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They designed a new product from scratch. I'm not shocked it is US only for the keyboard layout for now. I'd be shocked if it shipped initially with international options. Apple Watch rolled out in US first. ApplePay.... etc. It may be inconvenient to wait for a little while, but patience is a virtue
 
Yeah, but things like the layout being QWERTY rather than QWERTZ is a bigger issue - if you're a German touch typist you're going to expect the Z key to be where the Y key actually is
It'll be an even bigger issue in France where they use an AZERTY layout with lots of keys in a different place...

If you are a touch typist, you don't mind which physical layout you use since the placement of the keys is the same.
The physical keys become irrelevant as you use and practise it for a bit.
Whenever I needed I switched though German, Cyrylic and French layouts just by typing for half an hour or so after muscle memory caught up with the brain assigning different letters to finger placements.
Not easy, but doable from a touch typist perspective.
iOS virtual keyboards are the best here as you can switch the keys as needed with the layouts, however the lack of an alt key can be a real pita.
 
Apple Watch rolled out in US first

And Australia, Canada, China, France, Germany, Japan, Hong Kong and the United Kingdom on the same day… So based on time zones it actually rolled out in all of these countries before it did in the US…


It may be inconvenient to wait for a little while, but patience is a virtue

It's really easy to say this, when you live in a country, that gets the things you need/want first. I'd really like to see your reaction if it was the other way around and Apple only released European layouts at launch.
 
There's not that much difference between the US and German layout. It's reallz not that big a deal. You just need to keep a Yen attitude about it.
Guys, what the ****?
It's just a small design change.

The keyboard itself does not impose any sings yet. It's in software. I have a german keyboard on my MacBook and german wireless keyboard and it still works normal. It's just a printed ink on top. How it really works is set up in OS.
 
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If you are a touch typist, you don't mind which physical layout you use since the placement of the keys is the same.
The physical keys become irrelevant as you use and practise it for a bit.
Whenever I needed I switched though German, Cyrylic and French layouts just by typing for half an hour or so after muscle memory caught up with the brain assigning different letters to finger placements.
Not easy, but doable from a touch typist perspective.
iOS virtual keyboards are the best here as you can switch the keys as needed with the layouts, however the lack of an alt key can be a real pita.

Yeah, you're right, assuming that the layout for the physical keyboard can be selected
 
That's my favorite Mac design of all time. I'd love to get my hands on one of them again.



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One of the things I'm most disappointed with is that Apple has shown that '3D Touch' is going to be a big part of iOS but didn't bring it to the new iPad Pro. It's also a bit frustrating that they didn't make a slot for the Apple Pencil that would recharge it.
I don't have a 6s phone, so I don't know how much harder (than a tap) you have to press the screen to activate 3D Touch. But if Apple puts the feature on the iPad Pro, and the iPP is connected and tilted on a Smart Keyboard, would a "3D touch" be hard enough to push the iPP across the table? Or worse, tip it over?

I kinda like the magnet storage of the Surface Book pen. It seems like something Apple would have thought up, especially if it had some kind of MagSafe recharge. Then again, Apple might have thought of 100 reasons why magnet storage could be an epic fail. But still, it seems like something Microsoft stole out of Apple's playbook!
 
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Perhaps...I'm sure gen 2 will be better, but I wouldn't rule out either:

a) Apple merging iOS and OS X at some point down the road

or more sooner...

b) developers like Adobe porting over their professional apps for iOS.

Multiple Apple executives have publicly stated that they won't merge iOS and OS X. What they haven't stated, however, is that they won't gradually turn them into essentially the same thing. Once that happens, creating a device that switches from tablet to laptop will be simple and seamless.
 
As others have said, I would think Apple would eventually release local versions of the keyboard once they see what the demand is like.

I won't be surprised if pre-orders start around October 30th now that the FCC has cleared this.
If this is reborn in some form of Mac, I will buy two of them. My most favorite Mac of all the ones I owned, I miss it terribly.
 
How about a killer device that combines the iPad Pro with the MacBook retina; it would use iOS when keyboard is detached and OS X when attached as default but could be switched to iOS with keyboard.. make it support the Apple Pencil.

Could this work?

There is already "DuetDisplay app" that enables you to add a second monitor to your Mac laptop/desktop via your iPad or the "Astropad app" to turn your iPad into a Cintiq type tablet for your Mac laptop/desktop. Astropad app people are promising the new iPad Pro with pencil will give Cintiq users a better experience with Apple iPad Pro/Pencil running Astropad app.

Ex Apple employee Linda Dong was a big high end Cintiq user at Apple and before she left was on the test team for iPad Pro/Pencil. She thinks iPad Pro/Pencil kicks the high end Cintiq's butt. She's no longer at Apple and has no stake in the success of iPad Pro. But, she does have an informed opinion as a longtime Cintiq user and tester of iPad Pro/Pencil.

http://www.lindadong.com/blog//apple-pencil-vs-wacom-cintiq
 
He was when he was head of operations. Now he's CEO of the most valuable company in the world :eek: The best leaders are the ones who surround themselves with people who are better and smarter than they are.

Awesome. And yet people are telling me producing a $169 keyboard in international layouts is too difficult for them. Should we get someone from Logitech to give them a call?
 
Didn't the text say "at launch" ? They will make the other layouts. Use Bluetooth until ...
That said an AZERTY keyboard for example is significantly different than standard US keyboard, not so easy to switch.
 
Awesome. And yet people are telling me producing a $169 keyboard in international layouts is too difficult for them. Should we get someone from Logitech to give them a call?

Logitech CREATE is available at launch they said
 
Knowing that Apple will eventually add 3D Touch to iPads I'm not interested. Also the pen should have been integrated and rechargeable when docked. The recharging method is pretty ghetto when connected to the tablet. The keyboard thingy is an unoriginal knock off. Both accessories combined is half the price of an iPad Air 2. And the worst offense is that Windows 2 in 1's are full blown computers at equal or cheaper pricing.
The tablet market is in danger and this doesn't help it. Too many cons with this product for normal folks. And what concerns me the most is a report indicating that developers are starting to slow down updating iPad apps to their iPhone counterparts. The iPhone plus models have done much damage to the iPad.

Wait, so, this iPad will not have the screen that will support 3D Touch?
If that's the case, then I will totally be passing as well. Damn, why would they do this?
 
There is already "DuetDisplay app" that enables you to add a second monitor to your Mac laptop/desktop via your iPad or the "Astropad app" to turn your iPad into a Cintiq type tablet for your Mac laptop/desktop. Astropad app people are promising the new iPad Pro with pencil will give Cintiq users a better experience with Apple iPad Pro/Pencil running Astropad app.

Ex Apple employee Linda Dong was a big high end Cintiq user at Apple and before she left was on the test team for iPad Pro/Pencil. She thinks iPad Pro/Pencil kicks the high end Cintiq's butt. She's no longer at Apple and has no stake in the success of iPad Pro. But, she does have an informed opinion as a longtime Cintiq user and tester of iPad Pro/Pencil.

http://www.lindadong.com/blog//apple-pencil-vs-wacom-cintiq

The AstroPad is an intriguing idea as a go around option over the Cintiq for a cheaper alternative. However, the flaw is that it has to stay tethered to the Mac or laptop for it to work effectively to work on programs like Photoshop, Illustrator, etc. The advantage may be that the price point of the iPad Pro with Astropad may be attractive for those who want something over the Cintiq. But, the Apple Pencil is an insult to the creative profession where you have to keep charging it to have it work for 30 minutes and then re-do it again.

On the other hand, my old school Intuos 4 really gets the job done and the stylus never fails me without a need to charge. I think the Intuos is one of the things Wacom has done a good job with and I find them solid and stable to use.

Although, with Astropad and iPad Pro, one of the major problems is that if you wanted to take the real work with you on the go outside of your studio or office to the cafe, there is no way in hell you can "take" a full desktop class app like Photoshop to work with native files with layers into an iOS environment. This is why I think the Surface Pro has a big advantage on that as a hybrid device, something that iPad Pro should have been exclusively.

One could use a Mac laptop and a tablet but that would be cumbersome. I used to do that years ago and it was a pain in the ass if one were to set that up in a place like a coffeehouse or anywhere out of the studio.

I don't necessarily agree with Linda Dong's views as they're premature. I've never used a Cintiq but have seen a smaller model in the wild once. It's not a bad device and has some good accuracy with the stylus. Of course, it does have some drawbacks due to the limited OS compared to Surface Pro which has more flexibility.
 
The AstroPad is an intriguing idea as a go around option over the Cintiq for a cheaper alternative. However, the flaw is that it has to stay tethered to the Mac or laptop for it to work effectively to work on programs like Photoshop, Illustrator, etc. The advantage may be that the price point of the iPad Pro with Astropad may be attractive for those who want something over the Cintiq. But, the Apple Pencil is an insult to the creative profession where you have to keep charging it to have it work for 30 minutes and then re-do it again.

On the other hand, my old school Intuos 4 really gets the job done and the stylus never fails me without a need to charge. I think the Intuos is one of the things Wacom has done a good job with and I find them solid and stable to use.

Although, with Astropad and iPad Pro, one of the major problems is that if you wanted to take the real work with you on the go outside of your studio or office to the cafe, there is no way in hell you can "take" a full desktop class app like Photoshop to work with native files with layers into an iOS environment. This is why I think the Surface Pro has a big advantage on that as a hybrid device, something that iPad Pro should have been exclusively.

One could use a Mac laptop and a tablet but that would be cumbersome. I used to do that years ago and it was a pain in the ass if one were to set that up in a place like a coffeehouse or anywhere out of the studio.

I don't necessarily agree with Linda Dong's views as they're premature. I've never used a Cintiq but have seen a smaller model in the wild once. It's not a bad device and has some good accuracy with the stylus. Of course, it does have some drawbacks due to the limited OS compared to Surface Pro which has more flexibility.

Where did you ever get the idea the Apple Pencil only works 30 minutes and then needs charging?

Linda Dong worked at Apple with engineering using a high end Cintiq and also tested the iPad Pro/Pencil combo. So her opinion is not premature at all. She used both extensively.

I agree the Surface Pro 4 is a great tablet running a full OS. The iPad Pro/Pencil combo for illustration and design will be much more responsive and sensitive like a Cintiq than the Surface for now. The iPad Pro may be portable by itself with some of the bridge apps Adobe is making for it. It's just not an all in 1 OS solution like the Surface.
 
So....in order to protect my iPad Pro here in the UK I will be buying a standard case then have to shell out for smart case later?! Apple can see them $$$ signs with an extra accessory sale by delaying a full smart case release.

This along with the fact Apple chose to leave out 3d touch is making me reconsider an iPad Pro purchase even though Ive wanted a larger iPad since the first model.

I know I don't have to buy either case but on day 1 I will need/want protection & I really would like the functionality the keyboard will bring and would have purchased day one.

For comics, films and drawing/painting + the battery life, the iPad Pro could be the one, but I'm gonna have to consider Surface 4 as well.
 
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For comics, films and drawing/painting + the battery life, the iPad Pro could be the one, but I'm gonna have to consider Surface 4 as well.
For me the winning advantage with the SP4 (I own a SP3), is that it runs a full desktop OS. I think Apple has done a nice job with the iPad Pro but I do think people will get more usage out of the tablet if it ran a full desktop OS.
 
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Where did you ever get the idea the Apple Pencil only works 30 minutes and then needs charging?

Linda Dong worked at Apple with engineering using a high end Cintiq and also tested the iPad Pro/Pencil combo. So her opinion is not premature at all. She used both extensively.

I agree the Surface Pro 4 is a great tablet running a full OS. The iPad Pro/Pencil combo for illustration and design will be much more responsive and sensitive like a Cintiq than the Surface for now. The iPad Pro may be portable by itself with some of the bridge apps Adobe is making for it. It's just not an all in 1 OS solution like the Surface.

The charging part is where it lasts 12 hours as stated on the website. But if it runs out of energy, you charge it for 15 seconds and then it'll last 30 minutes from that point on. That's what I'm seeing on the Apple pencil page. I think they could've done a bit of a better job with the battery usage without having to keep recharging every half hour compared to the stable Wacom stylus.

I don't have a SP3 or 4 yet but it's something I'm very seriously looking into since I work with Manga Studio, sketchbook pro and Mischief as an illustrator. But I might add in Adobe CC in there if needed. My idea was to use native files on the go without being tethered in while providing flexibility.

But I think SP3 is probably a cheaper option that can get the job done with expandable storage. Not sure if I want to get that at Best Buy since their financing options suck.
 
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