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iPad Pro iPad Pro 2 will see iPad-->iPad 2 level improvements

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Further optimized iOS for iPad Pro
3D Touch
Faster Touch ID
Apps actually optimized for the iPad Pro
Lighter
Thinner
Possibly an even more accurate Apple Pencil


This thing has potential, but I'm not beta testing this for an year
 
+1! I was able to order one for store pickup today, and cancelled it. I'll just wait for #2.

I cant draw to save my life... So other than screen size and processor, it's not really an upgrade from the Air 2 that I've had for over a year now.

Next year though will be another story!
 
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iPad Air wasn't updated this year? Isn't each size iPad on a 2 year cycle or am I confused ?
 
And then version 3 will be better than version two. If you don't need it, then of course don't buy it. But if you think you'll get value out of it now, then waiting for next version is silly.

Faster Touch ID is hardly worth waiting a year for. Force Touch (3D Touch) maybe, there are very few strong use arguments for it on the iPhone, let alone the iPad. A couple of app icon contextual menus is hardly worth waiting a year for. iPad Pro optimized apps? Yes, developers need time, so that's somewhat of a valid argument to wait, but version 2 of the hardware isn't required for that. More accurate Pencil? Perhaps. But again, is it worth denying yourself for a year while everyone else gets to make use of it now?

Like I said, if you don't have a good usage scenario for the iPad Pro now, then it's not worth buying. And even a year wait may not change that. If you do have need for it now, then waiting for some minor revisions seems like overkill.

Unlike the original iPad, which was a bit anemic to start with, the Pro is pretty well spec'd out. 4GB of RAM when all others currently owned have 512MB, 1GB or 2GB. A processor that's already faster than what's in many modern laptops and should survive an iOS 10 update with ease, a screen resolution that's likely to hold its own for another couple years at least. And rumors of a USB 3 capable chipset inside, waiting for software and new cables to activate (time will tell on this one)... The iPad Pro is far more "future proof" than the original was.

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Aluminum213 said:
Further optimized iOS for iPad Pro
3D Touch
Faster Touch ID
Apps actually optimized for the iPad Pro
Lighter
Thinner
Possibly an even more accurate Apple Pencil


This thing has potential, but I'm not beta testing this for an year
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Further optimized iOS will only be available for iPP 2? Apps won't be optimized until iPP 2 ships? Do you think Apple deliberately made the device thicker so they could make it thinner for version 2? It's 6.9mm thick. How much thinner do you want it while maintaining acceptable battery life and ensuring the device doesn't get too hot? Unless faster Touch ID and 3D Touch are deal breakers (and they'd assuming 3D Touch is guaranteed for the next iPP) then I see no reason not to try one out. The return policy goes all the way to Jan 6.

I totally understand people being leery about buying a first generation product. But if you don't buy something because you know the next version is going to be better than you'll never buy anything because newer versions are always going to be better. From every podcast I've listened to so far it seems clear that nothing is even coming close to taxing the hardware in this device. There is plenty of headroom. I don't think the hardware will be obsolete anytime soon.
 
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JonSarge3108 said:
iPad Air wasn't updated this year? Isn't each size iPad on a 2 year cycle or am I confused ?
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iPad Air 3 was held off to give the iPad Pro breathing room


after using the iPad Pro in the Apple Store, there is SO MUCH wasted screen space, even with APPLE'S OWN APPS, it's laughable. Beautiful screen, but again, I'm not giving Apple $1k to beta test this thing for them while they take another year to actually optimize the software for this thing
 
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I don't know if you'll be seeing 3D touch on these devices. I might be wrong, but it seems like a terrible idea with a big, flexible piece of glass which, when pressed, distorts the LCD panel. It already has a pressure-sensitive stylus.
 
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Aluminum213 said:
iPad Air 3 was held off to give the iPad Pro breathing room


after using the iPad Pro in the Apple Store, there is SO MUCH wasted screen space, even with APPLE'S OWN APPS, it's laughable. Beautiful screen, but again, I'm not giving Apple $1k to beta test this thing for them while they take another year to actually optimize the software for this thing
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I can see that being the norm - yearly updates of iPhone, iPad mini, iPad, iPad pro, Apple TV and Apple Watch makes the diary busy...

Every other year for 3 iPads and watch means 2 per year and the phone yearly.
 
Aluminum213 said:
iPad Air 3 was held off to give the iPad Pro breathing room


after using the iPad Pro in the Apple Store, there is SO MUCH wasted screen space, even with APPLE'S OWN APPS, it's laughable. Beautiful screen, but again, I'm not giving Apple $1k to beta test this thing for them while they take another year to actually optimize the software for this thing
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I keep my iPad Pro in split screen mode a lot of the time. Two iPads fused together. It's great.
 
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I doubt it will be that drastic. My guesses are that it will support the A10X, the LTE version will add Bands 12 and 30, it will get Touch ID 2, and if the current version doesn't have it already, the storage will be upgraded to PCIe with NVMe like the iPhone 6S. They are all nice improvements, but nothing worth waiting a year for if you want the iPad Pro now. The current version is significantly more capable than the iPad Air 2 and I doubt Apple withhold any new software features in iOS 10 from the iPad Pro, unless it includes 3D Touch, which I think is less likely than not.
 
iKnackwurst said:
Is iPad Pro really a first gen product? It's an iPad with a bigger screen and better specs, in the same way the iPhone 6 is a bigger iPhone than the 5S before it.
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Indeed it isn't a firsr Gen product, it's a continuation of the iPad air. Problem is the bigger screen has brought to light ( and I think even the air suffers this problem) the fact apple wastes to much screen size and power with a dumb OS that is far too simple.


That and the fact this pro has so much power wasted on watered down mobile apps and angry birds style games.

Give it time and hopefully developers will invest more into powerful desktop quality apps. But their has to be a demand for that and people willing to pay more for apps and games.
 
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KPOM said:
I doubt it will be that drastic. My guesses are that it will support the A10X, the LTE version will add Bands 12 and 30, it will get Touch ID 2, and if the current version doesn't have it already, the storage will be upgraded to PCIe with NVMe like the iPhone 6S. They are all nice improvements, but nothing worth waiting a year for if you want the iPad Pro now. The current version is significantly more capable than the iPad Air 2 and I doubt Apple withhold any new software features in iOS 10 from the iPad Pro, unless it includes 3D Touch, which I think is less likely than not.
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Having a paltry number of apps actually being optimized for the iPad Pro resolution is easily worth the wait
 
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Aluminum213 said:
iPad Air 3 was held off to give the iPad Pro breathing room
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I'd say it's equally likely that production of the A9X is constrained enough that adding it to the iPad Air 3 would present production challenges.
 
Prepare to wait 2 years, just like for a new Air. The Pro is beast and in no way "beta". Also, thinner/lighter and 3D touch are an antagonism right now.
 
Robstevo said:
Indeed it isn't a firsr Gen product, it's a continuation of the iPad air. Problem is the bigger screen has brought to light ( and I think even the air suffers this problem) the fact apple wastes to much screen size and power with a dumb OS that is far too simple.


That and the fact this pro has so much power wasted on watered down mobile apps and angry birds style games.

Give it time and hopefully developers will invest more into powerful desktop quality apps. But their has to be a demand for that and people willing to pay more for apps and games.
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Space is wasted on the home screen. Where else? I think the icon spacing is fine on my Air 2 and iPhone, but the Pro could use some optimization for those who want to see more apps on each screen. I'm betting iPad Pro owners will likely see lots of iOS improvements even before the next version. And iOS is far from a dumb OS, it offers some of the most premium and capable apps you can find on a mobile device. I bought my first iPad to enhance my music creation and recording setup, and let me tell you, the iPad has been capable of doing things with music production for years now that the competition still hasn't caught up to. The iPad Pro is far and away the most powerful iOS device to date, and many apps are already better because of it. If iMovie can edit multiple streams of 4K, I really hope Adobe finally releases a proper Premiere app for the Pro.. and Photoshop too. Looking forward to to seeing what developers come up with.
 
Aluminum213 said:
This thing has potential, but I'm not beta testing this for an year
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this is exactly how i feel.

Sure, it's not fair to call it a beta, but the point still holds. It's going to be a year for apps and iOS to be updated and decent—assuming developers are still willing to invest in iPad apps given the terrible app store economics. And there are gaps like 3D touch and iOS improvements which need to happen.

I feel like the product and its ecosystem are a year away from being solid.
 
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KPOM said:
I doubt it will be that drastic. My guesses are that it will support the A10X, the LTE version will add Bands 12 and 30, it will get Touch ID 2, and if the current version doesn't have it already, the storage will be upgraded to PCIe with NVMe like the iPhone 6S. They are all nice improvements, but nothing worth waiting a year for if you want the iPad Pro now. The current version is significantly more capable than the iPad Air 2 and I doubt Apple withhold any new software features in iOS 10 from the iPad Pro, unless it includes 3D Touch, which I think is less likely than not.
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I can confirm the same storage as the 6s with writes over 500mb/s and reads over 1000mb/s according to phone doctor plus
 
I woud probably agree with you. The ony missing feature i really wanted for force touch. but I have a feeling that that real estate was not enough for put what probably looks like 4 force touch sensors and have the same battery space. I would think that they would probably want to save this for an upcoming release.

I can see next year getting an updated force touch but from the sound of it and also based on the average life span of a Ipad -- I believe the Air 3 is next year and then Ipad Pro 2 is a year after that. They don't want these products canabalizing themselves so i can see this type of change.

I really really would like a better centralized file system in iOS apps that isn't iCloud. That is my biggest grip about using two different apps to access the same file.
 
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I'd say it's equally likely that production of the A9X is constrained enough that adding it to the iPad Air 3 would present production challenges.
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The air 3 won' t get the a9x that is found on the ipad pro.
No way apple will allow that. Unless the air 3 is released at the same time as the pro 2.
If the ipad air 3 is released before the pro 2. It will feature an a9 soc @2ghz and 2 gb of memory or something like that.

I hear a lot of talk about pencil support for the air3, too.
I can' t see apple allowing that either.

The same high end specs on the air3 as on the pro for a lower price will eat their margins and canabalize the sales of the ipad pro.

Remember the one is called pro, the other:air.

This will only be possible if apple releases the pro 2 at the same time as the air3. (Nov. 2016)
 
I think that the iPad Pro 2 will have 3D touch, be faster and maybe have more storage but that might not be next year.

I think the main changes they will come with iOS 10, I think like with the iPad Air 2 which got a big improvement to multitasking this year the pro will get some nifty features next year. That would work with both the pro and pro 2. I'm hoping something around the home screens waste of space.
 
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