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The SP3 has been a very successful, as the Surface 3. Yes, prior iterations were selling poorly but not now. MS has a great product on their hands - there's no way to spin it any other way.

Selling well doesn't make it great. Only if it's great can it be great :) Same goes for iPads.
 
being as heavy as the ipad 1 this monster will be too unwieldy. ipad air 3 with force and pencil will be the machine to get.
 
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If Apple's Smart Keyboard is anything like the Logitech fabric ones, it's not the best for touch typists.
Good if you spill drinks, but the material actually slows typing down.

I'm sure 3rd party companies will make better ones. Or buy the newly introduced Apple wireless keyboard...at least it has real keys.
(I have to say, the new MS Surface Pro 4 has a very nice looking keyboard cover)
 
There's no symbol on that keyboard that can't be found on the US keyboard using the option key

Then why don't you buy a German keyboard and start using the option key to make your fancy American letters?

Good luck with that horrible enter key, by the way.
 
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No international Keyboard? What exactly are these guys smoking that they think the whole world uses the US Layout?
Sorry Apple but that is some Grade A ********.

Indeed.

However, I think this just shows how limited the market is for a detachable keyboard. I would think that 90%, if not 95% of iPad Pro buyers will never use a physical keyboard with it. It just doesn't make sense. The whole point of the iPad is that you don't need a keyboard. If you really want the benefit of a physical keyboard, buy a MacBook and be done with it. Use the best machine for the job.
 
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No international Keyboard? What exactly are these guys smoking that they think the whole world uses the US Layout?
Sorry Apple but that is some Grade A ********.
Apple is fully aware that the entire world doesn't use a us layout. Apple knows that some foreign customers won't be happy that they can't get the keyboard right away. Apple frequently limits certain release products to the us. You know this very well. Your outrage is difficult to understand.

being as heavy as the ipad 1 this monster will be too unwieldy.
I am absolutely certain this will be a very successful product and it's weight will NOT be a problem. Have you actually tried it?
 
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Indeed.

However, I think this just shows how limited the market is for a detachable keyboard. I would think that 90%, if not 95% of iPad Pro buyers will never use a physical keyboard with it. It just doesn't make sense. The whole point of the iPad is that you don't need a keyboard. If you really want the benefit of a physical keyboard, buy a MacBook and be done with it. Use the best machine for the job.
I don't know about your percentages, but I know I don't plan to buy the physical keyboard. I will get the pen[cil], though.

The on-screen keyboard will probably suit me for the small amount of typing I plan to do.
 
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So it's true then..

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being as heavy as the ipad 1 this monster will be too unwieldy. ipad air 3 with force and pencil will be the machine to get.

I'm pretty impressed with the weight, in principal.

They've managed to get it 0.01lbs lighter than the cellular original iPad. That was certainly useable, albeit a lot heavier than the iPad Air 2.
 
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I like the direction Apple is going, but I'm gonna wait a few generations before I jump on an iPad pro. Eventually the iPad pros will have 3D touch and be able to run both iOS and OS X. For now, I am happy and content with my retina iPad mini. But does anyone know if the Apple pencil is gonna work with previous ipads?
 
There's no symbol on that keyboard that can't be found on the US keyboard using the option key
If you asked a German user if using a key sequence for every Umlaut they want to type then their answer would be short and too the point. Nein!.
The EU is a bigger market for companies than the USA + Canada. I've been fighing US Centricness for close on 40 years but still people in the US just don't get that not the whole world revolves around the lower 48 states.
 
Calm down. It is simply a second wave release. On new products they have to watch what happens with early manufacturing runs to see if there are any problems that need to be addressed before ramping to full production. It's as simple as that. Most people don't realize how many revs each run of phones experiences. iPad Pro, no difference. Keyboards no difference.
 
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iPad pro makes no sense. Maybe if it was a detachable screen on a MacBook that turned into iOS when detached. But on its own it's a clunky iPad.
 
So they're going to sell this for a month or two then release a new improved model? Seems disrespectful to early adopters. Okay... unusually disrespectful.

To make a good German keyboard would need an additional manufacturing line because of the different keyboard set up. It isn't just a matter of printing different letters on the keys. Apple is always constrained at launch and so they are focusing on the more universal keyboard. What they are making will work in U.S., Canada, UK, Ireland, Australia, New Zealand, Caribbean Islands, and South Africa. Did I leave anything out? How about India? Do they use a normal U.S. style keyboard? I'd guess that they do. So now we've covered 70% of the world's wealth and a third of its population off of the same manufacturing line. Not to mention countless ex-pats of all those countries living all over the world, plus folks who have adopted U.S. equipment for simplicity and because it is what is available.

Besides, you really don't want to buy the Apple's overpriced keyboard. Belkin will have a nice one in a few weeks for half the cost. Grab one of the countless unsold Android focused ones. That is what I did for my iPad Air 2. It fits in a keyboard case from Belkin which was designed for Samsung's 10" tablet and I got that for less than $10.
 
The whole point of the iPad is that you don't need a keyboard. If you really want the benefit of a physical keyboard, buy a MacBook and be done with it. Use the best machine for the job.
Oh good grief. The whole point of my iPad is that it's a tool. (For work and for play). I write. A lot. I use my iPad with a keyboard--a lot--as it greatly increases the speed and power of editing.

When my MacBook Pro, two external drives, and 30" monitor are sitting in my studio and I'm on the road/off site/enjoying coffee/etc my iPad is the best tool for the job. I do lots of other work on my iPad, including image editing. And drawing.

The best tool at the time depends upon what I choose to do and how. The iPad gives me flexibility and freedom.

I can't wait to see the Pro in action. The Disney videos were amazing.

(Oh, and the Ulysses app FTW.)
 
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iPad pro makes no sense. Maybe if it was a detachable screen on a MacBook that turned into iOS when detached. But on its own it's a clunky iPad.

I think that's the direction Apple is moving, but these things take time.
 
I am absolutely certain this will be a very successful product and it's weight will NOT be a problem. Have you actually tried it?

I disagree. I had the ipad 1 and after 5 minutes it just wasn't economical to hold. and if its going to sit on a table, it doesn't hold its weight against wacom. I dont see why the promarket would adopt it.

BUT history is on your side. Apple rarely misses its target. I just dont see the potential here until it weighs as much, at least, as the original ipad air.
 
Indeed.

However, I think this just shows how limited the market is for a detachable keyboard. I would think that 90%, if not 95% of iPad Pro buyers will never use a physical keyboard with it. It just doesn't make sense. The whole point of the iPad is that you don't need a keyboard. If you really want the benefit of a physical keyboard, buy a MacBook and be done with it. Use the best machine for the job.
You are vastly off on the percentage who will buy a keyboard. Now I suspect some will buy a keyboard and not use it. But way more than 10% of iPad Pro buyers are going to buy Apple's overpriced keyboard. Another group will buy a cheaper, but still high quality keyboard case. The goal isn't just to have something smaller than a MacBook. The iOS ecosystem is where many consumer's programs are. The iOS apps are cheaper than the OS apps with similar functionality. Also some folks just like the iOS experience for simplicity. I know a guy who travels with a Surface Pro and an iPad. Together they are heavier than a powerful laptop and theoretically the Surface can do anything the iPad can do, but he wants to use iOS.

If you asked a German user if using a key sequence for every Umlaut they want to type then their answer would be short and too the point. Nein!.
The EU is a bigger market for companies than the USA + Canada. I've been fighing US Centricness for close on 40 years but still people in the US just don't get that not the whole world revolves around the lower 48 states.

The world doesn't revolve around the U.S., but wealth and innovation does. The EU is not a bigger market for Apple than U.S. + Canada. It isn't even close. And keep in mind that "US" keyboard is going to work fine in the UK, Ireland, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, and, I believe, India.
 
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