iPad Owners get screwed

[Major.Robto]

The 3gs Iphones are remaing stock they are no longer being made.
There are plenty of replacement phones and parts though,

To be honest. I'm still on osx 10.6 and its fine.

I'm weary to get another apple device they are updated so fast!

 

[Mrg02d]

I'm have no issues with iOS 6 on my iPad 3. I don't use maps on it as its wifi only. Google earth still works and my gs3 is awesome at naving with google maps. SIRI is fun and useful for launching FaceTime, making quick notes, and settings alarms all from the lock screen. Safari is faster too, which I use a lot.

The things I use the most got upgraded, so I'm happy!

BTW- I've been known to troll iOS here, been suspended several times, and have nothing to complain about ios6 so far. That ought to speak loudly!

 

[flopticalcube]

I'm have no issues with iOS 6 on my iPad 3. I don't use maps on it as its wifi only. Google earth still works and my gs3 is awesome at naving with google maps. SIRI is fun and useful for launching FaceTime, making quick notes, and settings alarms all from the lock screen. Safari is faster too, which I use a lot.

The things I use the most got upgraded, so I'm happy!

BTW- I've been known to troll iOS here, been suspended several times, and have nothing to complain about ios6 so far. That ought to speak loudly!

Good for you. This thread is about the iPad 1.

 

[Mrg02d]

Good for you. This thread is about the iPad 1.

Nah brah, IPAD users. Read the TITLE.

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No, I mean correct mistakes Apple made like multi-tasking on a machine not really capable of such.

So you DO mean like android...

 

[flopticalcube]

Nah brah, IPAD users. Read the TITLE.

Nah brah, read the OP.

 

[irDigital0l]

Apple should have added...

-Facebook integration (they already have Twitter)
-New Sharing options
-Maps (limited features like the iPhone 4)
-Guided Access
-Shared Photo Streams
-iCloud Tabs
-New Stores

Would have been a great update

 

[midwestfisherma]

It's the RAM that kills it. The iPad 1 struggles even on just normal iOS.

With a jailbreak you can help it a lot, delete some of the useless launch daemons that eat up RAM at every moment of every day. Unfortuntely, this doesn't fix the fact that iOS 6 isn't an option.

What do you consider a "normal" iOS? Seems to me the current iOS IS the normal one.

 

[flopticalcube]

What do you consider a "normal" iOS? Seems to me the current iOS IS the normal one.

5.1.1. The last one the iPad 1 can take. TBH, even 3.2 was not "fantastic" on it.

 

[iSee]

"Screwed"

I have a first gen iPad and I don't feel screwed in the slightest.
It works just as well today as it did yesterday.
So what's the problem?

 

[paulrbeers]

I certainly don't feel screwed about not having IOS 6.0 on the iPad; however, there is one minor feature I really wanted:

Receiving iMessages on the iPad using my iPhone cell phone number

In iOS 5.0, you could only receive imessages on your ipad if people used your email address. Often I wouldn't get messages on my iPad because either my wife or others would message me at my iPhone number rather than email. I know, I know, solution would be to keep my iPhone with me at all times, but I tend to forget plus my iPad 1 has been regulated to mostly sitting in front of my TV as an AppleTV remote so it was nice to have the messages popping up in front of me since it was sitting there anyway.

Otherwise, facebook integration would have been somewhat nice. I do check facebook on my iPad 1 occasionally, but otherwise that's about all I feel like my iPad 1 is missing out on (wouldn't have gotten Siri anyway, GPS capabilities is pretty pointless on a wifi iPad, etc. etc.).]


EDIT: I think we can all thank the lack of RAM of the original iPad to be the culprit here. Especially since all iOS devices share the system RAM with the video RAM. Sure the 3GS has only 256MB of RAM as well, but it also only is pushing about 77000 pixels where as the iPad is pushing 10x that resolution which requires a lot more RAM to push... If it had 512MB, I bet it would have gotten 6.0 as well.

 

[Porco]

As I've posted before, I don't think users have much right to complain about new features only being available to later hardware. That is reasonable, and the nature of continuing advancements in technology.

However, this link is a good explanation of why I think Apple really needs to release security / maintenance updates for older devices for longer though:

http://support.apple.com/kb/HT5503

That's not a list of fancy new features requiring newer hardware that the older RAM-poor iPad can't handle is it? It's basic security stuff that, in my opinion, Apple has little excuse in not attending to. Certainly for longer than they appear to be doing at least.

Failing to reasonably support older devices dissuades users from buying products from the same company again. Apple should view security updates for devices like the iPad 1 as basic customer retention.

I am intrigued by the possibility of the iPad mini. But the speed at which Apple appear to be dropping all support for the original iPad makes me pause for thought as to whether I would buy one, unless the price is so much cheaper that I wouldn't care about it being abandoned by Apple in under 2 and a half years.

Poor security affects everyone using the internet. People getting hacked or phished etc ends up with more money going to the bad guys, who are incentivised and supported in doing more of the same, against everyone. No new features? Fine. But at least give us security updates Apple, for the good of the internet, if not your own customers.

 

[ManicMarc]

Ok so Apple made iOS6 work for the 3GS but not the 2 year old iPad? C'Mon thanks for screwing us over Apple, I love my iPad but can't get the latest iOS, this is just wrong

To me it's a sign that the original iPad was woefully underpowered and was probably rushed out. iOS5 struggles to run on this device which was never designed to run more than one thing at a time. My girlfriend has an iPad 1, and she constantly has to close apps manually otherwise Safri does not have enough memory for more than one tab at a time.

So yes I agree it's bad. On the one hand Apple should be sending a clear message to consumers and enterprises that this so called "Post-PC device" has a lifespan of more than 2 years. On the other hand, the iPad 1 might be an exception due to the fact it was mainly early adopters who bought it, most of whom have probably since upgraded to an iPad 3.

I also can see why it might be good for iPad 3 owners if apps weren't purposely limited so that they would work on the iPad 1. Imagine what xbox 360 games would look like if they have to support xbox 1. Still clever development practises can get around that in most cases.

The biggest problem is that eventually app developers will stop targeting iOS5. As a developer myself I know how inconvenient it is to have to support old operating systems (especially with the great new APIs we keep getting) and at some point you have to stop. The biggest worry is security updates. The next time there is a flaw found in Safari, will Apple patch iOS5 users?

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What exactly do you feel you're missing out on? There's certainly no particular feature of iOS6 that I'm so desperate for that I can't wait a while.

Running an unsupported operating system (I assume that's what it is now, please correct me if not) means you get no security updates, and some apps will stop working. That would be my biggest concern.

 

[Lara F]

To me it's a sign that the original iPad was woefully underpowered and was probably rushed out. iOS5 struggles to run on this device which was never designed to run more than one thing at a time. My girlfriend has an iPad 1, and she constantly has to close apps manually otherwise Safri does not have enough memory for more than one tab at a time.

So yes I agree it's bad. On the one hand Apple should be sending a clear message to consumers and enterprises that this so called "Post-PC device" has a lifespan of more than 2 years. On the other hand, the iPad 1 might be an exception due to the fact it was mainly early adopters who bought it, most of whom have probably since upgraded to an iPad 3.

Initially, yes. But I wouldn't say that was the case by the 2010 holidays. My own Dad gave Mom an iPad for Christmas, and in retrospect that was a real mistake. Three months and her user experience today would be majorly improved. Plus international rollout for the first iPad was much slower than today.

 

[phr0ze]

A product discontinued for 18 months and your complaining. Have you ever bought any other technology before?

People like to whine about how aweful apple is with supporting customers but I've honestly never seen any other tech company come close to Apple in support.

Heck. Look at the kindle fire. Doesn't run the latest android OS and probably never will officially. These are devices that are being sold today and they run Android 2.3, where the latest is 4.1.

Stop whining. 🙄

 

[ManicMarc]

Heck. Look at the kindle fire. Doesn't run the latest android OS and probably never will officially. These are devices that are being sold today and they run Android 2.3, where the latest is 4.1.
Stop whining. 🙄

Just because something else is worse, it doesn't mean you should expect better.

 

[mono1980]

I knew this would happen as soon as I saw the original iPad only had 256 MB of RAM. It has the same as the 3GS, but it also has a much larger screen, so it is has higher memory requirements. The original iPad can barely run iOS5. Apps crash all the time. It has hit its limit.

 

[Michael CM1]

Exactly how are you getting screwed? You bought the device likely with iOS 4. It sounds like you now have iOS 5. Apple makes no promises about upgradability, and it's not like your iPad is worthless now.

There aren't too many substantial changes for iPad. The latest one gets Siri, but aside from the new Maps and a lot of smaller changes that's it.

 

[Markdek]

Exactly how are you getting screwed? You bought the device likely with iOS 4. It sounds like you now have iOS 5. Apple makes no promises about upgradability, and it's not like your iPad is worthless now.

There aren't too many substantial changes for iPad. The latest one gets Siri, but aside from the new Maps and a lot of smaller changes that's it.

The problem, and the only "real" problem, is that many app updates require the latest ios number...........this is the real problem.....not much else.😱

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A product discontinued for 18 months and your complaining. Have you ever bought any other technology before?

People like to whine about how aweful apple is with supporting customers but I've honestly never seen any other tech company come close to Apple in support.

Heck. Look at the kindle fire. Doesn't run the latest android OS and probably never will officially. These are devices that are being sold today and they run Android 2.3, where the latest is 4.1.

Stop whining. 🙄

18 month life cycle for a $500+++ device, from "Apple", does suck, and it's not what we expect from them.

 

[poloponies]

18 month life cycle for a $500+++ device, from "Apple", does suck, and it's not what we expect from them.

"Life cycle" by definition means that the device is rendered unusable. You're taking some serious dramatic license here. It's more properly "update cycle" and even if you had it there's not a lot of functionality to iOS 6 on an older device. As i posted earlier, it's on my iPhone 4 and it has given me exactly zero benefit since I installed it. So you either get to whine that you're "screwed" by not being able to install or "screwed" by installing it with no real improved functionality. You own a great device with a lot of use left in it; try looking at it that way.

 

[Lancetx]

Good luck on getting any OS updates ever on any Android tablet (or phone either for that matter), much less one that is 2 1/2 years old. Apple clearly supports their devices better than any of the competition.

 

[Appl'd]

Try reading the fine print as well

This is absolutely true with Apple products. They are the only company in my experience to stick it to the user for not having read the fine print, via revocation of your right to use the operating system that was on your device at the time of purchase once you've accepted download of a newer version.

You can't just get by on reading the big print attached to the update, you really need to dive in to the details in the user agreement. Case in point:

So you need to factor the time or related attorney's fees to read the user agreement and the agreement for any subsequent updates in to the total cost of ownership of the device.

 

[irDigital0l]

EDIT: I think we can all thank the lack of RAM of the original iPad to be the culprit here. Especially since all iOS devices share the system RAM with the video RAM. Sure the 3GS has only 256MB of RAM as well, but it also only is pushing about 77000 pixels where as the iPad is pushing 10x that resolution which requires a lot more RAM to push... If it had 512MB, I bet it would have gotten 6.0 as well.

iPad does have an A4 processor...considerably better than the non-Apple one in the 3GS.

Yea I think its RAM.

Kinda sucks because I wanted stuff like iCloud Tabs, Facebook integration, Shared Photo Streams.

Gives me a good reason to upgrade to the iPad 4 when it comes out though.

 

[Appl'd]

Good luck on getting any OS updates ever on any Android tablet (or phone either for that matter), much less one that is 2 1/2 years old. Apple clearly supports their devices better than any of the competition.

This really isn't true either. My Droid Incredible debuted on Eclair, was subsequently pushed Froyo, then upgraded to Gingerbread. Many slightly newer devices further received Ice Cream Sandwich. And the release of code under the AOSP further substitutes for the need to provide factory updates by allowing developers to provide this service in lieu. Apple's desire to attenuate competitive pressure by maintaining privacy of its source code is the policy that generates the need for manufacturer-supplied OS upgrades. Making iOS open source would reduce the need for Apple to offer legacy updates themselves.

That said, I love products from both camps. The MacBook Pro is still the finest laptop ever made, my iPhone 5 is the smoothest stock experience on any mobile device I've ever used, my iPad 2 is the best tablet device I've come across in my limited experience in that area, yet I still get a ton of enjoyment out of keeping up with the custom ROM development community for Android devices, and my 2 1/2 year old Dinc on Albinoman's JellyBean ROM is honestly fantastic. To that end I do prefer Google Now to Siri and its patronizing UI. I guess I just love this stuff all around, but have been less enthused about some of the business-minded rather than consumer-minded corporate policy decisions from Apple recently. The upshot is that those policies may improve or maintain profitability and thus attract sufficient capital to continue developing products and services to improve our lives in the next period as well.

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Gives me a good reason to upgrade to the iPad 4 when it comes out though.

Desired outcome achieved.