Considering all the issues that Microsoft is having with all of their own Windows 10 hardware, I would recommend waiting for some user reviews before jumping onboard with this thing.
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Actually after owning a Surface Pro 3 for quite some time, I felt like Windows 10 was a huge upgrade actually the expierence was really good, the destkop to tablet transition is really smooth, and the bigesst problem is the lack of apps which deeply damages the tablet expierence on windows . This product by Samsung looks really nice but I feel it's lacking in ram to make it a real productivity tablet, although having the option gives this tablet an edge over IPP for example. I think Microsoft nailed it with the Surface Pro hardware and that has guided the competition to come out with products like this Samsung or the iPad Pro.
Right now I only own Apple products and love my iPad Pro, for my use it is an amazing device and the combo with my Macbook works pretty well. Also I am completeley invested on Apple's ecosystem (I own iPhone 6s, Watch, iPad Pro, Macbook and Apple TV) and it works really good for me but I do think Microsoft has been doing things well with Windows 10 and the Surface lineup, not enough for me to switch but I think Apple needs to come up with some new stuff or bigger changes, because I feel they are kind of stuck.
Just my opinion, I am definitely not buying the Samsung as I prefer the IPP but I do like the device and concept behind it, I do believe thos kind of machines have potential.
About battery life on my 12 inch Retina Macbook, even when in 50% screen brightness and only doing browsing on Safari I can get like 6 hours. The only way I get close to 8 is if I am simply reading a pdf and nothing else
Right now I only own Apple products and love my iPad Pro, for my use it is an amazing device and the combo with my Macbook works pretty well. Also I am completeley invested on Apple's ecosystem (I own iPhone 6s, Watch, iPad Pro, Macbook and Apple TV) and it works really good for me but I do think Microsoft has been doing things well with Windows 10 and the Surface lineup, not enough for me to switch but I think Apple needs to come up with some new stuff or bigger changes, because I feel they are kind of stuck.
Just my opinion, I am definitely not buying the Samsung as I prefer the IPP but I do like the device and concept behind it, I do believe thos kind of machines have potential.
About battery life on my 12 inch Retina Macbook, even when in 50% screen brightness and only doing browsing on Safari I can get like 6 hours. The only way I get close to 8 is if I am simply reading a pdf and nothing else
I have to agree that Windows 10 is NOT a positive point for tablets. Win10 is actually a step BACK from Windows 8 from a Tablet perspective. Having said that, Windows 10 is an excellent desktop OS. Using Windows 10 on my Surface Pro 3 is a frustrating experience. Input (buttons, icons, etc) are too small for touch - it's back to using the stylus. Windows 8 was a huge step toward Windows being touch compatible and now..."Oh good! The bleepin Star Menu is back!!!" Yep - go Winodws.
This is the reason Microsoft came out with the Surface in the first place. OEMs have been ruining Microsoft's vision for years. Remember Oragami (or Ultra Mobile PC as it came to be called)? The goal was a cheap (~$500), sleek, mobile tablet that had a decent battery and was navigated mostly via touchscreen. Think the iPad Mini but running Windows XP, was thicker, and had a stylus. The cheapest UMPC was about $800 and was far from mobile. None of them followed Microsoft's design guidelines.
Tablet PCs had been a joke for years and Microsoft decided to take hardware matters into their own hands. Look at the market for Windows 8/10 devices and what do you see? There are some Surface-like designs, but even now most OEMs rely on the stand by of laptops with touch-screens.
I'll say this - I owned a Samsung Windows 8 tablet for a while - and it was pretty great. It ran Sketchbook very well (but not Photoshop - it only had 2 GB of RAM) and had EXCELLENT stylus support! I ended up ditching it for a Surface Pro 3, but it was a pretty great device. I don't thing I would have had as much fun with it running Windows 10 though.
Yeah, I have no desire for this ever again. All Apple products here and just happy with how everything seamlessly works together.
Fine if you want Windows but if I did I would buy a Surface Pro with an i7 CPU rather than Samsungs cheap plastic construction.
if this comes with a good stylus, ill defiantly be ditching my ipad pro and apple pencil. Desktop software is just hands down better for my artistic needs. windows works great, would rather have OSX but Apple sucks and wants us all to run a phone OS for productivity.Samsung is a great comany. i still have an original gallxy tab 7 thats six years old. its still going strong with great battery life. im also looking into the Toshiba Dynapad. the old Toshiba encore 2 was a great tablet and both come with wacom pens so they work better than the apple pencil!
i killed my ipad pro battery painting last weekend in 5 hours. even apple is full of **** when it comes to battery life.
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i would not want the N-trg pen. its pretty good, but i prefer wacom or apple pencil more.
i killed my ipad pro battery painting last weekend in 5 hours. even apple is full of **** when it comes to battery life.
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i would not want the N-trg pen. its pretty good, but i prefer wacom or apple pencil more.
i dont have facebook on my tablet. or any other social media. only use it for art. but thanks for the suggestion!
Aces low, then?
Who feels ripped off?
Allow me to demonstrate: iPads outsell Windows tablets. Samsung making yet another Windows tablet isn't going to change that. If you think Windows is an improvement, by all means, why bother discussing the iPad at all?
And why do you think people going out of their way to read an iPad forum are going to be swayed by two minor bullet points? 256GB SSD and ~3hr charge time?
I doubt there's a single person on the planet for whom those differences are enough to sway from iPad to Windows 10. That's not to say that the faster charging isn't nice, but not enough to be such a deciding factor. And the storage? Meh. Windows already eats up a huge chunk of the difference.
You'd have to be on a razor's edge between iPad and a Windows tablet for this to be a deciding factor...
But if you like that tablet, by all means, go buy one. Enjoy it! And go talk about it with people who care.
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Sorry, was in the middle of 13 things, all of them annoying, when I posted that. I find that apps running in the background like Facebook (even when you turn off run apps in background) are what kill my battery. I am damn curious what the iPad says about battery use when you only get 5 hours.
Battery capacity isn't measured in mAh. The Galaxy TabPro S' battery capacity is slightly higher than the iPad Pro's at 39.5 vs. 38.5 watt-hours.
Otherwise, you'd mistakenly believe the iPad's battery is almost twice the size of the 13" rMBP when it's actually the other way around.
Lenovo tablets gets great battery life. It's the only android tablet I own that comes in at a close second to the iPad in battery life. Certainly the iPad is the gold standard in tablet battery life. The Pro is amazingly frugal in battery life.
I think you are the first person here to admit that you would be open to using a computer from another company than Apple. People here don't realize that competition is a good thing. It is what pushes companies like Apple to drop the price on the iPad Pro. When companies go unchallenged, the consumer is always the loser.
I am not here to try and sway Apple fans to buy the Samsung tablet. I am here to say that Samsung is throwing down the gauntlet and thats a good thing. As an Apple fan myself (I own an iMac, 2015 rmbp, iPad Air 2, iPhone 6 plus), I would have purchased the iPad Pro if I felt Apple wasn't pulling a fast one on customers by offering a 32gb base model for $800, a $169 keyboard, and a $99 digital stylus. Meanwhile Microsoft has the very best rated tablet keyboard from generations of improvements and they only sell it for $119. Microsoft also purchased N-trig technology for use in Surface tablets and they only ask $59 for the Surface Pen and include one free when you buy a Surface Pro. The funny thing is all the reviews comparing the Surface Pen and Apple pencil say the Surface pen feels better built.
Lastly, Microsoft offers a flat 10% college discount on devices and accessories while Apple has continually offered smaller and smaller discounts on hardware. The iPad Pro base model is $20 off with college discount which is laughable, while the keyboard and pencil have no discount at all. f
So yeah, I am a fan of Apple but I don't want them to dominate the market. I want them to have healthy competition so that they offer better value. In 2016, it is an insult to sell a "pro" device for $800 and only include 32gb of memory. If a windows tablet maker did that, people would call them out on it. The only reason people haven't done so with Apple is because they are Apple. But just like Microsoft was once the biggest and best, Apple is now, but theres always room for others to step in and offer a better value.
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Since you are so good at finding accurate sources (lol), here's one for you and its from goal zero. http://www.goalzero.com/solarlife/2...-question-of-battery-capacity-in-electronics/
amp hours only tell part of the story, theres also voltage to take into account. For your enjoyment i'll explain the situation..
iPad Pro battery specs
3.7volts, 10307mah 38 watt hours
Samsung Galaxy Tab Pro S
7.6volts, 5200mah, 39.5 watt hours
how is this magic number of watt hours determined?
Apple 3.7 x 10.3 = 38
Samsung 7.6x5.2=39.5
So in fact they have the same watt hour capacity. They just differ in how much current they put out as measured in volts and amps.
The fact that the Galaxy Tab Pro S charges in 2.5 hours versus the 5 hour charging of the iPad Pro is specifically due to the 12 watt charger that iPad Pro uses compared the usb c charger used by the Galaxy Tab Pro S.
And yes, the Galaxy Tab Pro S will get great battery life with windows 10.
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Were you not around when the iPP was first released? This place felt like a Microsoft Surface fan forum there were so many people extolling their virtues. I even bought a SP4 after reading about how awesome they were from folks here, thinking it must be great to have convinced so many alleged Apple fans (it wasn't).
Just because a lot of members of an Apple fan community have come to the perfectly reasonable conclusion that Windows is not for them and/or is not a great tablet OS doesn't mean they're some close-minded shills.
I challenge you to find a post in this thread where someone claimed that an Apple monopoly on technology would be good for the consumer. You seem to think that people here are stupid because they're not enamored with a Samsung Windows tablet or Windows in general, and I'm not sure why that is.
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My god, what is with your nasty little elitist attitude? I am not claiming to be an expert and I didn't even say he was wrong, I was just saying that some clarification or fact-checking might be in order since I have seen battery capacity measured in mAh for years. I even acknowledged that battery life can't be boiled down to capacity alone, which is what I gather the rest of your post is about.
Ah and mAh is a measure of current capacity, not energy capacity. Watt-hours is used to measure a battery's energy capacity.
http://www.goalzero.com/solarlife/2...-question-of-battery-capacity-in-electronics/
Edit: whoops, didn't realize someone else already posted this link and explained it.
Seems really odd that Samsung hasn't used their relationship with Wacom to get a Penabled digitizer into this thing. I wonder if that choice is on their end of if Wacom is resisting helping anyone produce devices that could eat into Cintiq sales at this point? There's a rumor that this is part of why the SP3 went N-trig.
no problem. its always nice to get constructive ideas. ill check out the battery usage next time i do a paint session. im pretty sure i could kill a battery in 4 hours with 100% brightness. i was really shocked this weekend after only a couple hours of painting at 75% brightness i had around 50% battery life left. painting can be very processor hungry, im guessing this is a factor- but the screen brightness is the biggest factor. when im just content consuming indoors I get great battery life. 8-9 hours easy (plus this is also at a lower screen brightness usually- i paint outdoors allot so i need the brightness to overcome the sun).
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yea, that sucks and i bet it will eventually bite wacom in the rear. EMR really is still the best even after all these years. i wish they would open it up, ES Bluetooth devices (n-trig or apple pencil) just dont have the feel. but maybe now that stylus are becoming mainstream- someone will make a tech that can eclipse the wacom monopoly. i sure hope so- the companion has allot of downsides to it as a tablet- but its the ultimate tool for drawing and painting.
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im OS agnostic. spent so many years going back and forth i feel really comfortable on both. i think people are close minded and lazy most of the time. computers can be like politics or religion. people pick a side and stick to it- no matter what the actual truth is. the truth for me, is that there is very little difference between the two OS's. i have had mac's go bad and also PC's. both get virus's, but ive never had one on either. they each do something better than the other. Just depends on what you want. i do admire the apple marketing and industrial design team. they learned that the look of the device actually matters more that the performance. people pay for that pleasure. its just like a beautiful woman- no matter how poorly she performs in the kitchen, you'll put up with her S**T because she's hot, and makes you look cool. Well, at least until the new model comes along. LOLZ
I hacked my CC2, it runs OSX right now. i think OSX is a little better for the visual artist workflow. but the hardware- meh- what are they thinking. its funny running astropad on the CC2.
To me the only real point of superiority is how Samsung managed to squeeze in a larger battery with excellent charging times in a thinner package. Then I remembered how Apple intentionally left large spaces for speakers. This means that the speakers are probably going to suck.
Also, why is there no mention of an active stylus and its performance on the main product page...? Or to the press? Caveat Emptor....
But yeah, agreed that the iPad Pro would do well with a 512GB option with 29W charging (charges fully in ~120 mins) at the $1079 price point.
Samsung has their own pen tech going with the S-Pen.
Microsoft went with N-Trig because they could exert a greater control over the company (eventually buying them).
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You must be new here... Welcome!
There are a lot of people on these forums with many different types of computers - and they're all quite vocal (be it positive or negative). Myself, in addition to my Apple Gear, I own a Surface Pro 3 and a Samsung Tab 7 (Nook Edition). In the past, I've owned a Samsung Note 8, a Samsung ATIV 500 (Windows 8), as well as various Nooks and Kindles.
Mobile digital drawing is pretty important to me. The ATIV was amazing and Samsung's S-Pen tech is pretty impressive. After a year of using the ATIV, I picked up a Surface Pro 3 (even traded in an old 11" MacBook Air for it) and it easily outperformed the ATIV. The iPad Pro is even better for digital drawing.
This comes from experience when I say... No gauntlet has been thrown down by this machine from Samsung. The Gauntlet is still between the iPad Pro and the Surface Pro with Cintiq thrown in for good measure.
Now, I'm not saying this machine shouldn't exist, or it's bad because it's Samsung - I'm just saying this machine isn't going to shake up anything at either Microsoft or Apple.
S pen is Wacom emr, u think that's better than N-trig on SP3? I'm surprised, I've had sp3 and 4, many wacom's and now Apple. Not a fan of blue tooth stylus feel yet.
I think it's a Major mistake if Samsung does not use EMR in this tablet. EMR makes this a IPP killer for me. If it has AES, maybe, I'll wait till others review it. But maybe Wacom is holding the EMR for their high end tablets. this kinda makes since when u consider the new universal stylus initiative Wacom is pushing for consumer gear. This is really similar to the AES tech in N-trig and the apple pencil., AES is great for consumer grade gear.