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I wonder what Steve Jobs would make of all this utterly obsessively anal preocupation with Apple's products' marketplace performance, which having changed the world against all predictions and expectations, has now become the object of neurotic attention to the minutae of normal business fluctuations to a point where it borders on self parody.
 
The problem with the ipad mini, besides the non retina resolution, is that the market has caught up and there are very interesting competing products for someone to choose from. It's also way overpriced imho too, when most other products are priced much lower and/or include expandable storage via and sd card and/or feature a pressure sensitive stylus.

Also currently android has either surpassed or at least equaled ios. And the edge of ios in terms of the app ecosystem is more of a myth than reality, because actual usage scenarios show that the extra apps available for purchase on the app store are very seldom used.

It's a neck by neck battle right now in the tablet world and apple had better come up with something that adds value. A small overpriced tablet with poor screen resolution, without a pressure sensitive pen, a worse than average cpu and with seriously compromised storage isn't really a value proposition. But their momentum is good and hence the ipad mini is selling so far.

Misleading how?

Misleading investors with their mundane accuracy he means, as opposed to not misleading them with glorifying reports that might help push the stock up from the death dive it's taken the past few months.
 
I wonder what Steve Jobs would make of all this utterly obsessively anal preocupation with Apple's products' marketplace performance, which having changed the world against all predictions and expectations, has now become the object of neurotic attention to the minutae of normal business fluctuations to a point where it borders on self parody.

changed the world as in what? Ending famine in africa? Bringing world peace? Bringing an end to crime? Ensuring employment, good health and prosperity to the majority of the inhabitants of this earth? Maybe apple has done all that and I missed it, but I was under the impression that they just managed to sell quite a lot of electronic stuff which a minority of people put to good use and the vast majority of people either just use them to kill time or to become autistic with a little piece of silicon, aluminum and plastic.

sssshhhh...and I can't even ask siri to get me a beer because her AI isn't there yet. :cool:
 
Key word here is contractor.. They don't generally get stable workloads.. Suppliers change.. especially 3rd party ones.. Not just for production reasons, but possible leaks, etc..

Yep we don't know how many other contractors there are.

Not to mention that yeah that is going to be decline.all products decline after the launch or holidays and the Mini had both at the same time
 
changed the world as in what? Ending famine in africa? Bringing world peace? Bringing an end to crime? Ensuring employment, good health and prosperity to the majority of the inhabitants of this earth?

Einstein also changed the world, as did Picasso, and like Jobs they did none of the things you apparently imply are necessary in order for one to qualify as having 'changed the world'. Go figger.
 
Families may start buying multi iPads

By now almost every family has a tablet, most people are upgrading instead of buying for the first time, demand is going to be less, i guess.

Your scenario is certainly a possibility.

Another possibility -- using my own family as an example -- is that families may evolve from SHARING a single (full-sized) iPad to each family member having his/her own Mini. That scenario would lead to growth not... shrinkage.
 
I'm getting kind of bored by these manufacturers and suppliers repeatedly telling us the sky is falling.

But yes, I'm also waiting for a retina mini. I dont even care if it pixel doubles, as long as it has the same (perhaps better) DPI as it's big brother, it'll be great.
 
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Analysts and rumour sites misleading their readers into thinking their words are fact. When those words are just opinions of the author.

Making conclusions from a single data point is usually misleading. It is human nature to draw conclusions by assumptions though.

Misleading investors with their mundane accuracy he means, as opposed to not misleading them with glorifying reports that might help push the stock up from the death dive it's taken the past few months.

Articles like this are not a problem if you read carefully and without prejudice. If you read casually, only looking to confirm what you already believe, then just about everything will seem to be misleading.

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I'm getting kind of bored by these manufacturers and suppliers repeatedly telling us the sky is falling.

The manufacturer is reporting what is happening in their world. How it pertains to anything else is a matter of judgement or guesswork.
 
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I wonder what Steve Jobs would make of all this utterly obsessively anal preocupation with Apple's products' marketplace performance, which having changed the world against all predictions and expectations, has now become the object of neurotic attention to the minutae of normal business fluctuations to a point where it borders on self parody.

It's the media.

Every Apple product that gets announced goes through about 6 months of decent to great sales and then it starts to taper off during the second 6 months before they make a product refresh. We are also going into the summer months, which are typically slow for the high tech business. The mini was announced just before Christmas, it's more of a Christmas product and it's 6 months old now. Rumors of a new replacement Retina model are surfacing which creates pent up demand. This is not that big of a deal, unless you want it to be.
 
I can't read Pegatron without seeing a transformer jumping up in the air and folding into a giant pistol in my head.
 
It's because people want retina iPad mini.


Is it?

You would be surprised how many people have no idea what retina display is or what it means. Or even see the difference when having both types of displays side by side. And for many who do know is not such a big deal!

I believe this happens with every product and can't see what the news is here.
 
The problem with the ipad mini, besides the non retina resolution, is that the market has caught up and there are very interesting competing products for someone to choose from. It's also way overpriced imho too, when most other products are priced much lower and/or include expandable storage via and sd card and/or feature a pressure sensitive stylus.

Really?

I always thought Apple was said to be the one catching up to the Nexus 7 and Kindle Fire tablets?

They have been available at least 5 months to a year earlier than the iPad Mini and are way cheaper BUT Apple still outsold the Nexus 7 with the iPad Mini and Kindle Fire interest also seems to have dwindled down.

The only real competitor that has been released AFTER the iPad Mini is the Galaxy Note 8 - which has scored worse in reviews and costs a bit more.
 
Really?

I always thought Apple was said to be the one catching up to the Nexus 7 and Kindle Fire tablets?

They have been available at least 5 months to a year earlier than the iPad Mini and are way cheaper BUT Apple still outsold the Nexus 7 with the iPad Mini and Kindle Fire interest also seems to have dwindled down.

The only real competitor that has been released AFTER the iPad Mini is the Galaxy Note 8 - which has scored worse in reviews and costs a bit more.

its stupid to compare ipad to just nexus. they are using different ecosystems and android market is huge so there are dozens of android tabs to choose.

you can compare ipad to for example bb playbook.

i dont get the retina hype also, there are plenty of screens now that are far superior to retinas
 
It's just saturation. The people that use their iPads for simple apps and basic surfing are probably fine with their 1, 2s and 3s. There's also a global recession , the days of the debt-bubble consumer frenzy long gone.

The power users that, say, are into the fabulous audio apps that may upgrade for more power are probably a minority.

While Android is now eating in to iPad sales, Android tablets are just such junky products. It's amazing apps that make an iPad a credible 'laptop' replacement for some users.
 
That's because it's overpriced and has an incredibly dated OS. Smart consumers are buying Kindle Fires.
 
It's amazing apps that make an iPad a credible 'laptop' replacement for some users.

Can u tell me some that i don't have on Android ? or i dont have same or better equivalent?

Let's face it, IOS stuck at some point with boring UI, lack of customization options and so on. Android is evolving every day with new extensions (no matter if good/bad/slow/fast but they are there!) and opening the android source to the public makes small/big/medium publishers/geniuses to create outstanding innovative applications/extensions.

Android openes also to new hardware, and manufacturers are using this opportunity. SGS4 got plenty of sensors, plenty of additional software/hardware that is using them. Its called innovation, and idea. At this point, apple doesnt have "an idea" and "innovations"

If they have, can someone point it? you are all arguing about other vendors but can really someone tell what innovations apple has? - i don't see any.


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Partially this and also market has been saturated by too many iOS devices.

I mean, look around ... Not hard to find iPhone and iPad off their sleeves nowadays. Wow factor definitely diminishing fast.

Even if I have tons of money, I wouldn't buy an iPad that looks exactly the same for the last 2 years..

What exactly should it look like? :confused:
 
What exactly should it look like? :confused:

Like the pyramid!

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Tablets are the product that no one needed until they were given a reason to want one. Same with iPhone and modern phones. Now we all have them and the tech is at a plateau of course global demand for all tech is going to be lessened.

Apple and everyone is looking at new things all the time, it might just be one aspect that prevents a breakthrough product the iPhone and ipad were that category and it doesn't happen every bloody day you are just going to have to wait. In the mean time iPads will still outsell market trends. And no saying that the tablet market increased 130% while apple didn't isn't a good indicator, apple can't continue to dominant when their early tech advantage is gone with tech slow down.

The next breaking product will probably be battery tech related. Instant charging super capacitors are coming, your car your phone your tablet your computer will charge instantly, youll defnatley want that new one then.
 
Perhaps because the tablet market has saturated that the demand for a newer tablet is not as significant to the people whom - and the market that is - already own one?
 
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