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It’s still the iPad line looking at iOS. The point is fragmentation already exists with current models and different features are available to each. Chances are the 6gb models will have more features available to them come iOS 13

Ya, that worries me. I like future proofing. I keep devices for a long time, and I mean long, ie Im still using an old Air 1 and a 2008 MBP . I’ve been looking forward to ditching both for this new iPP series. I’m a believer in the more ram the better, if you can’t use it all now you’ll need to later, kind of philosophy. I don’t need a whole TB of storage but if that’s the only way to max out the specs (ram) for newest model then I might just bite the bullet and be thankful (knowing how long I use stuff) literally years from now.
 
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Considering they'll be a fraction of iPad sales I don't see any differentiation based on 6GB RAM until at least the next set of models launch with 6GB across the board (12-18M time). I don't see Apple turning around and saying to someone with a 512GB model "oh sorry, you might've the latest and greatest but because you didn't max out the storage you lose out on features". They're a bit more savvy than that. So definitely no differentiation with iOS 13, perhaps with iOS 14 alongside the next gen pros (though I also doubt that based on the feature rationing that happened between the X and XS).

Couldn’t that be said for the original 12.9” vs 9.7”? The 9.7” was the newer and better selling unit but the 12.9” still has more features from the OS. It will happen, you can quote me on that. What I’m more concerned about are apps taking better advantage of the more ram available. Specifically photoshop. It already happens in apps like procreate.
 
Couldn’t that be said for the original 12.9” vs 9.7”? The 9.7” was the newer and better selling unit but the 12.9” still has more features from the OS. It will happen, you can quote me on that. What I’m more concerned about are apps taking better advantage of the more ram available. Specifically photoshop. It already happens in apps like procreate.
Again, though, what I'm trying to stress is that the 12.9 and 9.7 were distinct product lines, not storage tier variants. I'm fairly certain it's unprecedented to have one gen 3 12.9" pro that can do, for example, full multitasking, but another gen 3 12.9" pro that cannot. That's messy, and something that will generate backlash. Features dependant on 6GB of RAM will happen eventually, yes that's absolutely true. But I simply don't see that happening in enough time for these ipads to benefit from it. Most apps are coded for the lowest common denominator. If you can add more layers in procreate on an IPP with 4GB than an iPad with 2, then thats extra functionality, not detracting from the basic app experience. If Apple had a big feature requiring 6GB RAM to function just round the corner, then these iPad pros would have had 6GB across the board.
 
I don’t think RAM is on the package - at least it traditionally hasn’t been for X chips in iPads. I don’t think the 6GB vs 4 is really going to make a huge amount of difference with this gen of iPad - by the time it comes into play in any meaningful way they will be getting quite long in the tooth, and I don’t see Apple crafting a special version of iOS for the 1TB versions that might allow them to take advantage of future ram-limited features (true multitasking?) that may come to future iOS versions. At this point, reloading seems to be more of an optimisation thing than an actual reflection of RAM capacity
Thanks for that info.

Yeah, I don't think Apple's gonna differentiate features based on RAM, either. I think some of that 2GB will be usable and can benefit RAM hungry apps but that'll be more of a bonus rather than a necessity.
 
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So, what is the reason for 6Gb ram only on the TB model?

So they can use up the old ram off the shelves in the rest of them, you are getting only a partial new product for a premium price...that’s how Apple rolls now...new release partial new upgrades for premium prices..and yea I’m pissed about it, even though I ordered one, probably last time with them as I’m done being used
 
Thanks for that info.

Yeah, I don't think Apple's gonna differentiate features based on RAM, either. I think some of that 2GB will be usable and can benefit RAM hungry apps but that'll be more of a bonus rather than a necessity.

You mean all of the pro desktop-class apps that Apple is marketing this new iPad towards?
 
Today you can see that when Apple makes people pay more for 2GB of RAM and increases their prices by a lot they also take a hit themselves. Not many people are not happy about price increase and just 4GB of RAM
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It can run and will run. It is just that when they charge you premium prices people expect premium specs ;)
Today 4GB of RAM is not considered “Premium” when smartphone manufacturers out of China have 6-8GB of RAM in smartphones 1/3 the size.
Stocks dropped because of lower than expected quarterly iPhone sales and the fact that APPL Decided to provide less transparency in financial disclosures moving forward. No investors are selling because they’re mad about what a product should have included - stock moves on sales volumes.
 
If we get all technical... the iPads with 1TB have 5.52GB of RAM, (yes, I know you round off) but bloody hell, 5.52 is pushing it. I’d almost say we may have 4GB, 5GB and a half, and almost 6GB RAM models. lol
So this shows that not all will have 50% more RAM, but rather 30% or whatnot. ;)



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That’s what RIM and Palm said, people will always pay for upper tier. No one will ever replace us.
I remember RIM and Palm and there is no comparison. Although they were successful, they were far less successful for far shorter a time, with a smaller product portfolio than Apple. "No problem on the horizon" is not the same as claiming Apple to be infallible or that it will be forever successful.

There have been the chronic nay-sayers who have said that Apple is on the verge of a fall since the iPhone was first released. I suppose if they say it long enough, it will eventually be true. But that is not going to happen any time soon.

Even though you acknowledge what Apple is doing, you just purchased 3 of their premiere products and closed by saying, "Unless that changes next year I don’t think I fall for it again". So even if they don't change, you are still open to the possibility of buying another round of devices next year.

I don't say that as a dig or to insult you, but to point out that if those who DO see what's going on aren't changing their purchasing habits, why would those who DON'T see (what you see) do anything different?

The number of people who SEE and DO something different is extremely small. Even myself, who stated regularly that I'm on a phased approach to leaving Appleland and have already replaced some of my Apple devices with alternatives, will still buy Apple products (like the 2018 iPad) that represent OUTSTANDING value.

Apple has engaged in psychological testing of its customers and they are very much in tune with what they can get away with. Everything they do is met with a segment of their customer base getting upset and agitated at a change they make, they vent a little, shrug, and move on and buy the Apple product they were complaining about... rinse and repeat.
 
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If we get all technical... the iPads with 1TB have 5.52GB of RAM, (yes, I know you round off) but bloody hell, 5.52 is pushing it. I’d almost say we may have 4GB, 5GB and a half, and almost 6GB RAM models. lol
So this shows that not all will have 50% more RAM, but rather 30% or whatnot. ;)
I'm confused where you got your 5.52GB from.

Note, RAM is sold in powers of two so 0.5GB = 512MB. (GiB and MiB for some sticklers)
 
I'm confused where you got your 5.52GB from.

Note, RAM is sold in powers of two so 0.5GB = 512MB. (GiB and MiB for some sticklers)
That info is coming from the geekbench post, I'd believe... where it did NOT read 6144MB RAM, but rather something around 5500MB. Was a weird number actually.
 
That info is coming from the geekbench post, I'd believe... where it did NOT read 6144MB RAM, but rather something around 5500MB. Was a weird number actually.
Gotcha. I'm guessing Geekbench probably reports the value excluding system reserved memory.

Checked just now:
11" AP: 3769 MB
11" xAP: 5684 MB
12.9" xAP: 5650 MB

4096 - 3769 = 327
6144 - 5684 = 460
6144 - 5650 = 494

Mind, those are probably minimums and the system allocates more memory as needed.
 
Johnathan Morrison's review shows his has 5.52GB as does Rene Ritchies' I believe.
Note, Rene Ritchie's (iMore) review mentions 4GB RAM for 64-256GB and 6GB RAM for 1TB. I think Morrison's review might be video only and I don't have the patience to watch YouTube reviews.

Mind, if those numbers were based on Geekbench 4 (5650 / 1024 = 5.517578125), see my previous post (#217).

Funnily enough:

5684 / 3769 = 150.81%

Still 50% more even if you go by Geekbench 4's numbers. :p
 
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I'm pretty disappointed with 4GB of ram in these new iPads. Don't bring the pitchforks out; hear me out

Let's not forget the iPhone 4s and the iPhone 6/+ were ram starved at the time of their release and paid for it not even one year later. The iPhone 6 and 6 plus at launch were terrible when it came to ram centric tasks - multitasking and anything requiring memory beyond one app at a time.

On the iPad front the original iPad and iPad Air were really function deprived as were the mini and mini 2, mini 3 series due to ram. The iPad Air at launch (!) Was one of the most frustrating products I've owned. Multitasking was almost impossible on it and webpages refreshed worse than they did on 1gb ram iPhones

Those devices have all aged poorly

Now Apple's state of the art iPhones have 4gb of ram in them, but these new expensive iPads have the same amount yet have to push way more pixels?

The first iPad pro from 2015 has 4gb of ram and although the A9X isn't the beast the A12X is, it can still multi task like a champ.

I'm not saying these new iPads are the same per se. Clearly 4GB of ram is not straining these current devices. iPads with 2gb of ram are running great still

But what I'm disappointed in is how just like those other devices I mentioned, Apple went with the minimum amount they need as opposed to future proofing. You can bet next year's iPads will have double the ram or something and it just feels bad dropping that much money on an iPad that will likely get some more future proofing next year a la iPhone 6s .

It might just be me with these thoughts but if I get an iPad I don't want to buy another one every year or two, like phones. I like to keep them for a while longer
 
nope, same score (in the acceptable error margin)
But this doesn't say anything about the differences in e.g. certain apps, processes and rendering times.
Laptopmag has a great benchmark for e.g. rendering videos etc. Showing how fast the iPad Pro is compared to laptops. This was however does using the 6GB 1TB version. Pretty sure 4GB will need longer to achieve the same as most of those tasks are also (heavily) impacted by DDR.
 
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