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Edit: Also can you tell me, if I have say, an external hdd or flash stick or memory card with lots of old unorganised family photos that I need to go through and delete any low res duplicates, what would be the futuristic way of doing this on an iPad pro? Or say a music collection I need to import from the same external media source, how would one do this? Or say I'm a photographer with 400GB worth of work I need to get through in raw format? Or a video editor with multiple TB worth of 4K footage?

The futuristic way would be not to have junky USB devices full of badly organised photos. That's pretty much exactly the point. You got into that mess because you had access to–and unimaginative developers encouraged or required you to use–a file system. You manually tried to organise them, probably more than once, your old software exposed you to the low res copies making matters worse, and you had nowhere convenient to store any of them. Without removing the file system you can't break the cycle of dependency. My photos are organised like never before. I can find any one within seconds no matter where in the world I am (idiotic argumentative scenarios aside). My photos are safe, shareable, and backed up and I have no idea what their file names are or it what meaningless 'folder' the lower level OS is pretending to 'store' them in. And I don't want to know, because finding a photo by its arbitrary pathname strikes me as useless vs finding it via geotag or facial recognition.

Same with music. You no longer need to be lugging it around on physical devices. My music collection just exists in the ether around me. I honestly care not for where else it may be. (Aside from a backup solution I have to use right now.)

As for TBs worth of 4K footage, I note cloud sceptics resort to that scenario every time, as if we're all editing 4K every day. If you're that guy that then yeah, you might to wait for bandwidth to catch up. Meanwhile writers only work with kilobytes, illustrators with megabytes, and animators with gigabytes. All of those things are 'pro' and can work just fine right now if the proper workflows are in place.
 
The futuristic way would be not to have junky USB devices full of badly organised photos. That's pretty much exactly the point. You got into that mess because you had access to–and unimaginative developers encouraged or required you to use–a file system. You manually tried to organise them, probably more than once, your old software exposed you to the low res copies making matters worse, and you had nowhere convenient to store any of them. Without removing the file system you can't break the cycle of dependency. My photos are organised like never before. I can find any one within seconds no matter where in the world I am (idiotic argumentative scenarios aside). My photos are safe, shareable, and backed up and I have no idea what their file names are or it what meaningless 'folder' the lower level OS is pretending to 'store' them in. And I don't want to know, because finding a photo by its arbitrary pathname strikes me as useless vs finding it via geotag or facial recognition.

Same with music. You no longer need to be lugging it around on physical devices. My music collection just exists in the ether around me. I honestly care not for where else it may be. (Aside from a backup solution I have to use right now.)

As for TBs worth of 4K footage, I note cloud sceptics resort to that scenario every time, as if we're all editing 4K every day. If you're that guy that then yeah, you might to wait for bandwidth to catch up. Meanwhile writers only work with kilobytes, illustrators with megabytes, and animators with gigabytes. All of those things are 'pro' and can work just fine right now if the proper workflows are in place.

I take a lot of your points and agree with you to some level, especially the simplicity of photo management under the new order, however I will share with you the context of how I got in that mess in the first place and you may realise why it was this new forced method of photo management that in fact caused this mess...

The reason I have lots of low res duplicates is in fact iOS and iCloud's fault. I uploaded my photo collection to shared photo albums on iCloud and deleted the originals from the iPhone! I then later realised this process butchered my photos and thought all had been lost. I was fuming, however, luckily Dropbox saved my ass as all the photos had also been backed up there, without being completely messed up! As I didn't discover the Dropbox backup until a few weeks later I just bit the bullet and saved all the downresed photos in the iCloud shared albums back to local storage to salvage what was left of my photos. Then when I found the Dropbox backup I saved them all locally as well and somewhere along the line they all got merged in with each other!

I realise if I had chosen to back them up to iCloud outside of the shared albums functionality the images would not have been downed in resolution but I didn't know this at the time and frankly, what is meant to be simple, is in fact, very complicated! Added to that there are multiple apps/services such as Dropbox and Google drive backing your photos up from iOS as well and it all becomes a real headache!

When I finish rectifying the mess Apple has gotten me in, perhaps I won't need to work with base image files as you mention above, but it's still nice to know more about your photos, such as there size and meta data! The current photos app on iOS does not offer this... If it was more like photos on OS X maybe I could live with it!
 
I take a lot of your points and agree with you to some level, especially the simplicity of photo management under the new order, however I will share with you the context of how I got in that mess in the first place and you may realise why it was this new forced method of photo management that in fact caused this mess...

The reason I have lots of low res duplicates is in fact iOS and iCloud's fault. I uploaded my photo collection to shared photo albums on iCloud and deleted the originals from the iPhone! I then later realised this process butchered my photos and thought all had been lost. I was fuming, however, luckily Dropbox saved my ass as all the photos had also been backed up there, without being completely messed up! As I didn't discover the Dropbox backup until a few weeks later I just bit the bullet and saved all the downresed photos in the iCloud shared albums back to local storage to salvage what was left of my photos. Then when I found the Dropbox backup I saved them all locally as well and somewhere along the line they all got merged in with each other!

I realise if I had chosen to back them up to iCloud outside of the shared albums functionality the images would not have been downed in resolution but I didn't know this at the time and frankly, what is meant to be simple, is in fact, very complicated! Added to that there are multiple apps/services such as Dropbox and Google drive backing your photos up from iOS as well and it all becomes a real headache!

When I finish rectifying the mess Apple has gotten me in, perhaps I won't need to work with base image files as you mention above, but it's still nice to know more about your photos, such as there size and meta data! The current photos app on iOS does not offer this... If it was more like photos on OS X maybe I could live with it!

Ok er, 'transitional pains then', sorry for misreading your plight..o_O

I agree that Photos is bogged down by some confusing terminology and unhelpful pop-up prompts and I will merrily roast Apple on every aspect of their software these days, for design, and quality. They made you mess up badly, but perhaps to be a little bit fair to the argument, Photo's has a way to do exactly what you needed (optimise local storage) and having a file system wouldn't have prevented you from deleting those files, and possibly could have aided you to do something worse. (Deleted all the low res copies too maybe? Deleted all the Dropbox files?) I don't know. This situation you're now in, (many duplicates) is something best fixed by a content aware application, i.e. a Photos app of some kind, which may not yet exist. I'm all for more and better features in apps, rather than looking back to the sixties for brute force solutions.
 
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I'm hopeful that USB 3.0 speeds for the lightning port will usher in 256gb+ iPads, target display mode and a Lightning to GbE adapter. I have a number of clients that due to regulatory rules, cannot support WiFi.

I'm glad to hear this. Not sure who your clients are, but I've mainly run into this in government installations, especially where wifi is not available due to bandwidth limitations. It renders the iPad useless. Similarly, for security reasons my corporate office has its wifi network on a different subnet than the hard wired network, meaning that the iPad cannot connect to anything behind the firewall, again rendering it useless for many business uses. I'm so tired of consumer-minded Apple users who don't understand this issue and berate those of us who are dealing with it.

Yeah, no reason they couldn't. Especially since 10/100 Ethernet already sortof works through a lightning to usb to Apple usb to ethernet adapter...

What do you mean it sort of works? It's possible to access a hard wired Ethernet network on the iPad via the available dongles? Please do elaborate, as this would solve a lot of issues for me and friends.

But no one is talking about USB 2.0 or 3.0 regular or micro-connectors for god's sake. We're talking about using USB-C instead of Lightning. USB-C is the new STANDARD for EVERYTHING. It will encompass Thunderbolt III and USB 3.x and all power connections. It's literally a one connector does EVERYTHING standard and it will be on EVERYTHING within a few years. It's also reversible and not dainty like the micro-USB connectors. In short, there is ZERO reason for Lightning to exist at this point. Apple should have waited and just moved everything Lightning now does over to USB-C last year and EVERYTHING on EVERY Mac next Spring when Thunderbolt III over USB-C plus Skylake with graphics are available (I mean every single Mac made and every single mobile device made and maybe even your television, stereo and hell your refrigerator while they're at it. There is ZERO need for ANY other type of connector in the near future on any product other than for backwards compatibility for existing devices.

There is absolutely one major reason for Lightning to exist, which is clearly far more important to Apple than it is to you. The Lightning connector is slimmer than USB-C, and thus is the better choice for Apple from a design standard, especially as they continue to shave off millimeters of thickness with every generation. It's also more sturdy for mobile applications. With only eight exposed pins on one side of a low profile connector, it's much easier to protect against water and dust ingress. If the Lightning connector is yanked out of the port, it's less likely to damage the internal connector, a situation that's much more likely on the go than at the home or office.

The reality is, that Lightning is the mini USB connector for USB-C. Apple has essentially signaled its intent to replace all other ports with USB-C, but even while embracing it, they need a smaller connector for design purposes, which is at least as important to Apple as is functionality. Mobile device manufacturers have been using mini-USB connectors for well over a decade because they needed a smaller footprint on their smaller products. Apple needs it just as much. Why else would they patent a way to make the ubiquitous mini-phone plug smaller?

It may not make any sense to you, but that's the way it is. Besides, other than requiring an adapter, I don't really see the disadvantages to using Lightning as a connection method since it can essentially offer much, if not all, of what USB-C does.
 
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I'm glad to hear this. Not sure who your clients are, but I've mainly run into this in government installations, especially where wifi is not available due to bandwidth limitations. It renders the iPad useless.

I have a number of clients that are PCI DSS, and one government agency.

What do you mean it sort of works? It's possible to access a hard wired Ethernet network on the iPad via the available dongles? Please do elaborate, as this would solve a lot of issues for me and friends.

I've tried it with multiple USB ethernet dongles and the results are always the same. The devices pull too much power and IOS gives me the warning and disconnects on my iPad Air. Now maybe the iPP can supply enough power to work since it's a USB host now.
 
I've tried it with multiple USB ethernet dongles and the results are always the same. The devices pull too much power and IOS gives me the warning and disconnects on my iPad Air. Now maybe the iPP can supply enough power to work since it's a USB host now.
Have you tried using them with a powered hub? isn't that the work around for USB flash drives when used with Apple's Camera Connector kit?
 
You do understand that iClouds (so does Dropbox) has folders right? Wich means a filesystem..

It does now but he talked about the future. It won't be that long before everything exists only on the cloud. Every device will be connected to the net and we won't store anything locally. It makes sense, is makes devices cheaper for companies to make and minimises data loss for those who have a lax backup strategy in place and most of all is convenient as hell
 
Have you tried using them with a powered hub? isn't that the work around for USB flash drives when used with Apple's Camera Connector kit?

Thanks! I forgot about the powered hub and it works with both of my ethernet dongles. It looks like a rube goldberg with Camera connection USB -> USB A to USB B cable -> USB Hub Host -> USB Ethernet Dongle -> Network cable, but it works.
 
It's perfectly possible to "touch up" the OS X GUI. But that involves updating the current one, obviously you can't just throw it into a tablet in its current form.

Assuming for a moment that you can run OS X on an ARM chip (which you can't, and neither can you run iOS on x86, so the chances of running both iOS and OS X apps on one device is zero), even if Apple "touches up" OS X, what would be the point? You spend 95% of your time in applications, not the OS. So what you need is to "touch up" the GUIs of the thousands and thousands of OS X applications, which Apple cannot do, nor can they force developers to do so. But that's why they are coming at it from another direction with iOS and the iPad Pro. This way developers are encouraged to make desktop level TOUCH apps.
 
It does now but he talked about the future. It won't be that long before everything exists only on the cloud. Every device will be connected to the net and we won't store anything locally. It makes sense, is makes devices cheaper for companies to make and minimises data loss for those who have a lax backup strategy in place and most of all is convenient as hell
You realize that future requires everyone to be using the same cloud on a unified standard everyone in the world agrees upon?

The criticism about the iPad Pro is that it has to work in today's professional environment, which is far from the data utopia of which you write.

It's fine for Apple to push people in that direction, it's quite another to offer a "professional" hardware that requires compromises in their workflow. For the avergage consumer these issues are not a big deal. And indeed it's changing that mind set at home that trains the office worker to implement these kinds of changes in the workplace. Until then it's integrating with a corporate bureaucracy. But let's be honest about this -- Apple is not really offering a professional tool. "Pro" is a marketing term, plain and simple, which describes a more robust and versital device, not necessarily one suitable to corporate workflows as they exist today.
 
Thanks! I forgot about the powered hub and it works with both of my ethernet dongles. It looks like a rube goldberg with Camera connection USB -> USB A to USB B cable -> USB Hub Host -> USB Ethernet Dongle -> Network cable, but it works.
Wow, seriously!? So the iPad has been capable of supporting Ethernet only network connections!? Holy cow. Is this something that came out with iOS 9 maybe to support the iPP? Or has it been around for a while? Is it gigabit?

I guess the thinking by Apple is that if you plug an iPad into Ethernet, then you'll be near a power source as well to compensate for the added power draw, not to mention being willing to put up with your apt Rube Goldberg description.
 
Is it gigabit?

No both dongles that I have are 10/100Mbs ethernet. I don't have a gigabit ethernet dongle to test with. Connected everything, turned off WiFi and tested wth iPerf 3. Both the Macbook (iperf server) and iPad were connected to a gigabit switch.

[ ID] Interval Transfer Bandwidth

[ 5] 0.00-1.01 sec 12.2 MBytes 102 Mbits/sec
[ 5] 1.01-2.01 sec 12.5 MBytes 105 Mbits/sec
[ 5] 2.01-3.02 sec 12.9 MBytes 108 Mbits/sec
[ 5] 3.02-4.00 sec 12.9 MBytes 110 Mbits/sec
[ 5] 4.00-5.01 sec 12.9 MBytes 107 Mbits/sec
[ 5] 5.01-6.01 sec 13.0 MBytes 110 Mbits/sec
[ 5] 6.01-7.01 sec 13.1 MBytes 109 Mbits/sec
[ 5] 7.01-7.68 sec 8.75 MBytes 110 Mbits/sec

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pluggable USB 2.0 Ethernet Adapter Model # USB2-E100, Anker AH240 SuperSpeed Charger and Data Transfer Hub with 7 USB 3.0 Ports. The hub being USB 3.0 was overkill, but that's what I had handy to test with.
 
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Thanks! I forgot about the powered hub and it works with both of my ethernet dongles. It looks like a rube goldberg with Camera connection USB -> USB A to USB B cable -> USB Hub Host -> USB Ethernet Dongle -> Network cable, but it works.

Right, yes, that works :) You need a powered hub. But if i remember correctly you can't even access the interface through the Network settings (unless they snuck something in iOS 9) - but if there is DCHP available it will just silently work.
 
The reality is, that Lightning is the mini USB connector for USB-C. Apple has essentially signaled its intent to replace all other ports with USB-C, but even while embracing it, they need a smaller connector for design purposes, which is at least as important to Apple as is functionality. Mobile device manufacturers have been using mini-USB connectors for well over a decade because they needed a smaller footprint on their smaller products. Apple needs it just as much. Why else would they patent a way to make the ubiquitous mini-phone plug smaller?

It may not make any sense to you, but that's the way it is. Besides, other than requiring an adapter, I don't really see the disadvantages to using Lightning as a connection method since it can essentially offer much, if not all, of what USB-C does.

Complete and utter nonsense. The size difference is negligible (http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015...y-stuff-at-ces-that-everyone-is-going-to-use/). Your entire argument is predicated on a fraction of a millimeter. It's like trying to say it makes any difference if your already insanely over-thin credit card is 5% thinner. WHO THE FRACK CARES!?!?!?!?

Standardization is paramount and any company that doesn't get that will eventually be left behind (look at Apple's failed past printer, network and other propriety protocols and the size of their continued lack of global market share...in ANYTHING). The capability of USB-C is leaps and bounds above lightning including full physical compatibility with Thunderbolt III. Lightning will never have those capabilities. Worse yet, it represents a POINTLESS extra connector in a brand new ONE CONNECTOR WORLD. Apple cannot risk long term sales of iPhones based on being the oddball in the crowd. Everyone else is using the best there is and there's odd Apple using some ancient relic that means buying other cables that work with nothing else, left behind for no other reason than their own over-inflated sense of self-importance. Lightning will be gone within three years. Put bluntly, Apple simply cannot afford to NOT get rid of it, absurd "needs to be even thinner than paper" arguments not-withstanding. That's simply how it is.
 
USB 3.0 is only twice the speed of USB 2.0? Something seems off with these numbers


"Support for USB 3.0 speeds is notable because the Lightning port on current iPads and iPhones can only transfer data at around 25 to 35MB/s, which is USB 2.0 speed. At USB 3.0 speeds, data transfers would be upwards of 60MB/s"

Did you read at all?

Also, for the unenlightened moaning about USB-C - it's far too thick for iOS devices....
 
Complete and utter nonsense. The size difference is negligible (http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015...y-stuff-at-ces-that-everyone-is-going-to-use/). Your entire argument is predicated on a fraction of a millimeter. It's like trying to say it makes any difference if your already insanely over-thin credit card is 5% thinner. WHO THE FRACK CARES!?!?!?!?

No Apple wouldn't be interested in anything like that: /s

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USB-C-vs-Lightning-port-size-dimension-comparison-graphic


It's clear from these drawings that the Lightning port is more than a "fraction of a millimeter" smaller. Moreover, the USB-C port is only slightly smaller than the headphone jack. A jack Apple recently gained a patent on a slimmer design:

apple-patent-headphone-connector-7.jpeg


Now why would Apple patent such a ridiculous design concept, except, oh, because they intend to make their devices even slimmer. And this would put the headphone jack in the ballpark of the Lightning connector.

But fine you don't agree, because:

Standardization is paramount and any company that doesn't get that will eventually be left behind (look at Apple's failed past printer, network and other propriety protocols and the size of their continued lack of global market share...in ANYTHING). The capability of USB-C is leaps and bounds above lightning including full physical compatibility with Thunderbolt III. Lightning will never have those capabilities. Worse yet, it represents a POINTLESS extra connector in a brand new ONE CONNECTOR WORLD. Apple cannot risk long term sales of iPhones based on being the oddball in the crowd. Everyone else is using the best there is and there's odd Apple using some ancient relic that means buying other cables that work with nothing else, left behind for no other reason than their own over-inflated sense of self-importance. Lightning will be gone within three years. Put bluntly, Apple simply cannot afford to NOT get rid of it, absurd "needs to be even thinner than paper" arguments not-withstanding. That's simply how it is.

Last I checked, there's at least 9 different USB connectors in use within the PC and Android markets. Then there's various sizes of IEEE/Firewire, Thunderbolt, Display Port, DVI, HDMI, Ethernet, VGA, SATA, not to mention SD, CF and various other storage mediums -- all currently in use in various applications. Are all of those legacy devices going to get instantly replaced? Are PC makers going to eliminate all other legacy ports? The fact is, there has never been a unified standard that has served everyone. And by the time an apparent standard starts to gain traction, a new one comes along that addresses newfound needs the original "standard" didn't. Do you honestly think that in the at-least 5 years it's going to take for USB-C to make its way into the mainstream market place, that there won't be some new need, or better connector that will replace USB-C? Or do you think USB-C will be the last connector anybody will ever need?

Good luck with your one-connector utopian world. Meanwhile, if Apple has two options, that's doing pretty well, considering the state of everything else in the marketplace. Especially, when Lightning gives them design flexibility, and durability in mobile applications, where the devices have yet to demonstrate the need for anything greater than Lightning will accommodate, including the iPad Pro.
 
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Your diagrams only prove my point. The USB-C connector fits fine on an iPhone. The iPhone doesn't need to be thinner. It needs more battery time. But you know better than me or Apple so just keep on spouting off about how Lightning is better than a universal standard. Your "9" previous standards are OLD standards. USB-C will replace virtually everything with one connector except in the most extreme cases. Does my phone need to be credit card thin? Why would it? Just because. :rolleyes:
 
The iPhone doesn't need to be thinner. It needs more battery time. But you know better than me or Apple so just keep on spouting off about how Lightning is better than a universal standard.
Actually Apple thinks the iPhone need to be thinner or at least they have been thinking just that untill today!
 
Actually Apple thinks the iPhone need to be thinner or at least they have been thinking just that untill today!

How thin is thin enough for god's sake? There's a point where it's not comfortable to hold. Some have said it's already gotten to that point, particularly due to its slippery surface. The thing is, you can't really use the phone like that, regardless because you'll scratch/drop/break the thing. Almost everyone I've ever met that has an iPhone has it in some type of holder/case. Most of them (to make it be able to not break from a 1 foot drop) are quite thick and rubbery. So what good does it do to have an ultra-thin phone when the net result is that it's just put into a thick case? Make the phone scratch, dent and shatter resistant and shaped and textured so it won't "slip" out of your hand (yet another reason people get rubbery cases) and you wouldn't NEED that holder that defeats the point of being thin.

Now if you had a choice between the iPhone being thinner and having half the battery life or being slightly thicker and having twice the battery life, which would you choose? Most people I know WISH the iPhone had a longer battery life, particularly doing heavy tasks (one friend runs her side-store off her phone while she's out, for example and she went with Android because she could get a really big battery for it that lasts all day regardless of how much she uses it and what she's doing on it.
 
How thin is thin enough for god's sake? There's a point where it's not comfortable to hold. Some have said it's already gotten to that point, particularly due to its slippery surface. The thing is, you can't really use the phone like that, regardless because you'll scratch/drop/break the thing. Almost everyone I've ever met that has an iPhone has it in some type of holder/case. Most of them (to make it be able to not break from a 1 foot drop) are quite thick and rubbery. So what good does it do to have an ultra-thin phone when the net result is that it's just put into a thick case? Make the phone scratch, dent and shatter resistant and shaped and textured so it won't "slip" out of your hand (yet another reason people get rubbery cases) and you wouldn't NEED that holder that defeats the point of being thin.

Now if you had a choice between the iPhone being thinner and having half the battery life or being slightly thicker and having twice the battery life, which would you choose? Most people I know WISH the iPhone had a longer battery life, particularly doing heavy tasks (one friend runs her side-store off her phone while she's out, for example and she went with Android because she could get a really big battery for it that lasts all day regardless of how much she uses it and what she's doing on it.
It's not a matter of what I think is thin enough, iPhone 5 was thin enough for me but that did not stop Apple to make it thinner in the next iteration.
Do I agree with Apple's thinner = Better? Not always, but I am not the one in charge, and it's not like Apple like to be told what we want, on the contrary they like to tell us what we want / need.

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A thick case in a slimmer phone = slimmer than thicker phone with thick case.
 
Your diagrams only prove my point. The USB-C connector fits fine on an iPhone. The iPhone doesn't need to be thinner. It needs more battery time. But you know better than me or Apple so just keep on spouting off about how Lightning is better than a universal standard. Your "9" previous standards are OLD standards. USB-C will replace virtually everything with one connector except in the most extreme cases. Does my phone need to be credit card thin? Why would it? Just because. :rolleyes:

I was never arguing it didn't. And it's fine to like what you like, but when has Apple ever been in the business to cater to the individual? I don't need a larger iPhone than my 5S, but not only did Apple make one when they stated they wouldn't, it's the only sized flagship iPhone I can buy. If Apple want's to make the iPhone smaller, they will whether you like it or not. In which case the Lightning connector helps them achieve that.

So your position is that USB-C will replace all other connectors until the end of time? Good to know.

It's not a matter of what I think is thin enough, iPhone 5 was thin enough for me but that did not stop Apple to make it thinner in the next iteration.
Do I agree with Apple's thinner = Better? Not always, but I am not the one in charge, and it's not like Apple like to be told what we want, on the contrary they like to tell us what we want / need.

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A thick case in a slimmer phone = slimmer than thicker phone with thick case.

Thank you for this bit of sanity. Agreed, a slimmer phone plus a slimmer case, means thinner overall phone/case combination. Also, I carry my iPhone in my front jeans pocket, without a case so it slides in and out easier. The smaller and slimmer it is the better for me.
 
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I was never arguing it didn't. And it's fine to like what you like, but when has Apple ever been in the business to cater to the individual?

Exactly whom are they catering to? That is the real question and that is the question that will determine if Apple is still around in ten years time. Apple has traditionally shown contempt (via Mr. Jobs in the past) for feedback, outside opinions, etc. and so what you got was what Jobs wanted (Isn't there a modified Roger Waters' song called "What Jobs Wants?" :D ("What Jobs wants, Jobs gets Jobs help us all! What Jobs wants! Jobs Gets!")

But NOW, Jobs is DEAD. Exactly whose vision of Apple products are we seeing today? I don't think it's Tim Cooks. I'm not sure why Jobs chose him, but I suspect it had to do with continuing the Jobs vision (as Cook has NO vision of his own that I can see, other than pleasing stock investors with buybacks, splits and dividends, things that Jobs would have crapped his pants over). Is it Mr. Ives' vision? Maybe, but WTF does he have to do with the Jobs legacy? He was a pitbull on a leash before and now he's running wild. The problem is that he's just conforming to what everyone else is doing (Everyone else wants FLAT? Let's give them flat too!) Jobs would never got for that. Jobs would get what Jobs wants and make the world love it, not the other way around. He was a leader, not a follower. Ive is a follower. Cook is a follower and more comfortable with finance decisions than creative ones.

This brings us back to the Lightning connector. I see it as a two-fold existence. It had reasons for coming into existence (thinner phones, reversible connector and selling lots and lots of high-profit accessories by changing an existing "standard" for iOS devices). It should have been USB 3.x type speeds from Day 1. That would have solved a lot of problems. But people are in denial that there ever was/is a problem. "People don't sync their phones over wires anymore so it doesn't matter! Get in the cloud! It's cloudy out! Clouds rain on you; don't rain on their silver lining!" Yeah, well WiFi sync is a nice option to have, but you have to charge your device anyway, so why not have a secure HIGH SPEED sync while you're at it at the end of the day? Apple had Gigabit STANDARD when most PCs didn't even have Ethernet built-in for Jobs's sake! Why didn't Apple ever move up to 10 or 100 Giga? Oh, now we have Thunderbolt so we don't need it, but hardly anyone is using that for high speed networking. Everything is CONSUMER GRADE. Well, that's what PCs were in 2001 when my Power Mac was built with built-in Firewire 400 and Gigabit with dual-CPUs. It was easy to open and access (no screwdrivers needed to open the case). It was sweet looking for a tower case. Now what do we have? A trashcan design (it's different; I'll give you that) that went back to non-standard video port connectors, no internal expansion (a PRO tower should be portable without carrying a mish-mash tangle of wires around), etc. all just to look different. There's nothing wrong with different as long as it's still functional. But when your "different" is JUST TO BE DIFFERENT and avoids a STANDARD for differential sake, you're just isolating yourself and the Windows fanboys are laughing their arses off at how stupid the Mac/iPad Pro, whatever has become.

Cook is like "Macs and PCs are different" to explain why the iPad Pro is a great piece of hardware driven by a PHONE operating system. It doesn't have to have desktop OS X, but only an idiot would think that a phone OS is "good enough" for something that is clearly meant to be an alternative to a Macbook. People claim that it takes too much effort to make a "Universal" App that has two different GUIs for a "hybrid" setup like Windows 10 on a Surface Book, but what's the alternative? Having to build TWO ENTIRELY DIFFERENT APPS to work on two incompatible devices AND having to buy the two hardware devices (more $$$) to boot. I'm sorry, but that argument alone speaks to why Tim Cook is going to ruin Apple and why he should be removed immediately. There are lots of little things too. No eraser on their "pencil", no place to park the pencil on the iPad Pro. Why upgrade that Lightning port to USB 3.x speeds and have it be USB 3 on the other end on a giant arse device? Why not just use a USB 3 or USB-C port on it? Then you won't need freaking adapters to connect USB devices to it! That's the point! That's the difference between having a STANDARD and having a POINTLESS non-conforming propriety format that does the same damn thing. Maybe you can argue for a proprietary port or connector for this razor thin iPhone you want, but it's not needed on the iPad Pro or the new keyboards or mice Apple just introduced. Use standards where you are able to and use custom crap only when necessary because there is no alternative.

Tim wants people to write better apps for the iPad Pro. Why should they? It's more work for a non-existent market. But if every Macbook could be reversed into a tablet mode, there would be ONE HELL of an incentive to offer a tablet mode. Microsoft cannot control what 3rd party vendors offer in terms of notebooks or tablets or hybrids, but Apple controls 100% of the Mac/iOS products out there. That means if they say hybrid Macbook tablet, EVERYONE will have one that wants to use OS X mobile products in the future and whether or not they actually USE the tablet mode doesn't matter. What matters to developers is that they have a potential audience for that interface that they don't have with a product that no one uses and few know what they would do with it other than watch movies on a nice high resolution screen.

If anything, it is Apple that should have gone hybrid, not Microsoft because Apple controls the entire ecosystem and that means it could actually work and work well. Microsoft has its hands tied halfway with limited control over anything done in terms of hardware. That's why they suddenly are making their own devices because the 3rd party mantra is don't rock the boat until after it sinks.

If Apple wants to INNOVATE, they need to do it with new products and concepts that challenge the norm, not make pointless connector changes that cheese people off by having to buy $20, $40 and even $80 adapters for everything they do. I was against USB-C when it first came out because that's what it appeared to be doing, just changing the port to fix a few minor things like reversibility that isn't worth buying $30 adapters over. But what got me behind it is the Thunderbolt III + USB 3.x combination port that literally does everything you can imagine. And while Thunderbolt itself never struck me as all that big a deal either (it's mostly been a high speed hard drive standard for people with RAID setups, etc., but we already had eSata so....), but Thunderbolt III is not only fast enough now to contend with many internal PCI speeds, but it's standardized to put everything easily external (i.e. a Macbook or PC notebook with Thunderbolt III can dock with ONE wire to a hub with a graphics card in it and be a full blown gaming/video editing desktop power house on the desk and a notebook you can take with you by unplugging ONE wire. Now THAT is an innovative change. It just killed the traditional desktop! You won't need a desktop, just a hub and monitor(s) and whatever keyboard/mice/trackpads you might want on that desk and you just sent the Macbook down and connect ONE wire and you're done! Awesome.

Apple will HATE it, though because it means less hardware to sell you. And THAT is the REAL reason Mr. Cook doesn't want to go hybrid. The weight arguments, etc. are all just technical limtations that will be gone in a few years as things ever get faster and lighter and more powerful. No, Tim Cook doesn't want to go hybrid because it means LESS SALES by basically wiping out most of the need for separate devices. If you have a Macbook Air that is also an iPad Pro and high-end iMac with the addition of a monitor and hub, WTF would you spend 2x-4x as much for multiple devices duplicating those services? You wouldn't. You now have 3 devices in one with very little compromise in terms of hardware (slight weight thing that will go away in short order). All you need is something to TIE it together and that is a PROPER ecosystem where hybrid <> crap. I'm not saying there wouldn't be some growing pains along the way, but Microsoft didn't get to the Surface Book in one year either. Apple is selling out their own future to make more profit in the short term. It will cost them in the long run as will every decision like holding onto this lightning connector in areas where they should already be moving to USB-C in anticipation for it taking over the industry for at least the next 5-10 years. The new Apple mouse and keyboard and iPad Pro should have all been USB-C, PERIOD. You can argue about a thinner phone, but use standards where standards make sense. Don't rip off your customers by forcing them to buy adapters and the like as they will resent it (look back to the title of the thread; "...New Adapters in the Works." If everything is going to USB-C, move it and move it now. The "Hub" can have the old connectors on it to transition.

So your position is that USB-C will replace all other connectors until the end of time? Good to know.

I don't recall saying until the end of time. That IS a LONG time. But I think it's a fair bet this connector or an updated version of it will be around for the next 5-10 years, probably longer. Look how long the standard USB connector has been around now (17+ years and counting).
 
Well, that's what PCs were in 2001 when my Power Mac was built with built-in Firewire 400 and Gigabit with dual-CPUs. It was easy to open and access (no screwdrivers needed to open the case). It was sweet looking for a tower case. Now what do we have? A trashcan design (it's different; I'll give you that)

If Apple wants to INNOVATE, they need to do it with new products and concepts that challenge the norm
So "they need to do it with new products and concepts that challenge the norm" but when they do "Now what do we have? A trashcan design (it's different; I'll give you that) ?" You need to make up your mind.

2001 PowerMac had Firewire, nMP has Thunderbolt, 2001 had 2 cpu , 2013 has 12(yes i know it's cores not cpus but still) and the 2013 design looks sweet for a workstation your point being?

I would say the 2013 MP challenges the norm, the problem is, when the "New Apple" or "Tim's Apple" does challenge the norm people just complain!

Also The PowerMac Cube was not so different from the 2013 MP (as in concept) and that was under the Jobs era.

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You won't need a desktop, just a hub and monitor(s) and whatever keyboard/mice/trackpads you might want on that desk and you just sent the Macbook down and connect ONE wire and you're done! Awesome.
If you want a laptop that can replace your desktop with an easy connector, Apple already made that, it was called DUO , so much for your idea of "innovation", 2015 feels like 1992.
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So "they need to do it with new products and concepts that challenge the norm" but when they do "Now what do we have? A trashcan design (it's different; I'll give you that) ?" You need to make up your mind.

I'm sorry. I should have specified more clearly that it needs to be FUNCTIONAL (as in the trash can look isn't the real problem; it's moving ALL PCI expansion external so you need a jumble of wires for professionals that often need to take their rig with them and the aforementioned issue of a non-standard GPU connector so that standard NVidia cards and the like cannot be update by the user like the old Mac Pro. I thought this was clear. I guess I needed to spell it out.

2001 PowerMac had Firewire, nMP has Thunderbolt, 2001 had 2 cpu , 2013 has 12(yes i know it's cores not cpus but still) and the 2013 design looks sweet for a workstation your point being?

I would say the 2013 MP challenges the norm, the problem is, when the "New Apple" or "Tim's Apple" does challenge the norm people just complain!

You lost me. I don't know WTF you're talking about at this point. I'm talking about supporting standards here in the present and you're talking about the past. Apple had Firewire, yes. They also supported USB 2.0. Yes, they finally added USB 3.0, but now they're sending mixed signals. The Macbook has USB-C, but nothing since then has added it. Some of us think they will add it on all models when Thunderbolt III with USB-C comes out, but that's speculation. What I'm saying is that Apple updating the Lightning cable for USB 3.x speeds suggests they won't support USB-C on mobile devices and that will add more unnecessary adapters and cables. Then in two years, they'll change it anyway.

Also The PowerMac Cube was not so different from the 2013 MP (as in concept) and that was under the Jobs era.

It wasn't meant to be a Mac Pro or the ONLY tower/desktop. If they offered the new model AND the old one (updated), I don't think anyone would complain. But replacing something with a product that is LESS functional is a disaster. It cost Apple almost all their remaining PRO users in the film industry by pulling Final Cut Pro and switching to Final Cut Pro X before it was ready to replace it. They cut XServe and tell people to use a Mac Mini instead (seriously???) Apple is making a lot of nonsensical decisions lately and killing their true "PRO" market in the process.

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If you want a laptop that can replace your desktop with an easy connector, Apple already made that, it was called DUO , so much for your idea of "innovation", 2015 feels like 1992.

Yeah, that shows that Apple was more innovative in some areas than before Jobs came back. Now it's innovative how, exactly? Oh yeah, trash cans with a jumble of wires expansion. ;)
 
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