their book selection owns iBooks.

I really think that apple has lost the battle for control of the iBook. The Kindle is different enough from apple products such as the iPad, is certainly effective, and has many loyal and satisfied customers. That doesn't mean apple will stop trying, though.
 
$249, I hope.

That's what my Galaxy Tab2 7.0 cost.

Has a built in IR blaster so it works out of the box with the Peel app which controls my TV and set top box with graphical previews of what is on TV. Turns the tab into a harmony remote and works very well.

Off line maps with Google works great. I used it to guide me right to the drive way of my destination -voice navigation- without a hitch.

I use the tab seven days a week.
 
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