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My rubber baby buggy has them...
...wait... It's the bumpers that are rubber, not the baby.
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iPad Pro Pencil 2 will it be 2016 or 2017?
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...wait... It's the bumpers that are rubber, not the baby.
Yeah sure I'll carry around the adapter they supplied to get around the bad design. Your bumper analogy makes absolutely no sense and is not even remotely relevant to this discussion. If you really must insist on using a car analogy, it's the equivalent of Tesla making the charger port at the front of the car, 5 feet sticking out from under the bumper, and you need to drive it into the charger precisely or else it'll bend and break. Rubber on the bumper is so hilariously irrelevant I'm not even gonna bother
It's ok, Apple is allowed to make mistakes sometimes, they don't require fans' full-time apologizing on their behalf.
Oh well, can't wait to hear you defending the removal of the 3.5mm jack next week.
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A full charge of the Pencil gives you 12 hours. The "design flaw" charging system beast in your photo gets you a half hour extra in a WHOPPING 15 seconds, so it shouldn't sit in your design landfill any longer than that. If you need to carry around that 500-behemoth of a cable to charge the iPad, simply attach the adapter, like so:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01BRUU43O/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o06_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
If you find that a compromise, well, you're carrying the cable in a bag, right? Do you not have room for the female adapter, or does your Pencil and iPad take up every millimeter of room in that vacuum?
Oh, as to your analogy, the Pencil isn't essential to the operation of the iPP, vs. the charger actually being a necessity to start your Tesla.
Buzz me when you reply... I'm listening to my iPhone with a Bluetooth headset, so I might miss ya.
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Versus like a year with the Surface pen.
Just because you only need to deal with it for a short period of time doesn't mean it's suddenly not a design flaw.
Yeah, no, purchasing extra stuff to get around a design flaw isn't really solving the problem. Especially not when it costs a thousand dollars to buy the tablet in the first place. You might be okay with letting businesses bend you over for all your money, but I'm not.
Or I'm just carrying the iPad with the keyboard case (which for whatever reason doesn't have a spot for the pencil, let alone the adapter). Again, having an adapter doesn't change the fact that it's a design flaw. Apologizing for it repeatedly isn't going to change facts.
And you need to plug in the Pencil to make it work.
I'd rather you just stop, frankly. Seems Steve Job's reality distortion field still works even though he's no longer around.
There's a joke to be said about "might miss ya" and Bluetooth depleting your phone battery while offering subpar audio performance, but I'll save it for another discus- oh, shucks.
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You know, I've read through your rants in this thread, and I've yet to read your industrial design solution to the supposed "problem" you are outlining. It's easy to say, "waaaa, that sucks because I say so," and then to throw down little asides to me that add nothing to your discourse, but it takes intelligent expression to brainstorm a more coginent solution.
So, Mr. Critical Thinking, where would you improve the charging system of the Pencil? Any diagrams you care to share that would be a better mousetrap than what is currently on the market? I'll go pop some popcorn and wait for your presentation.
Otherwise, give it a rest. I'm satisfied with the design; you are not.
It's not my job to come up with an 'intelligent design', it's Apple's job. That's why I pay them thousands of dollars a year. They used to be semi-capable of delivering good design, but recently we've been stuck with stuff like this:
But that's ok because lucky Apple has people like you apologizing for them, so they don't have to try very hard anymore.
PS: literally anything else would be a better idea. Some kind of wireless charging, or allowing the lightning port at the top to swivel/rotate. For 120 dollars, I'd expect them to make more than a minimal effort.
But that's ok because lucky Apple has people like you apologizing for them, so they don't have to try very hard anymore.
PS: literally anything else would be a better idea. Some kind of wireless charging, or allowing the lightning port at the top to swivel/rotate. For 120 dollars, I'd expect them to make more than a minimal effort.
And boy does it seem to be pissing you off
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Does the Surface Pen have an ARM chip in it to help with its function? Sensors on the tip to do tilt detection?
I actually think an eraser wouldn't work on it, because of the design for charging as someone said. I can switch to the eraser by hitting a button on the particular software I'm using, I don't think I'd like always flipping the pen around. As for someone who has extensive background with Note tablets and Phones, the Samsung S Pen is a pain with the button on it. I constantly hit the button when drawing and on games like Draw Something, it leaves long lines all over what I'm drawing when I accidentally hit the button.
I also have a Wacom Intuos Pen and touch tablet for use with my Mac and I find myself hitting the button by accident on that stylus. So I for one am glad there are no buttons on the Apple Pencil. Of course if it were located up high on the Apple Pencil, that would be a different story, but they usually want to place it for ease of pressing while holding a stylus.
Slightly off subject, but as a guy who always had to have the newest phone or tablets in the past, I for one don't foresee anything coming in the future that would make me "Have To" Upgrade my IPP 12.9" or the Apple Pencil. They both do what I need at the moment and am content for awhile anyways. I think Apple did a nice job on these, and I was a diehard Samsung/Android guy.
I also have a Wacom Intuos Pen and touch tablet for use with my Mac and I find myself hitting the button by accident on that stylus. So I for one am glad there are no buttons on the Apple Pencil. Of course if it were located up high on the Apple Pencil, that would be a different story, but they usually want to place it for ease of pressing while holding a stylus.
Slightly off subject, but as a guy who always had to have the newest phone or tablets in the past, I for one don't foresee anything coming in the future that would make me "Have To" Upgrade my IPP 12.9" or the Apple Pencil. They both do what I need at the moment and am content for awhile anyways. I think Apple did a nice job on these, and I was a diehard Samsung/Android guy.
the iPhone 4 was an issue for some but was never one I nor anyone I have ever known who had and still have an iPhone 4 had/has.The iPhone 5 scratching was majorly reported by individuals who were saying all I was doing was putting my phone in my pocket with my keys and change....I cant see how it happened. ...
Bendgate again was mostly reported by people who had their phone in their tight pockets or back pocket and sat on it....unless you count the idiots deliberately trying to bend them on Youtube for money and views. As for the 6S I have never seen issues with dust and never heard any issues with such a thing.
The problem is Apple sell tens if not hundreds of millions of devices and even 10's of thousands who report an issue would only represent a very small proportion of users. Individuals make a a comment about a problem and people lap it up and start decrying entire product lines.
The is no design flaw with the Pencil it operates fine but companies have decided to make an adaptor as there are people who will buy them.
Agreed, I have a wacom stylus and tablet and am forever catching the button. The Apple Pencil is also a far nicer device to hold than my Wacom one too.
And these issues were totally non-issues, right? Which is why each of them got very specifically fixed in the succeeding iPhone model, right?
And that's why apple gets away with these things, fellas
And that's why apple gets away with these things, fellas
I personally am addressing what the thread is about, not what got derailed into a whole Apple thing. There were issues in Android I didn't like and got addressed later. The thread is about the Apple Pencil and if it will be upgraded and "SOME" people want an eraser, I'm sure a lot of people don't. The design would have to change to put an eraser on the other end, but then it might look funny or make the pencil unbalanced if a charging port were sticking out the side of the top of it. So I'm happy to hit a button for an eraser or if they did ad a button to erase on the pen, but moved it up away from where people naturally hold the Apple Pencil to write or draw. Then I would be open to a change. Nobody is ever 100% happy with any device, otherwise everyone would be buying that device and people all have different wants and needs.
You do contradict yourself in the quote above when you say that these are non-issues, which is why they got very specifically fixed in the succeeding Iphone model. Then state And that's why Apple gets away with these things Fellas. You just stated that they fix them in the next model Iphone, so why are you complaining about it? What are they getting away with? If it's hardware issues, can't fix until next model. Software is a different story.
You do contradict yourself in the quote above when you say that these are non-issues, which is why they got very specifically fixed in the succeeding Iphone model. Then state And that's why Apple gets away with these things Fellas. You just stated that they fix them in the next model Iphone, so why are you complaining about it? What are they getting away with? If it's hardware issues, can't fix until next model. Software is a different story.
They're getting away with it because we have to spend thousands of dollars a year on new models to avoid design faults that should never have existed in the first place. Nobody with a straight face can say that the pencil sticking out of the iPad like that is seriously the best they could have done. This is the same company that brought us the iPhone 4 and Mac Pro. I know they're capable of making that charger swivel or something. They're most definitely getting away with the bad design decisions that they haven't fixed yet and don't seem too interested in fixing, such as the 4/4 things on the above image I posted.
I personally don't care much for an eraser but they need to make the pencil charger at least flexible in some capacity so it won't snap if you accidentally put some weight on it.
Overall, despite what you may think, I'm not super passionate about these little design annoyances - they're not a huge deal (except maybe for that iPhone 4 antenna one - that one affected mine pretty badly). But it does get annoying seeing people go to the extreme end of the spectrum and just flat-out deny that these are indeed issues, going as far as apologizing on Apple's behalf. You know, the "you're holding it wrong" crowd.
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I agree that the Pencil sticking out in that way is a poor decision, as I argued that also in the beginning. It costs extra, but there are third party options out there that fix that issue already. There are Apple Pencil Chargers on Amazon, I personally just bought a 3ft Apple Usb to Lightning cable with a power brick and that's How I manage the problem. Yes, it would be nice if they had maybe included a charger cord and brick with the Apple Pencil, but they didn't, so I looked for other options. My point is there are things out there that solve some of the minor problems. Yes, Apple should have thought of these themselves, but they didn't, so I look elsewhere to solve the problems. If Apple did, you know it's another excuse to charge even more.
I also don't like the fact that it was easy to lose the AP cap, yet I found the AP cozy on Amazon, problem solved. In some ways, third party options are better as we all know, Apple costs mucho $$$$. I personally think they are way behind Android and for the price they charge, that's one thing that disappoints me greatly. I don't regret Paying the High Price for the IPP, just for the simple reason it does very well what I need it to and that's facilitate my drawing needs. Samsung and Android failed me with new tech there, so I went to Apple and not disappointed at all.
Coming from Android and I still take it over Apple for a Phone, I agree there are a lot of Shortcomings, but you can say that about pretty much any manufacturer's Device. They always just give enough to justify an increase and a new model device, but never enough in the opinion of me and many others. I do agree by not letting the manufacturers know we are not Happy with things, nothing will be changed. It's going to take a lot more than just a few posts on a forum though.
I also don't like the fact that it was easy to lose the AP cap, yet I found the AP cozy on Amazon, problem solved. In some ways, third party options are better as we all know, Apple costs mucho $$$$. I personally think they are way behind Android and for the price they charge, that's one thing that disappoints me greatly. I don't regret Paying the High Price for the IPP, just for the simple reason it does very well what I need it to and that's facilitate my drawing needs. Samsung and Android failed me with new tech there, so I went to Apple and not disappointed at all.
Coming from Android and I still take it over Apple for a Phone, I agree there are a lot of Shortcomings, but you can say that about pretty much any manufacturer's Device. They always just give enough to justify an increase and a new model device, but never enough in the opinion of me and many others. I do agree by not letting the manufacturers know we are not Happy with things, nothing will be changed. It's going to take a lot more than just a few posts on a forum though.
The state of the Canadian pesos ain't helping either. The iPad Pro 9.7 base model here costs 800 + tax, plus 129 for the Pencil and 199 for the keyboard case.
Yeah, you definitely are getting taken there! LOL Seriously though, it is a bit overpriced, but hey, I paid it because nothing else out there for me to use that I liked. And I did try different options before I went with the Ipad Pro. So It wasn't my first choice, but I'm happy with it and that makes it worth it for me. I can't speak for you or others though.
I do wish they had a floating browser option for apps that don't work with the Side by Side Option. That's really my only big complaint with the Ipad Pro, but I have my Samsung Note 10.1 I can always fall back on if needed.
I do wish they had a floating browser option for apps that don't work with the Side by Side Option. That's really my only big complaint with the Ipad Pro, but I have my Samsung Note 10.1 I can always fall back on if needed.
This thread was actually opened regarding an Apple Pencil "2" hardware upgrade, which was never reported anywhere in the first place.
Speaking from personal experience, I find that the charging method of the Apple Pencil works way better in real life than the videos and photos give it credit for.
I am a teacher who uses my iPad Pro in the classroom every day, and I only charge my Apple Pencil via the Lightning port of my iPad. Not once have I felt there was any danger of it snapping. It's also very convenient, and a breeze to pair.
I think it's clever, convenient, and makes full use of the hardware you have on you without having to cart along an additional adaptor, cable and / or power bank. I honestly can't think of a more elegant charging solution.
Yup. The charging method may look awkward, but if you actually think about it rather than just making a knee-jerk/troll post, it's actually genius. With this charging method you can never be left in a situation where you have a charged iPad and a dead battery in your Pencil. You don't have to carry anything extra - no adapters, no cables, no extra batteries. Any other design would require carrying some extra part. If you really dislike this charging method so much, put the included lighting adapter on the top, and leave it there. Now you have a pencil that charges like you think it should, and can carry around a charging cable for it. Have a better idea? Let's see it. Because the one Apple went with is actually just about perfect.
As for the eraser? I have two generations of Surface Pros as well, and at first I missed the eraser. Now that I've spent so much time with the iPP I have actually found that it is generally more convenient to tap the eraser button on my toolbar than it is to flip the pencil over twice to make a small correction. No big deal and I don't expect Apple to change it. I would like to see some options for different tips, however.
As for the eraser? I have two generations of Surface Pros as well, and at first I missed the eraser. Now that I've spent so much time with the iPP I have actually found that it is generally more convenient to tap the eraser button on my toolbar than it is to flip the pencil over twice to make a small correction. No big deal and I don't expect Apple to change it. I would like to see some options for different tips, however.
"Genius"
The Pencil's charging mechanism has been almost globally panned. I do like how you're calling me a troll because I have a differing opinion than you. It just goes to show the quality of posting we can expect from MacRumors members nowadays.
The Pencil's charging mechanism has been almost globally panned. I do like how you're calling me a troll because I have a differing opinion than you. It just goes to show the quality of posting we can expect from MacRumors members nowadays.
As zhenya says, Apple did include a charging adapter. Anyone who buys a Pencil would also have an iPad, and a charger cord and brick comes with the iPad.
Basically, you can't afford the iPP or the pencil, so to justify your inability to purchase you knock the products. Cute.
(My Pencil is at home but I can take pictures of it if it really makes you feel better)
Never, ever pull out the "ya well u just cant afford it" card. It really, really isn't flattering your image at all and just lets me know you've run out of useful things to say at this point.
I don't mind the lack of eraser either personally, but the pencil charging mechanism could stand to be improved. saying *any* other design would require more parts is a little bold. How's this one: make it magnetically clip to the smart connector to charge and transport just like the keyboard that manages to do it and was released at the exact same time.
Globally panned, but I have yet to see anyone actually come up with what would be a better solution. Steve's suggestion of a magnetic system is a decent one, but magnetic charging is very slow compared to a direct connection, so it'd really need to be an additional charging method rather than the only one. And that just increases costs, complexity and uses up space they may not have had.
If Apple had just built the pencil with a female lightning port nobody would have panned the design, but it would have been considerably more cumbersome for those of us who actually use the thing regularly. Sometimes the masses are wrong.
There have been several suggestions (you can do the research yourself), but it's not our job to design Apple's stuff for them. The whole "ya well lets see u do better" argument is tragic, frankly.