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With the larger size, this could lead to a world-wide shortage of cheap plastic, grey microfibre and stinky neoprene.
 

I seen this. I'm friends with a few people that work at schools. iPads can't cut it for many things, and now with the new Macbooks things are worse because they aren't as rugged as many of the outgoing ones (the old white mb's) and now they have to buy an adapter so the kids can back up their data to flash drives. Apple is really dropping the ball with schools.
 
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Perfect opportunity for Apple to "catch-up" to the Surface by making the iPad pro run OS X. That would shake things up a bit, and make a really great super mobile computer — usable even in-flight with the person in front of you leaning back their seat. :)

iPad doesn't have to run OS X, for that you have Macbooks.
iPad needs to run iOS Pro with multitasking (the single thing arguably which it is lacking most), cursor support and precision. Which is next iOS
 
iPad doesn't have to run OS X, for that you have Macbooks.
iPad needs to run iOS Pro with multitasking (the single thing arguably which it is lacking most), cursor support and precision. Which is next iOS

Amen. The jailbreaking community has clearly shown that a cursor/mouse can easily be added and useful. Do that Apple, and I'll have one less reason to go behind your back and jailbreak!
 
Amen. The jailbreaking community has clearly shown that a cursor/mouse can easily be added and useful. Do that Apple, and I'll have one less reason to go behind your back and jailbreak!

Agree. Using mouse or with iOS would be great for drawing, precise graphic work, math (equation) input and etc.

On unrelated note, I think that there is no need for iPads to support OS X, simply because iOS devices vastly outnumber OS X devices. In other words, tablets from Apple so much more have higher market share compared to notebooks that it doesnt make sense for them to lose that position. Instead, advancing iOS to pro levels will ensure Apple's competitive position in mobile computing for 21st century cause it already got dominating position in the markets. PC market will be dwarfed someday by mobile devices (if not already)
 
Why not do similar to Microsoft and use a modified version of the iOS simulator for running iPad apps? All that would need to be added is the hooks into the main OS to access whatever peripherals there are. Now you'd have a device that would run both OSX and iOS apps essentially side by side. The simulator stores its data directly on the OSX filesystem so there's even potential for sharing of files (though in Apple tradition they would figure out a way to make not so straight forward).

I'm guessing the biggest issue with all this is Apple thinking this would be "ugly". ie, switching to OSX desktop for OSX apps and iOS style interface for iOS apps. I used to think that was annoying in Windows as well, until I actually used one.

The best part there is iOS apps can still be written as they are and would work without issue by default. They could then even add more features to the SDK to allow for advanced interaction with OSX and the hardware.
it is certainly possible (and probably quite easy) to do something along these lines but simply mashing together two OSes like that is a terrible idea. OS X is absolutely not optimized for touch - small menu icons, multiple submenus, right-clicking, option clicking, space bar etc. none of this will work on touch interface. so Apple would need to either completely redesign OS X or do something like what windows 8 does and keep the two environments totally separate. The former might be possible but it would be an absolutely major undertaking (involving not just Apple but 3rd party devs) and there have been no hints at all that Apple is going there. the latter provides very bad user experience and Apple will never go for it.
 
I'm a relatively dedicated mac user (laptops, desktops, phones) at home. My daughters have a couple of iPad minis too as it works for them, but for me the iPad has never really offered anything. I bought the original gen, but have never fealt compelled to upgrade.

For work though, my main machine is a Surface Pro 3 and I love it. The keyboard, wireless mouse, the USB port, the display port and that brilliant kick stand. Add to that the fact that I am running desktop apps and it's knockout for me. I know numerous companies are moving away from iPads, towards surface pros as they are a 2 for 1 for most users.

I cant see why there would be any real market for a larger iPad if it continues to run iOS and have no decent ports.

Someone explain it to me.

For me, a surface pro style machine that runs OSX and therefore virtualised windows if required, that has detacheable keyboard (windows, OS X configs), that could also flip to iOS and take advantage of the App Store would be a killer device. That's what we need, not a larger iPad which already has declining sales.
 
I would bet money it's USB-C connector, SIM slot's today are thinner than this...

any takers ??

(Also remember that of a kickstand of the Surface keyboard
 
I'm a relatively dedicated mac user (laptops, desktops, phones) at home. My daughters have a couple of iPad minis too as it works for them, but for me the iPad has never really offered anything. I bought the original gen, but have never fealt compelled to upgrade.

For work though, my main machine is a Surface Pro 3 and I love it. The keyboard, wireless mouse, the USB port, the display port and that brilliant kick stand. Add to that the fact that I am running desktop apps and it's knockout for me. I know numerous companies are moving away from iPads, towards surface pros as they are a 2 for 1 for most users.

I cant see why there would be any real market for a larger iPad if it continues to run iOS and have no decent ports.

Someone explain it to me.
Sounds like you use your SP3 primarily as an ultrabook rather than a 2-in-1. For those purposes, there are some excellent alternatives like the 2015 Dell XPS 13.

The kickstand is "brilliant" in that it is an integrated way to prop up a tablet, but inferior when using it as a notebook. Having owned a few Surface devices and comparing my experience with them to an actual hinged mechanism like the one on the Aspire Switch 11, I can say that the kickstand is a compromise. The touchpad on the TypeCover tarnishes the user experience as well.

One reason why there is (growing?) interest in an iPad Pro-type device is because of the richness of the software available for the platform. Comparing an iPad to an SP3 with regard to tablet functionality, there is no comparison... the SP3 still fall shorts... not because of any hardware limitations but because of the software that is available (or not available). The situation has steadily improved however.

A hypothetical iPad Pro that:
- supports pointing devices (like a mouse, presentation remote, etc.)
- larger screen
- multi-window
- active digitizer
- keyboard cover

would be appealing and provide a significant improvement to usability/functionality.



For me, a surface pro style machine that runs OSX and therefore virtualised windows if required, that has detacheable keyboard (windows, OS X configs), that could also flip to iOS and take advantage of the App Store would be a killer device. That's what we need, not a larger iPad which already has declining sales.
It is clear, at least to me anyways (and i alluded to this in my previous post) that this is the direction that Apple has been headed in for quite some time. In the meantime, the mythical iPad Pro could be an incremental step in that direction.

The new Macbook took a step closer from the ultrabook side, the iPad Pro would take it a step closer from the tablet side. The step after THAT would be a device that merged the two.
 
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I'm on the edge of getting a Surface Pro 3 . . . . so please keep me in the ecosystem Apple.

At this point you are better off waiting for the Pro 4 , it would likely be an Intel Skylake based machine.

Unless of course you find a really good deal on a sp3 in the meantime, or you just really need one :D
 
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Sounds like you use your SP3 primarily as an ultrabook rather than a 2-in-1. For those purposes, there are some excellent alternatives like the 2015 Dell XPS 13.

The kickstand is "brilliant" in that it is an integrated way to prop up a tablet, but inferior when using it as a notebook. Having owned a few Surface devices and comparing my experience with them to an actual hinged mechanism like the one on the Aspire Switch 11, I can say that the kickstand is a compromise. The touchpad on the TypeCover tarnishes the user experience as well.

One reason why there is (growing?) interest in an iPad Pro-type device is because of the richness of the software available for the platform. Comparing an iPad to an SP3 with regard to tablet functionality, there is no comparison... the SP3 still fall shorts... not because of any hardware limitations but because of the software that is available (or not available). The situation has steadily improved however.

A hypothetical iPad Pro that:
- supports pointing devices (like a mouse, presentation remote, etc.)
- larger screen
- multi-window
- active digitizer
- keyboard cover

would be appealing and provide a significant improvement to usability/functionality.




It is clear, at least to me anyways (and i alluded to this in my previous post) that this is the direction that Apple has been headed in for quite some time. In the meantime, the mythical iPad Pro could be an incremental step in that direction.

The new Macbook took a step closer from the ultrabook side, the iPad Pro would take it a step closer from the tablet side. The step after THAT would be a device that merged the two.

I hope you are correct. It means that r1 iPad pro is no good though.
 
I hope you are correct. It means that r1 iPad pro is no good though.
LOL If Apple delivers an iPad Pro as I described, that 1st gen device will be terrific IMO. The GTab Pro 8.4 does a very nice job with multi-window, bluetooth keyboard and mouse... To have a larger, iOS version of that, well, I'm more than ready.
 
It only "doesn't need it" until Apple puts it in. Then, it will need it and wishes for any other amount of RAM- including the former RAM standard- will be entirely wrong.

In another thread, a rumored new :apple:TV doesn't need 4K. There's 50 reasons why, which are pretty much the very same reasons why- when gen 2 :apple:TV was the current product- no one needed a 1080p :apple:TV.

In another thread, NFC technology was stupid or a gimmick that 99% don't want or need in a phone. Then, Apple adopts NFC and we want to boycott stores that won't let us pay with Apple Pay.

In another thread, iPads do not need front-facing cameras when iPads were the new thing. There were 50 passionate reasons why such a camera would be stupid in an iPad. Then, Apple rolled out iPad 2 with FaceTime and the biggest reason to upgrade was... can you guess?

<anything not in current Apple hardware for sale> is "not needed" until Apple puts it in. Then it can magically become THE "shut up and take my money" reason to buy the new model.

I'm with you on this particular topic. A multitasking, 64-bit OS with pinched RAM almost doesn't make sense. I hope a "pro" model brings more RAM too. It will probably be priced so that unit cost can't really be an excuse.


You knocked it out of the park. Grand slam! :D
 
I'd rather have a Surface Pro 3, to be honest.

Pertty much unless this thing did something new and amazing. (NOT a large ipod)

Full OS.

Make it the Retina Macbook screen without the keyboard running OS X.

I'm on the edge of getting a Surface Pro 3 . . . . so please keep me in the ecosystem Apple.

That would help, and a pressure sensitive pen like wacom.

yes, absolutely. a good stylus means a pressure sensitive active stylus as far as I am concerned.

Now if Apple would just do something new again insterad of several items that do the same thing at different sizes.
 
I don't remember exactly, but it was reported in Macrumours many years ago. It wasn't anything significant, just some sort of adapter/converter for the iPad.
That's still cool though. Pretty clever of the company to smoke out their leakers like that. I really hope this iPad Pro with stylus support is legit. Especially if it has stylus support.
 
"The latest rumors peg the iPad Pro as perhaps having a triple-core A8X"

Apple: Meet the iPad Air 3 with an A9X chip, it's the fastest chip we have ever made! And now, introducing an entirely new product... Meet the iPad Pro, with a 12" beautiful Retina display, usb c, stereo speakers and to top it all off...

Last years processor!

Yeah can't see this to be honest :-/
 
My wish is that the iPad Pro, if real, would let me boot into a full OS X to use my work software and also to offer an option to boot into iOS for app only needs.
 
I don't see the point of mouse support, for a touch based interface the finger is a superior (and the most natural) pointing device.

If they ever add support for higher resolution pen input, that should then be included in all models not only a "pro" version in my opinion.
 
I don't see the point of mouse support, for a touch based interface the finger is a superior (and the most natural) pointing device.
When using a physical keyboard, the mouse is superior and the most natural pointing device.

For content creation, a mouse offers greater control and accuracy than simply using a finger.


If they ever add support for higher resolution pen input, that should then be included in all models not only a "pro" version in my opinion.
That would add unnecessary expense and complexity to a non "pro" system designed primarily for content consumption.

I've been impressed with how 3rd parties have worked around the limitations of the iPad to provide some type of active stylus support. Very creative.

If Apple won't provide support for conventional active stylus...
At the very least, Apple should adopt one of those solution's APIs and make it system-wide to iOS (rather than specific to individual applications that employ those APIs)... that could allow the existing hardware to support these type of stylus.
 
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