As someone that has M1, I desperately need this new model. I cannot….CANNOT stand the display with the M1 with the bloom issues. But I’m trying to hold off as long as possible.
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iPad Pro Shipment Projections Slashed on Sluggish OLED Panel Demand
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Most, not all, but most of the OS debate between iPasOS and MacOS is based on each user‘s past workflow habits.
For example, my kids have grown up with the iPad workflow in school and at home. They prefer the iPad to the Mac. For most of us, we prefer our habits. Many of us would fell differently if we had years of use on the other device.
For example, my kids have grown up with the iPad workflow in school and at home. They prefer the iPad to the Mac. For most of us, we prefer our habits. Many of us would fell differently if we had years of use on the other device.
It's the price, FFS 🙄 People can't afford housing and food, they're not spending $1599 on an iPod Touch Pro Max
The reason I have not upgraded from my 2018 iPad Pro is iPadOS and its massive limitations. And I'm not even talking about power...it can't even do google drive/docs properly in safari or chrome with a trackpad attached like a laptop, let alone proper multitasking etc...it is a beautiful hardware device however and if you can make it fit your needs I'm sure it's the best device.
I had a long haul flight last week with a woman beside me with the 13", and the $500 CAD case/keyboard/mousepad asking how she liked it. What was her use case? She indicated she had software so she could hand off some things she does on her PC or Mac to it, and found it really handy while travelling. Loves the case. She had the pencil, but never used it. She had a book she was reading open for a half hour, switched to a few movies and shows. While that was playing with no sound she then proceeded to get her phone and play some sort of bejeweled game for five hours. I blankly looked at the flight map for a few hours muttering what are we doing? All that money for a consumption device that is barely utilized.
Give me an iPhone Fold instead but obviously they won't do that because they don't one device to cut into the sales of another. I personally hardly ever touch my iPad since getting the Galaxy Fold 6.
Does TikTok even have a full iPad app or does just blow up the iOS app slightly, leaving a ton of dead space on the screen? I don't use that particular app, but I've seen that disappointingly often in other apps on my iPad. I guess I should be happy I can run 2 small iOS-style apps side by side? Do people really do that, often?
A good description of where we are..
New shiny object syndrome
I'm blown away with how little people know about their own purchases or what they can do, etc
My family and friend groups are full of people that don't know the first thing about anything on their devices, yet they keep buying very expensive ones to do extremely basic things that any device in the last 7 or so years could do with aplomb
We seem to have "information everywhere" and a society of really low information users
I have a 7th Gen iPad which I use a lot for browsing, YouTube, email, forums and some writing tasks, and I honestly don’t need it to do more.
* full-fat Windows or macOS? Don’t need it
* faster M4 processor? Don’t need it
* brighter, more well-defined colours? Don’t need them
* more storage? Don’t need it
As far as I’m concerned, the iPad Pro M4 is massively over-specced and over-priced for it’s most common use-cases.
I don’t like to watch movies on my iPad, it’s too small. I don’t like to game on it, I’ve given up gaming. I don’t edit movies on it, I almost never work with movies.
* full-fat Windows or macOS? Don’t need it
* faster M4 processor? Don’t need it
* brighter, more well-defined colours? Don’t need them
* more storage? Don’t need it
As far as I’m concerned, the iPad Pro M4 is massively over-specced and over-priced for it’s most common use-cases.
I don’t like to watch movies on my iPad, it’s too small. I don’t like to game on it, I’ve given up gaming. I don’t edit movies on it, I almost never work with movies.
For me it’s the OS. I don’t have a very demanding workflow, it’s similar to a college student. But I’ve found too many issues/restrictions in iPadOS that have no workaround that I can’t justify such an expensive purchase/upgrade of the iPad Pro line. And I’m not qualifying it as expensive because I can or can’t afford it, but by comparing it to other options, that can do more with fewer limits, such as a MacBook Air or even Surface tablet.
But Apple has me as an iPad customer as a companion device because of the Apple Pencil for note taking and the integration with all the other Apple products. And I’m fine with that I suppose.
That being said, looking forward I would upgrade to a new iPad Air if it just had a 120hz screen. Or even 90hz. The pro is over priced in my opinion for the features I find important. Everyone has a different opinion and I think a majority of those different opinions are saying to hold off on upgrading.
But Apple has me as an iPad customer as a companion device because of the Apple Pencil for note taking and the integration with all the other Apple products. And I’m fine with that I suppose.
That being said, looking forward I would upgrade to a new iPad Air if it just had a 120hz screen. Or even 90hz. The pro is over priced in my opinion for the features I find important. Everyone has a different opinion and I think a majority of those different opinions are saying to hold off on upgrading.
Now if only they’d put those ProMotion Tandem OLED panels on MacBook Air or MacBook Pro (in other words, a device that runs macOS, which I need to be able to compile and run code)…
The entire problem here is Apple trying to create a segmented lineup and upgrade tree where there doesn't need to be one
If iPadOS is all they're ever going to allow on these things, we don't need all these models.
They aren't that different in what they can actually accomplish
Tim is addicted to the recipe of adding endless SKUs and baiting people up the upgrade chain for features they've purposely withheld for more expensive models
None of this is about great value for the customer or giving folks what they might actually need or want
It's just a huge scheme to get as much money out of you as possible
Yes, it's a business .. but they've taken the balance here all the way over to "just rip everyone off as much as we can to juice the stock price"
This is clear as day, across the entire company now
It makes me at least a little happy that more and more folks are finally waking up to it.
This is not mid 2000's Apple anymore (not even close)
You probably won't magically have a use for it that you didn't before. Don't save up for one unless and until you find a better use that's limited by what you already have. Otherwise you'll be disappointed.
I have a plain old iPad 9 for media consumption and to play games. Sometimes I consider saving up for a model with a better screen, but that starts looking like laptop-level money, and then I'd rather replace my laptop instead.
While I agree that habits can play a roll, my experience with my 12” M1 iPP was that the workflow changes were incredibly inefficient compared to MacOS. Simple tasks became drawn out chores and most complex tasks had me reaching for my MBP. Eventually it just became a glorified web surfing device and even then it’s shockingly limited battery life had me again reaching for my MBP. Finally traded it in for cash a month ago and haven’t missed it at all.
I'm very happy with mine. But I am a visual artist and writer so it works well for what I need. I can see it's stuck between a laptop and whatever it is. For me it fits well. I don't need to do certain things people here keep hinting at. I'm not 100% sure exactly what the 'use cases' are. I'd like to know more. But I can imagine that - yes, a laptop will work better for some people. And honestly the price is high. I feel in general a lot of the 'tech' folks I know are sort of fine with what they have right now and I have a hard time imagining something that would ignite massive new sales and interest.
Yep. I agree. That’s the business model that has worked so far but now the hardware lines of air and pro are blurred due to the limited OS and power of the M chips. So they try to separate by hardware, nerfed to create a division in products, ie limited feature sets that are standard in other brands’ lower tiers.
Your absolute right. This business model won’t work well moving forward.
I think it could work if they split the line by os instead and keep parity with screen, battery life, processor. The base and air keeping the vanilla flavored iPadOS and the pro line getting a hybrid/upgraded iPadOS or full fledged macOS.
But when Apple has such a dominant market share in tablets, they won’t move strategy until they absolutely have to.
Sales haven't slowed due to OLED screen lol. It's stalled because they still treat it like a third class citizen.
If I want a laptop Ill buy a MacBook Pro, If I want a convince device ill buy a tablet much cheaper.
They need to just merge OSX and iPad OS into one unit allow cross applications, Just sell one as a tablet where you buy the azssecories to make it a laptop if you want and a Laptop that comes pre-made for mobility.
Not a hard concept. Also remove those bezels this isn't 2001
If I want a laptop Ill buy a MacBook Pro, If I want a convince device ill buy a tablet much cheaper.
They need to just merge OSX and iPad OS into one unit allow cross applications, Just sell one as a tablet where you buy the azssecories to make it a laptop if you want and a Laptop that comes pre-made for mobility.
Not a hard concept. Also remove those bezels this isn't 2001
Completely agree. Steve was more than happy to cannibalise because "If we don't, someone else will".
It's the price. My $1500 iPad should've been closer to $1200, and the base $1000 model should be closer to $800.
The iPad line is too aggressively segmented, IMO. In the iPhone space, there's a $200 jump from the Nice model and the Pro model, whereas the iPad has a $400 jump from Air to Pro. People would be more inclined to climb that price ladder if the rungs were closer together.
The iPad line is too aggressively segmented, IMO. In the iPhone space, there's a $200 jump from the Nice model and the Pro model, whereas the iPad has a $400 jump from Air to Pro. People would be more inclined to climb that price ladder if the rungs were closer together.
Not sure I agree with OLED displays being brighter. Mini-LED LCD displays in TVs are typically brighter than OLED displays, so this probably wouldn’t be any different for laptops (MacBook Pros currently have mini-LED LCD displays).