iPad Pro Concept Imagines 11.9-Inch Display, Thin Bezels and Face ID

[PickUrPoison]

I don’t think the display will be 11.9”. The previous rumors of 11” make more sense, along with shrinking the physical size.

Similarly, the 12.9” model will come in a smaller package, and might even stay at 12.9” for the display. But maybe a slight increase as well; 13.5”?

 

[Superhappytree]

If they go with a notch instead of something like this then I’ll be highly disappointed. The iPad is the one device that needs a bezel to hold onto due to its size and operation with two hands. The bezel should still be thick enough for FaceID and all the sensors to be hidden at the top. It would make no sense to me if they go with a notch, although iOS 12 on the iPad is making it seem that way which I really hope is just a visual change to freshen it up.
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Hire a graphic designer do be an industrial designer?

Well they put Jony in charge of software design with zero prior experience so why not?

 

[jmh600cbr]

his mac os concept is incredibly good

 

[Gaprofitt]

Surprised these things still sell. I consider them obsolete with the larger phones these days.

 

[Zoboomafoo]

Yes! Hey Jony, hire this guy to do your job.

Is this really that hard? It’s like three rounded rectangles

 

[Freida]

I wonder what they will do with the 12.9 as that is what I'm after. same screen size smaller footprint would probably be ideal

 

[MarkB786]

Will be interesting to see if you can use FaceID to unlock the Pad Pro when it is being held either way horizontally.

 

[Eorlas]

This looks good. There is no need for a notch on the iPad. There is enough linear space along the bezels to house all the required Face ID sensors.

There is no need for a notch on anything.

 

[jimmy_uk]

Will be interesting to see if you can use FaceID to unlock the Pad Pro when it is being held either way horizontally.

For sure as they will probably want it for the iPX+

 

[826317]

There is no need for a notch on anything.

I don't care for a notch on the iPhone. The iPhone X has an aspect ratio of 19.488:9, it can fit any 16:9 video or image in full screen and still have screen real estate to spare. The notch allows indicators such as time, WIFI etc. to be visible to the user without taking up any of the core screen real estate. by core real estate I mean the rectangular section from directly below the notch down to the bottom bezel. If there was no notch, the screen would have only been as big as the aforementioned core section of screen real estate. Meaning that all the status indicators mentioned previously would have had to take up real estate at the top of the display, reducing the amount left for other applications.

I have yet to hear a solid substantive argument against the use of a notch other than the occasional "it looks ugly", which is highly subjective. As I see it there really is no down side to the use of a notch.

 

[meteoreos]

So is the new iPad likely to come in September?

 

[subjonas]

That means you’re turning what would potentially be useful screen space to a literal device handle. Better to get a case that can give you extra grip. Apple can handle accidental touches with palm-rejection style stuff.

Agreed, I'd rather have more potential display area rather than a fixed bezel area for the sake of grip.

The logic needed to reject input from the grip area shouldn't be difficult. The user is holding on to an area with very little movement.

How would the software know when your thumb is long pressing a button near the edge of the screen and when you’re just holding the iPad?

 

[Mr. Dee]

Nice, but I going to hold out for a while. There is only so much you can do with one of these. Gonna try and get as much value out of my 12.9 before consider another one. Maybe when Super OLED is included and faster wireless technologies.

 

[Loge]

We already have 4 screen sizes of iPad - not convinced we need another size.

 

[blackcrayon]

Agreed, I'd rather have more potential display area rather than a fixed bezel area for the sake of grip.

The logic needed to reject input from the grip area shouldn't be difficult. The user is holding on to an area with very little movement.

That means you’re turning what would potentially be useful screen space to a literal device handle. Better to get a case that can give you extra grip. Apple can handle accidental touches with palm-rejection style stuff.

We're already using that logic, it's on every iPad and iPhone (I think they started using it when the iPad mini was first released with its smaller (for an iPad of the time) bezels )).

Open Safari. You should notice it takes a split second longer to start scrolling if you scroll at the very left or right side of the screen rather than starting in the center. I guess the algorithm assumes a grip is a steady touch, while a fast movement is someone trying to scroll so it switches to that mode when it's detected.

 

[JPack]

How would the software know when your thumb is long pressing a button near the edge of the screen and when you’re just holding the iPad?

By prescribing proper interface guidelines for margins and safe areas in iOS 12.

This is already laid out clearly with iPhone X and iOS 11 in Apple's Human Interface Guidelines. iPad would be a natural evolution.

Software can also track the placement and shape of a thumb to determine the probability of a resting thumb vs. an interaction.

This whole issue basically makes mountains out of a molehill.

 

[subjonas]

By prescribing proper interface guidelines for margins and safe areas in iOS 12.

This is already laid out clearly with iPhone X and iOS 11 in Apple's Human Interface Guidelines. iPad would be a natural evolution.

Software can also track the placement and shape of a thumb to determine the probability of a resting thumb vs. an interaction.

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This whole issue basically makes mountains out of a molehill.

Those guidelines talk about avoiding putting buttons where they will be obscured by the rounded corners and notch, nor near the bottom where the home screen indicator bar might interfere. Those guidelines don’t help with this.

A (near) bezel-less iPad would need to have all buttons moved away from the edges of the screen leaving a significant gap all the way around the screen edge, and this would be for every app. I don’t see that happening.

Not sure if you’re picturing what I’m describing, but there is no physical difference between a thumb long pressing a button on the edge of the screen and a thumb holding an iPad. The only difference is in the user’s intent, which not even another human can know, much less software.

 

[davidg4781]

No. No! The bezels on the top and bottom of the iPad are necessary! They're the handles when watching videos! Can you imagine watching something on the iPad with your hands covering half of the video due to the lack of handles? Ugh, that would be awful!

This.

I don’t have an iPad. Yet. But I can’t imagine having a completely bezelless device. iPhone I can cradle in my hand. iPad I can’t.

 

[JPack]

Those guidelines talk about avoiding putting buttons where they will be obscured by the rounded corners and notch, nor near the bottom where the home screen indicator bar might interfere. Those guidelines don’t help with this.

A (near) bezel-less iPad would need to have all buttons moved away from the edges of the screen leaving a significant gap all the way around the screen edge, and this would be for every app. I don’t see that happening.

I don't see how it's different. We're talking about nearly identical margins and safe areas. In fact, the orientation and shape of the margins are the same as iPhone X in landscape.

A thin-bezel iPad would have the same rounded corners and home indicator.

Why wouldn't app developers comply with this guideline? They comply for iPhone X, but refuse for iPad?

How many apps have interaction elements on the left-most or right-most edge of the app? And not at the top?

Not sure if you’re picturing what I’m describing, but there is no physical difference between a thumb long pressing a button on the edge of the screen and a thumb holding an iPad. The only difference is in the user’s intent, which not even another human can know, much less software.

A resting thumb has a different contact patch compared to a thumb tap. I don't know anyone who taps with their thumb as if trying to squish a bug.

 

[ActionableMango]

I don't know anyone who taps with their thumb as if trying to squish a bug.

Women with long fingernails do exactly that.

 

[JPack]

Women with long fingernails do exactly that.

Then the new iPad won't work for people with long fingernails. Similar to the way Apple Watch doesn't work for people who try to press the screen with their thumb.

 

[Oldfash33]

Bring it!

 

[DeepIn2U]

Yes! Hey Jony, hire this guy to do your job.

Jony is overrated and getting VERY lazy ... dry of all ideas I think.

Time for Apple to highlight their A chip lead engineer ... He's done more consistent efforts than Ive has in the last 10yrs.

I'm loving the control panel + widget layout in iOS12 if it comes to pass!

 

[AstroRob]

FaceID on an iPad is a horrible idea. It is incredibly limited on active angles and orientations. Imagine it sitting on your desk and you want to reference something, and EVERY time you have to pick it up, orient it towards your face, then put it down. Or move your head over so it hovers over the sensor.

Or perhaps you pick it up inadvertently covering the sensor (I usually use the iPad in landscape mode, so often my hands are on both sides, so the sensor could easily be covered). Then you have to put it back down to type the PIN.

The finger sensor works at any orientation, even when I'm laying in bed at an odd angle reading a book. It's immediate, and requires vastly less manipulation of the device.

FaceID is fine for a phone form factor, even though my iPhone X unlocks much more slowly on average than my 6s did. But it would WRECK iPad user experience and utility.

 

[Oldfash33]

FaceID on an iPad is a horrible idea. It is incredibly limited on active angles and orientations. Imagine it sitting on your desk and you want to reference something, and EVERY time you have to pick it up, orient it towards your face, then put it down. Or move your head over so it hovers over the sensor.

Or perhaps you pick it up inadvertently covering the sensor (I usually use the iPad in landscape mode, so often my hands are on both sides, so the sensor could easily be covered). Then you have to put it back down to type the PIN.

The finger sensor works at any orientation, even when I'm laying in bed at an odd angle reading a book. It's immediate, and requires vastly less manipulation of the device.

FaceID is fine for a phone form factor, even though my iPhone X unlocks much more slowly on average than my 6s did. But it would WRECK iPad user experience and utility.

Interesting and thought provoking take.