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Having had my 12.9" iPad Pro nearly a year now (Nov. 2015), I can honestly say I'd never want to go back to a lower resolution 9.7" model. Maybe if the rumored 10.5" or whatever had the same number of pixels as the 12.9", I'd consider it. But I love the near-9.7" size & pixel count split screen mode on mine. I don't think I could give it up.
 
I'm hoping Apple unveils Final Cut Pro, Logic Pro, MainStage, and Xcode for the iPad Pro at the next WWDC.

Also, a version of iOS that actually utilizes the power of the iPad Pro... that home screen and the horrible multi-tasking need some serious love.

I don't much care what they do from the hardware perspective. iOS and the lack of pro apps are the iPad Pro's biggest faults.

System-wide keyboard and Apple Pencil support are essentials as well.

Until these items are addressed, the iPad Pro is not a "pro" device. Its just an overgrown iPad.
 
While it would be cool if Apple updated the 12.9" iPP... I am thinking they may wait until the Spring, (which I would be okay with.) I mean, looking back at the benchmarks and reviews from 10 months ago... I didn't realize the current Pro has better graphics processing and higher GeekBench single core scores than many (2015) i5 13.3" MacBook Pros, (it doesn't quite win in the multi-core score,) but darn it is way more powerful than I and I think many give it credit for. So, I am okay with the current gen one, but that's not to say I wouldn't buy Gen 2... just as it is, this thing is a beast and I like it a lot. :) PLus one main issue is that I would need to get used to the non-physical home button, (I have issues with the old one,) but having an all software based one seems quite problematic as well.


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If the 12.9 catchs up to the 9.7 iPad with true tone and a better camera, then it's a no go or upgrade for me. It must have something special for me to upgrade to a generation 2.
 
Also, a version of iOS that actually utilizes the power of the iPad Pro... that home screen and the horrible multi-tasking need some serious love.

System-wide keyboard and Apple Pencil support are essentials as well.

I do think the iPad is missing some crucial software features and apps but I'm not sure I follow your list.

I know a lot of people want more icons on the home screen because the screen is bigger, but I never agreed with this. I believe there's a reason there are 4 columns of icons on all iOS devices. It's (obviously) not about filling up screen space. Studies have shown that groups of any more than 4 items start to confuse people. That's why in the US, telephone numbers are broken up into 3 numbers and 4 numbers (555-5555). On the iPad, if there were any more than 4 columns of icons it would start to become significantly more difficult to remember where individual icons are located. Can you imagine if the 12.9" screen was filled with icons as densely as the iPhone? There would be over 200 icons on one page. You would never find anything. So I think swiping a page or tapping a folder icon to get to your less frequently used apps isn't such a bad tradeoff. I certainly don't think it's a determining factor between a pro and non-pro device.

The rest of your list I don't quite understand.
What needs to change in the way it multitasks?
Doesn't iOS already have a system-wide keyboard?
Doesn't the iPP already support the Apple Pencil?
 
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I know a lot of people want more icons on the home screen because the screen is bigger, but I never agreed with this. I believe there's a reason there are 4 columns of icons on all iOS devices. It's (obviously) not about filling up screen space. Studies have shown that groups of any more than 4 items start to confuse people. That's why in the US, telephone numbers are broken up into 3 numbers and 4 numbers (555-5555).

I studied user interface design, both ran and participated in many UI usability studies, and even flew out of state just to attend a conference by Jakob Nielsen, a renowned usability expert.

Overwhelmingly I've heard of the "rule of 7, plus or minus 2", making for a minimum of 5. There is some mention of 4 there, but in my opinion none of this should ever have been applied to UI design in the first place--the logic behind applying a single 1950's study about rote memorization to user interface elements seems faulty to me.

But in any case, it doesn't matter. A simple option in the settings could have 4 columns as the default and more according to user preference.

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According to one rumour from Kuo, there won't be an upgrade until this March

yes so the 2 rumours combine in one event/upgrade for the ipads for March

I keep hearing this King-Chi Kuo March iPad date over and over again here in the forums, but where did you guys see this? I cannot find a source for it anywhere.
 
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I do think the iPad is missing some crucial software features and apps but I'm not sure I follow your list.

I know a lot of people want more icons on the home screen because the screen is bigger, but I never agreed with this. I believe there's a reason there are 4 columns of icons on all iOS devices. It's (obviously) not about filling up screen space. Studies have shown that groups of any more than 4 items start to confuse people. That's why in the US, telephone numbers are broken up into 3 numbers and 4 numbers (555-5555).
That's not actually the reason for the layout of the number pad on a phone, but it certainly sounds good. ;)

That would explain why so many people are "confused" by the onscreen keyboard. :p


On the iPad, if there were any more than 4 columns of icons it would start to become significantly more difficult to remember where individual icons are located. Can you imagine if the 12.9" screen was filled with icons as densely as the iPhone? There would be over 200 icons on one page. You would never find anything. So I think swiping a page or tapping a folder icon to get to your less frequently used apps isn't such a bad tradeoff. I certainly don't think it's a determining factor between a pro and non-pro device.
There is a wide range from the current "Fisher-Price My First Tablet" look of the current 12.9 iPP and the same icon density of an iPhone. Apple could easily add another column or two without causing it to be unwieldy.
 
I do think the iPad is missing some crucial software features and apps but I'm not sure I follow your list.

I know a lot of people want more icons on the home screen because the screen is bigger, but I never agreed with this. I believe there's a reason there are 4 columns of icons on all iOS devices. It's (obviously) not about filling up screen space. Studies have shown that groups of any more than 4 items start to confuse people. That's why in the US, telephone numbers are broken up into 3 numbers and 4 numbers (555-5555). On the iPad, if there were any more than 4 columns of icons it would start to become significantly more difficult to remember where individual icons are located. Can you imagine if the 12.9" screen was filled with icons as densely as the iPhone? There would be over 200 icons on one page. You would never find anything. So I think swiping a page or tapping a folder icon to get to your less frequently used apps isn't such a bad tradeoff. I certainly don't think it's a determining factor between a pro and non-pro device.

The rest of your list I don't quite understand.
What needs to change in the way it multitasks?
Doesn't iOS already have a system-wide keyboard?
Doesn't the iPP already support the Apple Pencil?

1. The home screen on an iPad Pro should support widgets inline and should be able to be placed wherever a user wants within the grid. Android's been doing it for years. This doesn't necessarily mean more rows of icons and such (probably means less in actual practice).

2. The multi-tasking panel that you slide out from the side of the screen to do split screen is a horrid mess. It doesn't even have a quick app search feature! Its unruly when you actually want to use it and takes much longer than it should to find the second app you want to open. Its not intuitive and feels like a band-aid. Not to mention, no drag and drop from app to app... Horrible.

3. iOS does not have system-wide keyboard support. Users should be able to use the tab key on the home screen to tab through the app icons. Users should be able to switch the views on the home screen with a keyboard combo (CMD+Right/Left Arrow perhaps). Apple's own apps should have full keyboard support. Users should be able to navigate every view in every app with only the keyboard. This is a pro feature and a huge accessibility gain for disabled users.

4. The Apple Pencil cannot open the Notifications Pane, the multi-tasking pane, or the control panel. 3D press gestures (that would allow iPad users to access an app's widget on the home screen, just like on iPhone 6s and beyond) should be implemented. Its not used to its fullest potential and feels crippled at this point.

5. Lack of file system access or terminal based tools cripples iOS for software development.

iOS is not a "pro" operating system no matter how iPads are marketed. And I'm sorry but surfing the web and checking email or typing out a word document isn't "pro".

Now, saying all of that, the iPad Pro is a great consumption device and I really like mine. The hardware is solid. iOS for professionals... not so much.
 
iOS is not a "pro" operating system no matter how iPads are marketed. And I'm sorry but surfing the web and checking email or typing out a word document isn't "pro".

Now, saying all of that, the iPad Pro is a great consumption device and I really like mine. The hardware is solid. iOS for professionals... not so much.

OMG! So tired of this narrow-minded, cubicle-bound thinking! Just because the iPad is not currently suited to your particular job, that relegates it to being a "consumption device"?

Have you ever considered that there are PROFESSIONALS who do DIFFERENT work than YOU?

So, according to this mindset, a pilot who consults his/her fight manual on the iPad is doing NO WORK.
The filmmaker who edits projects on the iPad is doing NO WORK.
The real estate agent who shows virtual home tours on the iPad is doing NO WORK*.
The physician who follows patient progress on an iPad is doing NO WORK.*
The musician who creates/arranges/records songs on the iPad is doing NO WORK.
Retailers who track inventory and/or transact sales on an iPad are doing NO WORK.*
Farmers who plan and manage their crops on an iPad are doing NO WORK.*
Manufacturers who manage production lines on an iPad are doing NO WORK.*
.....and on and on.

I challenge you to tell ANY of the above people TO THEIR FACE that what they do isn't "work", or that they aren't "professionals".

The iPad is only a "consumption device" if someone's imagination and awareness are severely limited.

There's a great big world existing beyond the office/cubicle! Get out and get some fresh air!

*Never heard of this? Check the iPad pages on Apple.com.
 
yes iOS is not a pro but Apple is not saying that...they say that the iPAD is pro...i mean for artists ipad pro is more a pro device than any windows device so its all about you do
 
Doesn't the iPP already support the Apple Pencil?
Not in the way it could. I want to be able to draw directly onto photos, pdfs, emails, word docs without having to find and download yet another app. Why can't I do that in all native apps?
 
If the 12.9 catchs up to the 9.7 iPad with true tone and a better camera, then it's a no go or upgrade for me. It must have something special for me to upgrade to a generation 2.
FYI I have the smaller and larger iPad pro's...true tone is not the difference maker I thought it would be on the smaller pro so I seldomly use it and although the camera is nice (prefer my note 7's camera since the pics are simply amazing)...it really didn't change how I normally use Ipads so it's really not a big deal........hardware wise none of the iPad pro's are truly missing anything except a slot for the pencil which is necessary imo (would love apple to improve its accessories, a more appropriate smart keyboard with trackpad and a smaller apple pencil) . We also need some software updates to enhance these devices (trackpad mouse support, better iPad oriented notifications and menus, and full Microsoft office app capability)
 
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OMG! So tired of this narrow-minded, cubicle-bound thinking! Just because the iPad is not currently suited to your particular job, that relegates it to being a "consumption device"?

Sorry, anyone doing video editing or audio editing on the ipad is not working professionally. The hardware, ui and available software doesn't support this. Can some video and audio work be done? Yes. But what professional would select second rate tools. And I am using "professional" expansively here--inclusive of high level hobbyists, youtubers, bloggers, etc.
 
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So, according to this mindset, a pilot who consults his/her fight manual on the iPad is doing NO WORK.
The filmmaker who edits projects on the iPad is doing NO WORK.
The real estate agent who shows virtual home tours on the iPad is doing NO WORK*.
The physician who follows patient progress on an iPad is doing NO WORK.*
The musician who creates/arranges/records songs on the iPad is doing NO WORK.
Retailers who track inventory and/or transact sales on an iPad are doing NO WORK.*
Farmers who plan and manage their crops on an iPad are doing NO WORK.*
Manufacturers who manage production lines on an iPad are doing NO WORK.*
.....and on and on.

All of that can be done on a normal, non-pro iPad. In fact your definition is so open that I could call a $5 USB thumb drive, bought from the bargain bin at the corner drug store, a "Pro" device because I use it for work.

People have the reasonable expectation that the iPad Pro would be far more suitable for work than the regular iPad. Several simple things come to mind for a computing device, such as mouse support, USB device support, file management, etc., and several more in post #34.

So what exactly makes the Pro so much better for work than the non-Pro? Not any of the the useful work features mentioned above. We got a pencil which is great for very narrow uses but won't work system wide. Bigger screen and twice the memory? Well the 9.7" Pro doesn't even have that, so what make it so much better for work? The fact that clamshell keyboards can be wired instead of wireless? Sure, one less thing to charge is nice, but its not exactly a game-changer for work.
 
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A simple option in the settings could have 4 columns as the default and more according to user preference.

Well sure that'd be ideal, but you know Apple...

That's not actually the reason for the layout of the number pad on a phone, but it certainly sounds good. ;)

That would explain why so many people are "confused" by the onscreen keyboard. :p

Just to clarify, I meant that 7 digit phone numbers are split up into two groups--three numbers and four numbers (so that they are more easily communicated and memorized); wasn't referring to the number pad layout. However I would have guessed the principle applied to that as well.

As far as (most) people not being confused by the onscreen keyboard, I think that's only true because starting from an early age people have invested huge amounts of time learning the keyboard layout, which is never-changing.

1. The home screen on an iPad Pro should support widgets inline and should be able to be placed wherever a user wants within the grid. Android's been doing it for years. This doesn't necessarily mean more rows of icons and such (probably means less in actual practice).

2. The multi-tasking panel that you slide out from the side of the screen to do split screen is a horrid mess. It doesn't even have a quick app search feature! Its unruly when you actually want to use it and takes much longer than it should to find the second app you want to open. Its not intuitive and feels like a band-aid. Not to mention, no drag and drop from app to app... Horrible.

3. iOS does not have system-wide keyboard support. Users should be able to use the tab key on the home screen to tab through the app icons. Users should be able to switch the views on the home screen with a keyboard combo (CMD+Right/Left Arrow perhaps). Apple's own apps should have full keyboard support. Users should be able to navigate every view in every app with only the keyboard. This is a pro feature and a huge accessibility gain for disabled users.

4. The Apple Pencil cannot open the Notifications Pane, the multi-tasking pane, or the control panel. 3D press gestures (that would allow iPad users to access an app's widget on the home screen, just like on iPhone 6s and beyond) should be implemented. Its not used to its fullest potential and feels crippled at this point.

5. Lack of file system access or terminal based tools cripples iOS for software development.

1. Undecided
2. Agreed
3. Ah you mean system-wide keyboard shortcuts. Agreed
4. Agreed. Someone also mentioned markup support in all native apps
5. Hey this is a new item. But actually this to me by far is the most fundamental feature the iPP needs in order to fully transition to an efficient work device. Certain simple tasks on the iPad are way more convoluted than they should be, because of the no centralized/visible file system. That said, I don't know if it will ever happen. Apple seems set on their current trajectory.
 
The name "Pro" has nothing to do with whether or not the device can be used professionally. That's a meaning people have projected onto the name, but it was never meant to promise that (and it never could because professional use is so subjective). If you look at Apple's use of the word "Pro" in their past and current product lines, it has always simply meant "a bigger and better tier"--not a new product category. The Mac Pro doesn't do a whole new category of tasks that the Mac Mini can't; it does the same tasks--it just does it better and handles more, because of better hardware--but it runs the exact same OS, exact same UI, exact same input methods, and for the most part the exact same applications. The iPad Pro follows this same rule/pattern. It has better hardware (higher tier specs, better expandability with USB 3.0 and smart connector, and optionally a bigger screen)--but exactly the same as the rest of the iPad line in every other way. Although with Apple Pencil support, it does break the pattern in a good way, by adding functionality. But perhaps the Pencil is to come to the rest of the iPads as well. (As a sidenote, the existence of a "Pro" tier makes me think Apple has to continue making non-Pro iPads. It wouldn't be consistent with their other product lines otherwise.)

Likewise, nobody argues that the MacBook Air can't be used professionally, because there's no "Pro" in the name. Point being, the names were never meant to tell you what they are supposed to or not supposed to be used for. They're meant to tell you how they stack up against the rest of the product line.

So since professional use is subjective, to some that means the iPad Pro finally crosses their threshold of adequate functionality for a work device. To some the original iPad already met their requirements. To others, the iPad Pro still doesn't and may never meet their requirements.

But to add to the confusion, Tim Cook has explicitly positioned the iPad Pro (at least the larger one) as a laptop replacement for "many" people. Again, to be clear he did not say it's a professional device replacement, because not all people use their laptops for work. It simply means what it says: many people use their laptops for things they could do on an iPad Pro, and for them, the iPad Pro can replace their laptop. What he said is true, if not obvious.

So we can clamor for certain features to come to the iPad Pro (I know I do), but let's not think we were ever cheated or lied to. We were never promised anything with the "Pro" name except generally better specs, if you can even call it a promise.

Bigger screen and twice the memory? Well the 9.7" Pro doesn't even have that, so what make it so much better for work?

Like I was saying above, not better for work per se, but simply better than regular iPads--and in trying to answer my version of your question, at first I thought you got me with the 2GB RAM. But looking at the MacBook Air 13" vs MacBook Pro 13" on Apple's website, turns out they both actually come with 8GB RAM, and the MBP can even come with 4GB. So the pattern still holds up, and if anything, we should be demanding Apple explain why the MBP starts with less RAM than the MBA. :eek:
 
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There's a lot of good argument on both sides of the fence in this forum. I agree with a lot of what has been said, on both sides. This issue I have is that Apple has marketed iPad Pro (both sizes) as laptop replacements, which simply is not the case. If your work consists of document viewing and editing, drawing, or some (not all) photo/video editing, then it is great. If you need to shell into computers across your enterprise on the go, you're SOL. But I think the biggest example for me of how I can't get rid of my MacBook (or any laptop) was just a couple if weeks ago: the iOS 10 update put my phone into recovery mode and I couldn't do ANYTHING until it was plugged into a full computer running iTunes. In addition, Apple still does not have a way to transition health data from
iPhone to iPhone without use of a full computer running iTunes. Pretty basic stuff, that honestly shouldn't need either a computer or iTunes, but it still negates Apple's own argument in my mind.
 
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There is a wide range from the current "Fisher-Price My First Tablet" look of the current 12.9 iPP and the same icon density of an iPhone. Apple could easily add another column or two without causing it to be unwieldy.
This is true. My JB'd 12.9 Pro currently has five columns and seven apps in the dock and it still looks plenty spacious, stock even.
 
The name "Pro" has nothing to do with whether or not the device can be used professionally. That's a meaning people have projected onto the name, but it was never meant to promise that (and it never could because professional use is so subjective). If you look at Apple's use of the word "Pro" in their past and current product lines, it has always simply meant "a bigger and better tier"--not a new product category. The Mac Pro doesn't do a whole new category of tasks that the Mac Mini can't; it does the same tasks--it just does it better and handles more, because of better hardware--but it runs the exact same OS, exact same UI, exact same input methods, and for the most part the exact same applications. The iPad Pro follows this same rule/pattern. It has better hardware (higher tier specs, better expandability with USB 3.0 and smart connector, and optionally a bigger screen)--but exactly the same as the rest of the iPad line in every other way. Although with Apple Pencil support, it does break the pattern in a good way, by adding functionality. But perhaps the Pencil is to come to the rest of the iPads as well. (As a sidenote, the existence of a "Pro" tier makes me think Apple has to continue making non-Pro iPads. It wouldn't be consistent with their other product lines otherwise.)

Likewise, nobody argues that the MacBook Air can't be used professionally, because there's no "Pro" in the name. Point being, the names were never meant to tell you what they are supposed to or not supposed to be used for. They're meant to tell you how they stack up against the rest of the product line.

So since professional use is subjective, to some that means the iPad Pro finally crosses their threshold of adequate functionality for a work device. To some the original iPad already met their requirements. To others, the iPad Pro still doesn't and may never meet their requirements.

But to add to the confusion, Tim Cook has explicitly positioned the iPad Pro (at least the larger one) as a laptop replacement for "many" people. Again, to be clear he did not say it's a professional device replacement, because not all people use their laptops for work. It simply means what it says: many people use their laptops for things they could do on an iPad Pro, and for them, the iPad Pro can replace their laptop. What he said is true, if not obvious.

So we can clamor for certain features to come to the iPad Pro (I know I do), but let's not think we were ever cheated or lied to. We were never promised anything with the "Pro" name except generally better specs, if you can even call it a promise.



Like I was saying above, not better for work per se, but simply better than regular iPads--and in trying to answer my version of your question, at first I thought you got me with the 2GB RAM. But looking at the MacBook Air 13" vs MacBook Pro 13" on Apple's website, turns out they both actually come with 8GB RAM, and the MBP can even come with 4GB. So the pattern still holds up, and if anything, we should be demanding Apple explain why the MBP starts with less RAM than the MBA. :eek:


I just want to say this is one of the best comments I have read on any of the many iPad Pro threads that I have read since I picked my 12.9 128gb Space Gray WiFi Cellular iPad Pro relating to what the meaning of the pro iPad line is I personally love mine and don't plan on Thank You. subjonas
 
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If the 12.9 catchs up to the 9.7 iPad with true tone and a better camera, then it's a no go or upgrade for me. It must have something special for me to upgrade to a generation 2.
is a better camera really important on the 12.9 though?

agree on true tone display.
 
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