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Just a point re the 'inconveniece' of using an ipad plus keyboard versus a laptop. I have a 13" RMBP. I love it, but since getting my 64gb Air 2 and iOS 9 the laptop's main job has been to stream stuff via Apple TV and create the odd iBook with iBook Author.

For writing I now use Ulysses on both iPad and OS X (feature-wise, they're virtually identical) with the older style Apple Bluetooth keyboard. That keyboard is a 'proper' keyboard as opposed to the ones designed for tablets (I've tried a few; didn't like) and it takes literally seconds to set up. Possibly less time than getting the RMBP going, and I put my laptops to sleep, I don't shut down. In addition, it takes away the fear of drinking near a laptop ... Rightly or wrongly, I'm less scared of fatally messing something up by slinging hot chocolate over it since the keyboard isn't anything but a keyboard. Granted, if I needed to juggle a lot of research with writing I'd probably return to the laptop simply because Ulysses doesn't yet have slide-over support which would make it difficult for me to access my notes in Evernote whilst actively writing, but Soulmen have promised that update is coming shortly.

The point being, I do think we're reaching a point where the iPad is no longer inherently restricted just because it's a mobile OS; I think (hope!) other devs will follow the same path as the Soulmen and aim for feature parity as far as possible across x86 and iOS. Hopefully iOS 10 will allow us to work more sensibly with files—even multiple files—across apps and once we have that, really, we're nearly there. The limitations will start to cease being a matter of mobile vs 'full' OS and become a simple one of power: you wouldn't try to do CPU-heavy activities on a netbook, regardless of the OS, and the people who need that level of power will probably always want the flexibility of a high-end laptop/desktop anyway.

I tried a Surface for a week and I couldn't stand it; it had all the failings of Windows as a laptop and none of the advantages of the iPad as a tablet and for me, that was too much of a compromise. I do see that for now there are specific use cases where the iPad (any iPad) simply can't measure up, but I agree with those who say that the gap will narrow year on year. And I can't wait!
 
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The iPad was something very interesting but, being frankly it actually failed miserably building a "post-pc era" as predicted by Jobs.

First the iPad have never been even close to be an true and legit PC replacement, as much is an restricted alternative good for quick tasks that requires mobility and don't involve too many data input or specific routines found on desktop applications.

Maybe one of the few applications that have an iPad version which is as full featured as its windows/osx/Linux counterpart is Office 360, but these exception are rare and will be rare for a long time.

But ok that's only question of time for developers to full port their apps from osx to iOS/iPad, but that time will be measured by the user base wanting those fully featured iPad version of their apps.

And then the ultra-cheap laptop and the Phablet arrived...

For many people is far more productive and convenient to have an Phablet and a cheap laptops (either running wincrap or osx or chrome or Linux) than owning an iPad, an iPhone (or any small smartphone) and a desktop, they solve more things more quickly and with more familiar solutions w/o having to load extra stuff as keyboards, not requiring to learn to use another word processor neither being complicated by propertary file handling that almost almost make impossible to copy an file to an pendrive, that killed the iPad as 'post-pc' device, most iPad are used now just to Web surf and as e-readers, very few are used to generate documents, simple a 900$ device can't compete with another one that costs 200$ and is fully capable to do the work not requiring to learn anything and in most cases neither require to buy software (as open office is an true legit office alternative that cost nothing everybody knows how to use since it's very similar to mso), to compete the iPad Air has to cost 200$ include the keyboard cover and office 360 or comparable office solution pre-installed or available for free, also included support to read/write files to pendrive (not just the cloud, since people doesn't want to be slave of the Internet connection or simply don't want to upload private and sensitive content to the cloud).

So, the iPad and the android tablets are Doomed, those who want an iPhone with bigger screen are buying an iPhone plus instead an iPad mini to team with an 4" iPhone.

Neither gorgeous screens and powerful hardware will apart the tablet from this reality, they are not laptop replacement neither pc alternative.

IMHO Apple should focus on the lower range MacBook and make cheaper and more functional, apple needs an 300$ non retina MacBook at least or sell the iPad with very low margin including features as the keyboard in that price.

That's the reality.
 
Indeed it would be very interesting to see OS X run on A9X, but I think it better to see it on the Macbook and not on an iOS device.
Why not both. I said this back when i got my first keyboard for my 1st gen iPad.
I'd love to have an iPad with OS X, then dock my keyboard? And run full OS X. So simple, but I guess Apple fear this will can use their profitability of potentially selling a costumer 2 products.
without getting carried away, but TB port on the iPad pro could open so many different opportunities, external displays, maybe even eGPU and TB dock. Apple have really underwhelmed us with the ipp in context of functionality. Does look good and a wonderful tablet though, but not quite the laptop killer, the surface 3/4 excels over it in this regards.
 
What is the power envelope of the comparison? The power envelope of the iPad Pro is higher than the systems an Intel M chip is going into. It's like saying a bike in fourth gear can go faster than a bike in second gear.
 
They better get there before Microsoft.... oh wait.
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Unless you have something I don't, no iOS or touch on MacBook.

People want a retina tablet that runs OS X and has a keyboard and mouse support. This is a MacBook, as OS X does not have touch and obviously isn't iOS.
 
Cool story, one company's processor in a "Pro" machine rivals another company's entry level processor. The post PC era is truly here.

Physics dictates that a fanless 5w chip will likely do worse than a fanned 28w chip if both companies are actually working on their processors. I don't see how anyone is surprised by that idea.
 
People want a retina tablet that runs OS X and has a keyboard and mouse support. This is a MacBook, as OS X does not have touch and obviously isn't iOS.

People want touch AND OSX AND iOS. Steve Jobs said people don't know what they want until they get it. And until Apple can provide that, I guess Microsoft is the only solution that works.
 
People want touch AND OSX AND iOS. Steve Jobs said people don't know what they want until they get it. And until Apple can provide that, I guess Microsoft is the only solution that works.

And if Apple gave that, we'd be saying how much of a compromised machine it was.
 
And if Apple gave that, we'd be saying how much of a compromised machine it was.

It shouldn't be. Apple has already moved to a single port for *everything*. My rMBP 15" without the keyboard would be a great true iPad Pro. I just need a screen with the computer guts inside. One USB C port. They could start simple. Run OS X only in kickstand mode, and run touch when holding in your hands. Later on, they can implement more touch into OS X.

Technically, they can do this right now.
 
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It shouldn't be. Apple has already moved to a single port for *everything*. My rMBP 15" without the keyboard would be a great true iPad Pro. I just need a screen with the computer guts inside. One USB C port. They could start simple. Run OS X only in kickstand mode, and run touch when holding in your hands. Later on, they can implement more touch into OS X.

Technically, they can do this right now.

iOS runs on ARM, OSX does not. Moving one to the other would do this amazing thing called 'lower the application count'. Using both would lead to issues that make the Surface Book look like a well working machine.
 
iOS runs on ARM, OSX does not. Moving one to the other would do this amazing thing called 'lower the application count'. Using both would lead to issues that make the Surface Book look like a well working machine.

Just as they had Intel versions of OS X way before they released intel machines, I'm sure they have both ARM and Intel versions of iOS in the lab. Hell, I'll bet they are working on ARM Mac OS as well.
 
Just as they had Intel versions of OS X way before they released intel machines, I'm sure they have both ARM and Intel versions of iOS in the lab. Hell, I'll bet they are working on ARM Mac OS as well.

And then we have the app problem.
 
And then we have the app problem.

They could so something initially, like they did with Rosetta. Or maybe they have something in their back pocket with Swift that would make porting simple, or even some tools for native conversion.

First gen wouldn't be pretty, but it would be a start.
 
They could so something initially, like they did with Rosetta. Or maybe they have something in their back pocket with Swift that would make porting simple, or even some tools for native conversion.

First gen wouldn't be pretty, but it would be a start.

Or they could just make iOS 10 have amazing Pro level apps and make it the padOS. Then they wouldn't have to make everyone change everything on a whim.
 
Or they could just make iOS 10 have amazing Pro level apps and make it the padOS. Then they wouldn't have to make everyone change everything on a whim.

Not against that. But I don't know if they are going to be carrying that many operating systems. Tim said he doesn't want to merge iOS and Mac OS, but padOS would certainly be a third. I don't think you can put the type of power you would need in an iPad, inside of it's size. It would be heavier and thicker.
 
Not against that. But I don't know if they are going to be carrying that many operating systems. Tim said he doesn't want to merge iOS and Mac OS, but padOS would certainly be a third. I don't think you can put the type of power you would need in an iPad, inside of it's size. It would be heavier and thicker.

watchOS
tvOS
iPhoneOS or phoneOS
iPadOS or simply padOS

All of them based on iOS.

OS X being offed in about 7 or so years.
 
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