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Again, your logic is severely flawed. Because an item does more than one thing, doesn't mean it is not any of those individual things. It does not need to exclusively be an e-reader to be called an e-reader. That's just incredibly stupid. I do read a lot, in the realm of 250-300 pages a week, for grad studies. On my MacBook Pro. All texts are eBooks. This would be more convenient on an iPad, and is nearly useless on the Kindle, due to diagrams and illustrations.



I did place light on it, and the background is just as dull and gray as it is in any other light.



I think you should face the fact that it is an e-reader, because it provides that functionality, along with so many other things. Apple doesn't call it an e-reader, because by doing so it would severely sell short all the other things it can do. Likewise they do not call the iPod touch an mp3 player.



What's really stupid is you thinking that it's not an e-reader because it does more than just that. What's even more stupid is the fact that you can't accept that not everyone loves reading on a Kindle/eInk, and many people have an excellent use for reading on an iPad.

Also, it is not a computer. It's more of a media appliance, designed to consume various forms of media, which includes movies, games, music, and.......BOOKS. Sure, it provides a lot of the functionality of a computer, however it does not replace one for heavier computing tasks.

EDIT

You might want to familiarize yourself with this page, in which Apple talks about buying books and reading them on this device.

http://www.apple.com/ipad/features/



So.......I guess it is an e-reader after all.

If it's not for you, fine. Be happy with your Kindle. But don't be so arrogant as to think it won't be a good book reader for anyone. Because for me, my parents, and many others, it will be.


I think your arguments suffer from the fact that you are clearly biased in favour of Apple.

You say its great to read in low light, when I said it sucks to read in strong light.

For some reason you are using Kindle as an example. I myself use the newest Sony Reader, which is amazing to read on in strong light.

I have three other screens in my house, one from high end brand Eizo, and a Samsung HDTV, and the MacBook 13", none of them are particularly good to read text on, compared to my e-reader.

Bear in mind that when Apple says "up to ten hours". They mean, with half of the computers functionality drastically reduced. Brightness turned down low, blutooth turned off etc etc. I guarantee you that the iPad will be more annoying than pleasurable if used as an e-reader.

The Sony reader I have now has lasted for a month without recharge. Which also can be considered a blow to Apples environmental-friendly image. If compared to actual e-readers, the iPad is by far the worst sinner of them all when it comes to wasting energy.

I myself study in the third year of university now. And I absolutely have no need for graphs or anything. As always, real actual print is preferable when it comes to this. Things like pictures and such. But if you´re willing to look past that, the text is what matters most.

You didnt prove my point either though. You said Apple claim you can read books, which I have never denied. But show me where Apple calls the iPad an e-reader?

I think it is your logic that is flawed, because you fail to recognize what actual e-readers are. What sort of technology they have standarized for this specific marked. Ipad doesnt feature any of this. You are just staying inside your own bubble, claiming that the Ipad is this and that, while the reality is otherwise.
 
do you have problems with advancement in technology?

why not just go back to telegraphs? oh wait, that requires laying down transatlantic and intra-country cables

why not just go back to smoke signals? oh wait, the requires the invention of fire
You are obviously missing they point here. You want me to spell it our for you?
 
Amazing how Apple can enter a market and change/dominate it seemingly overnight

I agree. The eBook market has been relatively stagnant since the introduction of the Kindle, and Apple appears poised to just waltz in and own the table.



Awesome, I like being blinded by a LED back-lit screen when reading late at night.

How do you read at night without a light of some kind? Night-vision goggles?

Either you're using a lamp, some kind of attached light, or a backlight. All have their distinct advantages and disadvantages.

I guess we just have different definitions for "fairly ubiquitous",
that's all.

I don't know anyone who's used a touch around me, so I don't
consider them to be ubiquitous.

Same when the fans say that "everyone has an Iphone" - most people
that I see have feature phones (or even dumbphones). The Iphone
is a popular smartphone, but lots of Palm, 'berries and Androids
are out there. WP7 is coming, so there may be a resurgent player
in the mix by the end of the year.
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However, slates will be driven by content as much as apps, IMO.
If you have a narrow, proprietary ecosystem of content, the
slates will be isolated niches.

If it's open, like the web, and any content will play on any
slate (hold tongue, no snarky comments about Flash) - an open
ecosystem will flourish and all slates will prosper. A rising
tide lifts all boats, as the saying goes.

This is a hard question to answer. Slate (or tablet, etc.) computing is certainly part of the future and thus far Microsoft has failed to deliver—or has failed to deliver in a unique or interesting enough way that their product has been completely missed.

In this vacuum comes Apple trading on the success of it's iPhone/iPod Touch platform which, while not ubiquitous, is a major player in the mobile market. The iPad will just be an extension of this market and I don't see RIM, Android, or another platform in this same position. For the consumer, all other devices are new starts, but with the iPhone/iPod/iPad platform you can move between devices without having to buy a new set of apps or learn a new OS. This is valuable for the consumer and I'd argue that Apple will take a major chunk of the Slate market almost immediately.

If Microsoft got their act together, this could change, but thus far the company seems completely unable to understand any market that isn't Windows running on commodity PCs. Even the Xbox section of the company, which is doing interesting things, can't help the company beat a slap-silly Sony or the relatively tiny Nintendo.

We'll see, but I expect Apple to take and hold this market for a long while with the Android platform being the only likely contender since Android is so flexible and is already running on B&N's Nook eBook.
 
I think your arguments suffer from the fact that you are clearly biased in favour of Apple.

point to my undying loyalty to all things Apple in this or other threads. I am a user of all three main platforms on a daily basis. I love how whenever anyone says something positive about an Apple product, it's clearly due to favoring Apple as a whole. Again, awesome logic. :rolleyes:

As I said in my first post in the thread, I was outlining why an iPad was a better value FOR ME as well as people I know. If it isn't for you, then super. Don't buy it.

You say its great to read in low light, when I said it sucks to read in strong light.

I said no such thing. When I referenced using a Kindle, I said no matter what kind of light was on it I was not satisfied with the display.

For some reason you are using Kindle as an example. I myself use the newest Sony Reader, which is amazing to read on in strong light.

I've used the Kindle DX, and have seen the Nook and the Sony e-readers. They all use eInk, and none of them have a display approaching anything useful for me, as they are all the same black on gray.

I have three other screens in my house, one from high end brand Eizo, and a Samsung HDTV, and the MacBook 13", none of them are particularly good to read text on, compared to my e-reader.

In your opinion.

Bear in mind that when Apple says "up to ten hours". They mean, with half of the computers functionality drastically reduced. Brightness turned down low, blutooth turned off etc etc. I guarantee you that the iPad will be more annoying than pleasurable if used as an e-reader.

I don't seem to remember bringing up battery life of the iPad vs. an e-ink equipped e-reader, nor do I care, considering it's something that will get plugged in nightly next to my Droid anyway. Irrelevant to me.

The Sony reader I have now has lasted for a month without recharge. Which also can be considered a blow to Apples environmental-friendly image. If compared to actual e-readers, the iPad is by far the worst sinner of them all when it comes to wasting energy.

it would be terrible, if an e-reader was all it could do. But since I won't have to fire up a computer to do the other tasks an iPad can do, I could potentially be saving power.

I myself study in the third year of university now. And I absolutely have no need for graphs or anything. As always, real actual print is preferable when it comes to this. Things like pictures and such. But if you´re willing to look past that, the text is what matters most.

thank you for sharing your academic needs, which are completely unlike mine and therefore irrelevant to me completely. You would do well in understanding that we all have different needs, mine of which are met with the iPad and not an eInk-based e-reader. My texts do have graphs and illustrations that are most definitely dependent upon color, and eInk most definitely does not fit this need.

You didnt prove my point either though. You said Apple claim you can read books, which I have never denied. But show me where Apple calls the iPad an e-reader?

I can see definitions are very, very important to you, and that they must be rigid in order for you to understand them. As I said before (in case you missed it the first time) Apple is careful not to limit labeling it a web tablet, a movie device, or a gaming platform. But seeing as how it has a bookstore system designed into it, allowing purchases and loading of eBook content, I can't see how it would not be acknowledged as being an e-reader.

Also, if you can point to the industry recognized rigid definition of what makes an e-reader and what excludes something from being an e-reader, I would love to see this definition.

I think it is your logic that is flawed, because you fail to recognize what actual e-readers are. What sort of technology they have standarized for this specific marked. Ipad doesnt feature any of this. You are just staying inside your own bubble, claiming that the Ipad is this and that, while the reality is otherwise.

I think you're upset because of the attention the iPad is getting as a potential threat to the other e-readers because to you it won't be ideal and doesn't fit YOUR definition of what an e-reader should be.

If the iPad is NOT an e-reader, why the article responsible for this thread? Why all the talk over the web, in magazines, and on podcasts as to whether or not it will be a good e-reader?

Why are people who were previously considering a Nook, Sony, or Kindle holding off until the iPad is released?

Possibly because they've seen eInk, they're not sure about it, and while they realize the iPad is an IPS LCD, they want to check it out.

You need to realize that not everyone shares your view of what an e-reader is, does not share what your needs are, and has their needs partially or completely met by what the iPad currently promises.

Would I pre-order an iPad without seeing it, like some of the zealots on this board? Absolutely not. I want to see the screen and how it'll compare to my MBP, my iPod touch, and what I have already seen with the eInk devices.
 
Why are people who were previously considering a Nook, Sony, or Kindle holding off until the iPad is released?

Well, I can see how people might wanna get this thing to read a book once in a while.

But if you´re passionate about books, or read them for a living, you need a proper tool specially designed for this function.

This is why e-readers still is a niche market. Those who buy them have special needs. And these people probably wont buy the iPad to read books.
 
I don't think it depends on the type of screen that much. It depends on content.

Very few people here in Germany have a Kindle. Why? Because there is no content. Amazon only offers some newspapers in German and only a very limited number of books. So for many people here a Kindle is quite useless. They even have to pay to read their own PDFs and the browser is limited to Wikipedia.

I don't know if Apple will do better, but at launch date there will be exactly zero eBooks available from Apple in Germany (not even in English!).

At the moment only the Sony reader (that seams to be in the last place in the US) offers a reasonable amount of Content in German.

I think many people in Germany will buy iPads to do other things than reading (browsing, gaming, video,...) . This may give Apple a good start even without book content. Lets wait and see what Apple will offer "later this year", but Apples typical "USA first, rest of the world later" policy could make them loose the race for the #1 reading device internationally.

Christian
 
I don't think it depends on the type of screen that much. It depends on content.

Very few people here in Germany have a Kindle. Why? Because there is no content. Amazon only offers some newspapers in German and only a very limited number of books. So for many people here a Kindle is quite useless. They even have to pay to read their own PDFs and the browser is limited to Wikipedia.

I don't know if Apple will do better, but at launch date there will be exactly zero eBooks available from Apple in Germany (not even in English!).

At the moment only the Sony reader (that seams to be in the last place in the US) offers a reasonable amount of Content in German.

I think many people in Germany will buy iPads to do other things than reading (browsing, gaming, video,...) . This may give Apple a good start even without book content. Lets wait and see what Apple will offer "later this year", but Apples typical "USA first, rest of the world later" policy could make them loose the race for the #1 reading device internationally.

Christian

Good point. Right now, Apple doesnt have alot of content to offer at all in their iBooks store.

To Americans it might seem like so, but not to the rest of the world. Theres a huge conflict between publishers and discussions going on here in Norway about pricing and releasing. Its not a well established concept at all.

Content matters most though. So if Apple were to have some exclusive deal for some hot books, that would get them further.

The Sony reader as you say, has so far made much better deals than the iPad has, in europe. So they have a huge challenge with that in the rest of the world.

I think many people will buy the iPad. Im not denying that at all. But not as an e-reader. Thats what im saying. People will buy it as a touch tablet. Thats what it is. A portable computer in a new format.
 
Well, I can see how people might wanna get this thing to read a book once in a while.

But if you´re passionate about books, or read them for a living, you need a proper tool specially designed for this function.

This is why e-readers still is a niche market. Those who buy them have special needs. And these people probably wont buy the iPad to read books.

When did we go from talking about a device that does many things, including being an e-reader, to talking about people who read books professionally?

I think I've made it pretty clear who the iPad is aimed at and why it's beneficial from an ebook standpoint.

If you really like eInk better, then super. Enjoy your device that is very expensive for its one task.

For me the iPad provides far, far more value while also suiting my eBook needs, since I already read hundreds of pages a week on a laptop. This will be more ideal.

On my trip yesterday for a T1 turn-up, I could have just brought an iPad and a BT keyboard. E-mail, notes, RDP, video, audio, magazines, web, project documentation. With an eBook reader, I would have needed that, plus an iPod, and a laptop. See my point? It's all about the value to a particular person; it either is a good value or it isn't.

I'm not saying "everyone who reads books needs an iPad. The Kindle/Nook/etc is dead".
 
Amazon is the biggest online store, so Apple cant be "far above" them in this field.

But I agree with Apple being a premium brand. But when it comes to peoples "e-book needs" Sony is far ahead of Apple with content right now. So if you´re really interested in books, you want to get the brand with the best deals.

Im speaking from my european perspective of course.
 
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