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Please list those "issues" instead of aping the standard iOS user's mantra again. Then compare that list with the thread names in this forum. I'll start:


... and on and on and on.

My Point? I have no "issues" with my android Tegra 2 tablets, but there seems to be quite a few problems listed here for ipads.

Are you really surprised that individuals who have "issues" with a particular device would posit questions concerning said "issues" on a forum dedicated to that particular device?

Your point is as valid as someone claiming that they have no "issues" with their iPad.
 
Do you also plan on purchasing a databased map application such as the TomTom app? If not, then your GPS chip will be rendered near useless when on the road anyway. Unless you're near a wifi network which, even on Long Island where Cablevision claims to have the island covered in wifi signal, isn't common when you're traveling.

Will the GPS not work through the 3G connection?
 
the point is there is no GPS with the wifi model.

Yeah, when you really think about it... there is no reason for them to leave out the gps feature on the wi-fi model except to make you pay more for the 3g model. My parents just bought a garmin for around $100 and it's portable w/no fees or anything obviously. All iPads should be able to do the same.
 
Backlight bleed way worse than iPad
Dock battery drain
Keyboard lag makes text entry awful
Web browser lag (alternate browsers can help but lose out in many other ways.
Wifi underpowered or bad pm
Lack of apps makes web browsing more necessary (see number 4)
Flash laggy and bad video quality
Noticeably worse YouTube quality
You missed my point. I don't mind useful criticism. It's the "way worse", "awful", "underpowered", "many other ways", "lack of", "laggy and bad", and "noticeably worse" style comments that are pointless. I can put my iPad right beside my android tablets, and do the same things on each (for the most part). Some things on the iPad are graphically smoother, but only by a small degree and not a benefit or detriment to the functionality. Some things on my Transformer are quicker but only by a split second. I don't experience any sort of a delay between when I tap a keyboard key on my Asus and the letter appears on the screen that I don't also see occasionally on my iPad2. It varies depending on what else the device is doing at the same time.

Ultimately there are bugs and conditions on both platforms that will cause aggravation or impatience with users on occasion. There are iPad lemons as well as Android tablet lemons. In android forums I read threads by iPad owners who were happy to switch to android. In iPad forums I read threads by android owners who were delighted they switched to an iPad. I read about iPad owners on their 4th iPad after finding flaws with the first three. I read the same kind of stories on android forums. I know people who have no clue about how to find settings or close an app on an iPad, and other people who can't wrap their mind around Honeycomb's ability to uninstall an app right from the tablet.

The usefulness will be the same, in general, for iTablet owners and Android tablet owners. I'm delighted that iPad sales are strong (I own apple stock) and growing. I'm also delighted that android tablet sales are a growing percentage of the total tablet market. The more that are out there, the better a chance for speedy evolution from all players thanks to competition. The iPad2 is getting better faster thanks to Android.
 
Ultimately there are bugs and conditions on both platforms that will cause aggravation or impatience with users on occasion.

For all its shortcomings, it's really a stretch to equate the "bugs and conditions," of iOS to that of Android. iOS is simply a more stable platform overall, especially when you have a lot of apps.

In iPad forums I read threads by android owners who were delighted they switched to an iPad.

When you see it from the opposite side, it paints a different picture: In Android and other forums, I usually don't see people who claim they are happy to have iOS produces over Android.

Here at Macrumors we frequently see people who claim how much better Android/PlayBook/WebOS are and how they are happy with their new non-iOS device, usually followed by something about "not controlled by Jobs" and "Flash." Not to mention monthly thread of "This new product will kill Apple product" and "force Apple" to lower price/ease control/quit market/be relegated to small niche player/adopt Flash etc"

The usefulness will be the same, in general, for iTablet owners and Android tablet owners.

I highly disagree. If you could get a PC with either:

#1 has Word and Excel installed but you cannot rearrange your desktop or install widgets.

#2 doesn't have Office (Google Docs then?) but you can install widgets and arrange icons on your desktop.

which one of the computers will be more useful?
 
One is cheaply made with terrible customer service and support, no apps, malware, terrible interface, slow and buggy, and the other is the iPad.

Yes it is significantly lagger to the point where it does impact the user expereince.

There is a reason Android phone owners overwhelmingly buy iPads instead of Android tablets.
 
One is cheaply made with terrible customer service and support, no apps, malware, terrible interface, slow and buggy, and the other is the iPad.

Yes it is significantly lagger to the point where it does impact the user expereince.

There is a reason Android phone owners overwhelmingly buy iPads instead of Android tablets.

Have you used the asus transformer or any decent android tablet? Your opinion seems a little bias.
 
Ok so I went ahead and bought the Asus over the weekend. It must have been good timing as Asus released a firmware update the day I bought it. its running honeycomb 3.2.

In a nutshell, its a nice speedy tablet. Asus and honeycomb take the prize in the web browser performance. Better then the iOS IMO. Close to desktop as I've seen on any device. Honeycomb is also great in the customization dept. Destop widgets are something iOS missed the boat on. GPS works excellent tethered to my phone in my car. Turn by turn navigation on a 10.1" screen is awesome!

On the other hand, iPad takes it in the app dept. Although all the google specific apps are top notch, honeycomb doesnt come close yet to the number and quality of apps available for the ipad.

Overall I'm happy so far. I'm waiting for the android market to catch up to the Apple app store. But I most likely will get the ipad as well.
 
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Ok so I went ahead and bought the Asus over the weekend. It must have been good timing as Asus released a firmware update the day I bought it. its running honeycomb 3.2.

In a nutshell, its a nice speedy tablet. Asus and honeycomb take the prize in the web browser performance. Better then the iOS IMO. Close to desktop as I've seen on any device. Honeycomb is also great in the customization dept. Destop widgets are some something that the iOS missed the boat on. GPS works excellent tethered to my phone in my car. Turn by turn navigation on a 10.1" screen is awesome!

On the other hand, iPad takes it in the app dept. Although all the google specific apps are top notch, honeycomb doesnt come close yet to the number and quality of apps available for the ipad.

Overall I'm happy so far. I'm waiting for the android market to catch up to the Apple app store. But I most likely will get the ipad just for further comparison.

which capacity did you get? Did you get the keyboard dock as well?
 
I got the 16 Gig. I have and extra 16 gig micro SD card so space shouldn't be an issue. don't have the keyboard doc. not sure I'll get it but looks good. Probably ditch the dock though to get an ipad
 
I got the 16 Gig. I have and extra 16 gig micro SD card so space shouldn't be an issue. don't have the keyboard doc. not sure I'll get it but looks good. Probably ditch the dock though to get an ipad

you just got the transformer why do you want the iPad? more apps and thinner/lighter?
 
not really. I bought a bunch of apps when I had the ipad 1 that id like to use again.
 
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Ok so I went ahead and bought the Asus over the weekend. It must have been good timing as Asus released a firmware update the day I bought it. its running honeycomb 3.2.

In a nutshell, its a nice speedy tablet. Asus and honeycomb take the prize in the web browser performance. Better then the iOS IMO. Close to desktop as I've seen on any device. Honeycomb is also great in the customization dept. Destop widgets are something iOS missed the boat on. GPS works excellent tethered to my phone in my car. Turn by turn navigation on a 10.1" screen is awesome!

On the other hand, iPad takes it in the app dept. Although all the google specific apps are top notch, honeycomb doesnt come close yet to the number and quality of apps available for the ipad.

Overall I'm happy so far. I'm waiting for the android market to catch up to the Apple app store. But I most likely will get the ipad as well.

I bought one yesterday and returned it already. I went in with an open mind, I really wanted to like Honeycomb. My god these things are rubbish. Anybody who thinks these things can compete with apple is delusional. The android market is a mess. it's nearly impossible to search for an app that's designed for a tablet. Yes there's a tablet section but they need a way for users to sort through it. The transitions from screen to screen are still jerkey and feel unpolished.
The browser works well except when you try and search in a web page, there's this one-two second lag between keystrokes.

Android Seems to be bits and pieces of some really good ideas. It's just poorly implemented. Unfortunately, the kiss of death for all the tablet makers is the android market.
Hopefully HP and Amazon will have learned from others mistakes.
 
For people complaining about the lag when typing, here's the solution.

Open the stock web-browser and type "about:debug" in the address-bar. When selecting settings within the browser, this should give you access to a menu called "Debug". Uncheck the "Enable OpenGL Rendering" and this should speed things up when typing in forms in general.

Works on the Asus TF and also the Sammy 10.1

I personally prefer the Galaxy 10.1, but kept the iPad 2 instead for various reasons. Still love my EVO!! :D
 
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I bought one yesterday and returned it already. I went in with an open mind, I really wanted to like Honeycomb. My god these things are rubbish. Anybody who thinks these things can compete with apple is delusional. The android market is a mess. it's nearly impossible to search for an app that's designed for a tablet. Yes there's a tablet section but they need a way for users to sort through it. The transitions from screen to screen are still jerkey and feel unpolished.
The browser works well except when you try and search in a web page, there's this one-two second lag between keystrokes.

Android Seems to be bits and pieces of some really good ideas. It's just poorly implemented. Unfortunately, the kiss of death for all the tablet makers is the android market.
Hopefully HP and Amazon will have learned from others mistakes.



I guess I had a different experience. You can download other keyboards. The one asus has well. Did you do the firmware update?

For people complaining about the lag when typing, here's the solution.

Open the stock web-browser and type "about:debug" in the address-bar. When selecting settings within the browser, this should give you access to a menu called "Debug". Uncheck the "Enable OpenGL Rendering" and this should speed things up when typing in forms in general.

Works on the Asus TF and also the Sammy 10.1

I personally prefer the Galaxy 10.1, but kept the iPad 2 instead for various reasons. Still love my EVO!! :D


thanks that improved the stock browser 100% you can also open the browser and go to settings to turn of openGl.
 
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I highly disagree. If you could get a PC with either:

#1 has Word and Excel installed but you cannot rearrange your desktop or install widgets.

#2 doesn't have Office (Google Docs then?) but you can install widgets and arrange icons on your desktop.

which one of the computers will be more useful?
The one that first gets ubiquitous wifi printing to any common wifi capable printer, from any app that should have it. My HTC Evo 3D has it right now. As for Office app editors, there are several in the app market, and a Google docs app if you aren't a MS fan.
 
iOS is JUST getting notifications?! As much as I like the iOS seems like theyre always a little behind, even in the hardware sometimes. Multitasking came after android implemented it. Theyre talking about releasing a voice assistant which android already has and works well. Im sure springboard widgets are next.
 
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iOS is JUST getting notifications?! As much as I like the iOS seems like theyre always a little behind, even in the hardware sometimes. Multitasking came after android implemented it. Theyre talking about releasing a voice assistant which android already has and works well. Im sure springboard widgets are next.

The features you mention all stem from the same source. iOS is NOT a true multi-tasking operating system, at least not as implemented by Apple. The "multi-tasking" you mention is a very limited feature that enables specifically "privileged" apps to run in the background while another app is running.

What looks like "multi-tasking" from a user's point of view is limited to a few "tasks": listening to music while browsing, some notifications, etc. For most users this is sufficient. Do you need to browse the internet in the background while updating a spreadsheet (or vice versa) on your iPad? Probably not.

Apple chose this approach (in contrast to Android's full-fledged multitasking that allows an unlimited number of applications to share CPU cycles) in order to preserve a predictable user experience (i.e. "smoothness" and absence of "lag") for a given level of CPU performance and available memory. In contrast, Android devices can be "overloaded" with demands for simultaneous service from multiple apps. When that happens, the device doesn't crash but it may appear to "lag" or run more slowly than usual. The solution? A faster CPU and/or more memory.

Apple places a very high priority on preserving predictable performance regardless of what a user is doing. Apps should open and run at a predictable pace. (Not necessarily as fast as possible, but to the extent possible always at the same pace.) This reinforces a user's confidence that their device is operating correctly. And it tends to dampen consumer demand for faster processors and more memory. That means satisfied customers who are more likely to recommend their devices to others and to purchase an Apple device the next time around.

In contrast, even when operating correctly, an Android device's performance may vary depending on the load on the OS. This is nothing more than the OS doing its job but it can be disconcerting to a user. It means that an Android user can add all sorts of apps that run "in the background" (greater flexibility) but only at the price of unpredictable performance. Widgets that constantly monitor (i.e. "run") in the background are a major source of such unpredictability. So are heavily customized user interfaces that consume memory and must be swapped in and out of active memory when they are accessed. Again, more customization and flexibility but less predictable performance.

A side effect of the Android approach is that users frequently try to "solve" their performance problems with "task killers." In almost all cases this is futile since most apps the user tries to "kill" are not really "running" but simply sitting in otherwise unused memory. (But that's another topic.)

All in all, the difference comes down to fundamentally different philosophies on the part of Apple versus Google. Apple sells hardware; Google doesn't. Thus, Apple wants to maximize their hardware investment and not be pressured to upgrade it frequently. Google doesn't care; dealing with such pressure is the responsibility of hardware manufacturers who use Android. And the constant "upping the ante" on the part of manufacturers just means that there are more Android devices.

Apple makes decisions about which apps consumers want to run simultaneously (e.g. music and browsing) and which apps should be "suspended" when another app demands CPU cycles. Their decisions meet the needs of most users and give the "illusion" of multi-tasking (at least from a user's perspective.) And while it limits individual users' flexibility in the use of their devices, it also assures that any two randomly selected users will have almost identical experiences in using the same device.

Pay your money and take your choice.
 
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The features you mention all stem from the same source. iOS is NOT a true multi-tasking operating system, at least not as implemented by Apple. The "multi-tasking" you mention is a very limited feature that enables specifically "privileged" apps to run in the background while another app is running.

What looks like "multi-tasking" from a user's point of view is limited to a few "tasks": listening to music while browsing, some notifications, etc. For most users this is sufficient. Do you need to browse the internet in the background while updating a spreadsheet (or vice versa) on your iPad? Probably not.

Apple chose this approach (in contrast to Android's full-fledged multitasking that allows an unlimited number of applications to share CPU cycles) in order to preserve a predictable user experience (i.e. "smoothness" and absence of "lag") for a given level of CPU performance and available memory. In contrast, Android devices can be "overloaded" with demands for simultaneous service from multiple apps. When that happens, the device doesn't crash but it may appear to "lag" or run more slowly than usual. The solution? A faster CPU and/or more memory.

Apple places a very high priority on preserving predictable performance regardless of what a user is doing. Apps should open and run at a predictable pace. (Not necessarily as fast as possible, but to the extent possible always at the same pace.) This reinforces a user's confidence that their device is operating correctly. And it tends to dampen consumer demand for faster processors and more memory. That means satisfied customers who are more likely to recommend their devices to others and to purchase an Apple device the next time around.

In contrast, even when operating correctly, an Android device's performance may vary depending on the load on the OS. This is nothing more than the OS doing its job but it can be disconcerting to a user. It means that an Android user can add all sorts of apps that run "in the background" (greater flexibility) but only at the price of unpredictable performance. Widgets that constantly monitor (i.e. "run") in the background are a major source of such unpredictability. So are heavily customized user interfaces that consume memory and must be swapped in and out of active memory when they are accessed. Again, more customization and flexibility but less predictable performance.

A side effect of the Android approach is that users frequently try to "solve" their performance problems with "task killers." In almost all cases this is futile since most apps the user tries to "kill" are not really "running" but simply sitting in otherwise unused memory. (But that's another topic.)

All in all, the difference comes down to fundamentally different philosophies on the part of Apple versus Google. Apple sells hardware; Google doesn't. Thus, Apple wants to maximize their hardware investment and not be pressured to upgrade it frequently. Google doesn't care; dealing with such pressure is the responsibility of hardware manufacturers who use Android. And the constant "upping the ante" on the part of manufacturers just means that there are more Android devices.

Apple makes decisions about which apps consumers want to run simultaneously (e.g. music and browsing) and which apps should be "suspended" when another app demands CPU cycles. Their decisions meet the needs of most users and give the "illusion" of multi-tasking (at least from a user's perspective.) And while it limits individual users' flexibility in the use of their devices, it also assures that any two randomly selected users will have almost identical experiences in using the same device.

Pay your money and take your choice.

ive experienced minimal lag. maybe it was the firmware update. While i agree you dont need to run a web browser, a spreadsheet, and a video player at the same time, as these tablets start replacing laptops and even desktops im sure it will be nessecary. I find it quite impressive that I can run 10+ apps at the same time and honeycomb even saves the state of each app. Check out the new Tegra 3 chips coming out soon. You have to agree that is impressive!
 
While i agree you dont need to run a web browser, a spreadsheet, and a video player at the same time,

Ironic part is, that I can actually do it on my iPad out of box but can't do it on my Android phone. On my iPad I can listen to a youtube video/airvideo in the background while I work on something and switch back&forth between the work app and the browser. My Android phone can't. And the iPad is extremely smooth while doing this too.
 
Ironic part is, that I can actually do it on my iPad out of box but can't do it on my Android phone. On my iPad I can listen to a youtube video/airvideo in the background while I work on something and switch back&forth between the work app and the browser. My Android phone can't. And the iPad is extremely smooth while doing this too.

Agree. I swear that Android users purposefully either misunderstand or obfuscate multitasking in order to try to make their platform appear to have at least 1 good feature.

Right now, on my iPad, I have Safari open viewing this thread, I am streaming XM satellite radio via an app, and I have both Pages and Numbers open working on documents. That's not to mention the game of Hanging with Friends I'm (forced to) playing with my wife and whatever else is running. My iPad is smooth as silk and no hiccups whatsoever.
 
Well, I don't think that apple is always behind it seems the other way. When apple makes something these copycats activate and try to make something similar.
 
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