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Why would anyone think an iPad is taking sales away from a windows-equipped Surface? Because they both lack built-in physical keyboards?

A tractor has tires, and a formula one car has tires, therefore tractor sales are taking over the racing scene.
If want to compare surface rt yes (dead project) or cheap asus tablet.
 
i just wish they made a new iPad Mini.... it's my favorite size.

iPad Mini Pro would be perfect. Around 8''.

YES. I've written Apple repeatedly at their feedback page pleading for an iPad mini Pro. I love all the tiniest stuff they make. My iPhone= SE and I carry around an iPad mini 4 plus a very nearly full size bt keyboard and a Kindle and a smaller SmartPen sketch book in a wee lil bag (along with an auxiliary battery that can charge whatever likes USB and an Apple Watch that is way smaller than what a normal sized iPad would allow-- mights well get a laptop if yer going that big). It lets me edit photos and read on a much larger and useful screen than even the largest iPhone allows. Lightroom mobile is the bomb on that thing, but more speed would be rad.
 
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I can't go on productivity based on the screen looking dated. The only thing different about an iPad is, its a larger iPhone.

Apple certainly needs to step up the tablet game, iOS 13. Not sure why iOS cannot split from to have phone and tablet, this company has the money to do this. Tablet specific development of iOS is heading at a snails pace.

At this rate iOS 13 then 15, 17,...
 
i just wish they made a new iPad Mini.... it's my favorite size.

iPad Mini Pro would be perfect. Around 8''.
I’m more convinced than ever a new iPad mini is on its way. It sells reasonably well, is important to more than a few verticals and is getting long in the tooth. (2GB is the only thing that’s saving this A8 device.)

Really, Apple could just drop in an A11, maybe upgrade the cameras a bit, bump it to 3GB and it would be a viable product with a 3-4 year shelf life. True Tone would be likely, better sound wouldn’t surprise me, Pencil support/Pro motion may not be included. I don’t really expect a Pro version; it would be nice but I don’t think the volume is there.
 
From the iPad or for it? Cause I am right there with you and my Surface Pro 4 is terrible. It's slow, the wifi is unreliable, and it can't even handle Office let alone real professional apps. I now have a $1200 tablet that I only use for displaying sheet music.

I dunno what you bought, I've been using for two years 5 days a week as a software developer. I have a i7, no wifi issues. only issue is the power management isn't so great when its not plugged in, doesn't always sleep when you close the keyboard. What do you actually do on the ipad? The Surface isn't perfect but still much more useful than an iPad.
 
I dunno what you bought, I've been using for two years 5 days a week as a software developer. I have a i7, no wifi issues. only issue is the power management isn't so great when its not plugged in, doesn't always sleep when you close the keyboard. What do you actually do on the ipad? The Surface isn't perfect but still much more useful than an iPad.

I am a student with 30 credit hours a semester. I take handwritten notes on five to seven 50 page PowerPoints a day and about another 10 to 20 journal articles a week. It's medicine, so I need to be able to search every document and it was one note that sold me on it. I was told by Microsoft that it could handle that workload, but by the time I got to 50,000 pages it became very unstable. It crashes randomly and forget about zooming in and out as you draw and write as the text disappears. By the time I got to 80,000 pages One Note just shuts down. The wifi is a mess. we have about 340 devices in the classroom and all of the ios devices are fine, but surface users have just learned to turn wifi off and on again ever 45 min or so. IT claims there are no issues with the network and they think its a isolated to our devices.

We take online exams and it crashed in the middle of it. I got so mad I went to best buy and upgraded my old ipad to an 10.5 pro and imported my powerpoints into notability. I haven't had wifi, slowdowns, or app crashing issues since. I don't like that Notability doesn't sync directly with my PC, but i'd rather a device that works when I need it.
 
Not sure why tablets not any more popular... I guess most people can get by with a smartphone or a "phablet".

I was one of the people who thought the iPad was just a big screen iphone, but the bigger screen made all the difference. Its the difference between a Go Kart and an SUV.
 
I do remote technical support. I was at the bank a few months ago and decided to use the iPad Pro to get work done on it. Snapping windows side by side was cumbersome. Accessing my Dropbox from with Word for iOS resulted in problems, but they opened from Pages fine, but copy and pasting templates was slow and jarring. But I got it done, it just wasn't the best experience.

The thing I miss the most is the mouse. Touch its great for handheld operation ... but a drag in the desk or lap operation for the most part. Unless one is editing images or painting.

You Word/Dropbox issues is down to MS software not the iPad.
 
I wish Apple would allow the iPad Pro to be turned into a Surface like a competitor with a mouse and keyboard and full OSX. Apple's Cook though said they don't ever plan to do that, shame sigh!
 
The thing I miss the most is the mouse. Touch its great for handheld operation ... but a drag in the desk or lap operation for the most part. Unless one is editing images or painting.

You Word/Dropbox issues is down to MS software not the iPad.
with android tab.. easily attach keyboard and mouse.. Yes it work..
 
The wifi is a mess. we have about 340 devices in the classroom and all of the ios devices are fine, but surface users have just learned to turn wifi off and on again ever 45 min or so. IT claims there are no issues with the network and they think its a isolated to our devices.

Wife’s Lenovo had the same issue right out of the box. I think it’s a Windows 10 issue. I managed to mostly fix it by going into Device Manager, pull up the properties of the WiFi adapter, and then uncheck the option that says “allow Windows to turn off this device to save power.”
 
Wife’s Lenovo had the same issue right out of the box. I think it’s a Windows 10 issue. I managed to mostly fix it by going into Device Manager, pull up the properties of the WiFi adapter, and then uncheck the option that says “allow Windows to turn off this device to save power.”

We tried that and it didn't work. But I do appreciate you suggesting it.
 
We tried that and it didn't work. But I do appreciate you suggesting it.
That’s too bad. It certainly seems like the WiFi portion of Windows 10 has issues. Even with that fix, our Lenovo often takes ages to connect to a network on wake. In all my years of Windows use, sleep/wake is by far the biggest frustration, and it was terrible for me with every Surface I owned. It was my expectation that every week I’d have a sleep/wake related issue that required a reboot. It may have been as simple as not detecting the Type Cover or microSD on wake, to bigger problems like waking to a black screen or a completely dead battery. Apple does a much better job here, be it on MacOS or iOS. Apple is almost too aggressive with enforcing sleep policy, but I honestly prefer that to an unknown result due to some program (like an open browser) not letting the machine sleep properly.
 
That’s too bad. It certainly seems like the WiFi portion of Windows 10 has issues. Even with that fix, our Lenovo often takes ages to connect to a network on wake. In all my years of Windows use, sleep/wake is by far the biggest frustration, and it was terrible for me with every Surface I owned. It was my expectation that every week I’d have a sleep/wake related issue that required a reboot. It may have been as simple as not detecting the Type Cover or microSD on wake, to bigger problems like waking to a black screen or a completely dead battery. Apple does a much better job here, be it on MacOS or iOS. Apple is almost too aggressive with enforcing sleep policy, but I honestly prefer that to an unknown result due to some program (like an open browser) not letting the machine sleep properly.
sleep wake issue mean simple thing . low ram for hibernate.
 
I wish Apple would allow the iPad Pro to be turned into a Surface like a competitor with a mouse and keyboard and full OSX. Apple's Cook though said they don't ever plan to do that, shame sigh!
And that's why the iPad is little more than a niche product, like every other tablet. But at least with something like the Tab S3 or S4, you can use it like a computer, with mouse, keyboard support, plus have file system access and be able to download, copy and transmit any file type. Apps aren't sandboxed like in iOS either.

But for the money, a Samsung Chromebook Pro is better than any tablet and miles ahead of the iPad.
 
Just my 2¢... iPads need mouse support if they're keeping 'Pro' in their titles. Sticking with Apple forces you into a laptop/desktop if you like/have to work with a mouse. Was looking into switching from Mac mini to iPad Pro 12.9" and from Adobe to Affinity, but its looks like it can't be with an iPad unless you use your fingers or Apple Pen...meh.
 
My only question, if Widows is still strong, why do these analytics reports keep mentioning a 'nose dive'?
 
I am a student with 30 credit hours a semester. I take handwritten notes on five to seven 50 page PowerPoints a day and about another 10 to 20 journal articles a week. It's medicine, so I need to be able to search every document and it was one note that sold me on it. I was told by Microsoft that it could handle that workload, but by the time I got to 50,000 pages it became very unstable. It crashes randomly and forget about zooming in and out as you draw and write as the text disappears. By the time I got to 80,000 pages One Note just shuts down. The wifi is a mess. we have about 340 devices in the classroom and all of the ios devices are fine, but surface users have just learned to turn wifi off and on again ever 45 min or so. IT claims there are no issues with the network and they think its a isolated to our devices.

We take online exams and it crashed in the middle of it. I got so mad I went to best buy and upgraded my old ipad to an 10.5 pro and imported my powerpoints into notability. I haven't had wifi, slowdowns, or app crashing issues since. I don't like that Notability doesn't sync directly with my PC, but i'd rather a device that works when I need it.
I had the same issues with the SP3 and SP4. I should have just kept my SP2.

For me, however, my iPad Pro 12.9" works perfectly (I also have a beastly hackintosh to go with it--don't start the iPad as a laptop stuff) as my mobile computing solution. So many devs have now made really good pro level companion apps for the iPad and even iPhone. Scrivener, Affinity Photo and Designer, Wordpress, etc. In other words, I am with you. The iPad always is cool, long-lasting battery, instant on. It never hot bags, crashes, updates and then doesn't work after I spent a day loading things in a specific order, sleep/wake problems. GAAAH!!!

I do miss that kickstand and keyboard though. Those are legit. MS should make a iPad case and a keyboard with a smart connector that matches their surface stuff. THOSE WOULD SO SELL.
 
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Ironically, even when “crippled”, there’s still no contest.
Don't think Apple can't lose the tablet market. Apple is doing micro updates to its product and no longer doing dramatic updates. People may float to the hybrid tablets that let them use a mouse or transform into a full laptop. My wife loves her iPad, but cannot access her work email system from it because the Safari browser on the iPad is not compatible with her work email system, so she has to sit down in front of our home computer for that. That's an extra step and an anti-easy way for her to function. Path of least resistance wins in computer use every time. So don't think Apples exclusionary approach will win over time. Their closed ecosystem will be tolerated until it isn't.
 
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I am a student with 30 credit hours a semester. I take handwritten notes on five to seven 50 page PowerPoints a day and about another 10 to 20 journal articles a week. It's medicine, so I need to be able to search every document and it was one note that sold me on it. I was told by Microsoft that it could handle that workload, but by the time I got to 50,000 pages it became very unstable. It crashes randomly and forget about zooming in and out as you draw and write as the text disappears. By the time I got to 80,000 pages One Note just shuts down. The wifi is a mess. we have about 340 devices in the classroom and all of the ios devices are fine, but surface users have just learned to turn wifi off and on again ever 45 min or so. IT claims there are no issues with the network and they think its a isolated to our devices.

We take online exams and it crashed in the middle of it. I got so mad I went to best buy and upgraded my old ipad to an 10.5 pro and imported my powerpoints into notability. I haven't had wifi, slowdowns, or app crashing issues since. I don't like that Notability doesn't sync directly with my PC, but i'd rather a device that works when I need it.

Sounds like crappy software more than hardware, 80,000 pages is nothing for a modern computer to handle. Anyway glad you got something that works for you.
 
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