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Anyone that doesn't realize omission of features was done to keep price down is an idiot.

The key point Apple had to hit was price. Nearly everything else was secondary to price. With such a low price, Apple can now expand outward and improve on the device quickly, upping prices once people believe the iPad is relatively inexpensive.

Camera on iPad is pretty fatuous, anyway. The amount of users that need a camera on such a device is minimal.

They aren't going to be 'upping' prices, just upping profit margins. The manufacturing costs will go down over time so adding a camera and more memory will cost less later for Apple, but they will be making more money at the same price points.
 
Get Over the Nose thing!!

Why on earth would you want this feature? People keep saying they would want it, but I can't think of why. I guess so you can give remote deviated septum diagnoses??

People keep saying this (granted this is a funnier way of saying it), but I put a mirror in my lap to see if in fact you would be looking up my nose. Guess What, MY HEAD TIPS, you look down and the relationship between the flat surface and your face stays the same. You don't look up someone's nose.

Ok, that's my rant.
 
Ya, look at the iPhone, we are still waiting, multi-tasking, video chat, keyboard (a real one), etc, etc.

With all due respect, I agree with the strategy that Apple purposefully holds off on "key" features to fuel the product refresh cycle, however, a real keyboard on the iPhone would be completely against their investment $$ in capacitive touch technology.
 
again, i know it's a supply issue.

That's certainly a reasonable-sounding explanation. I'm continually amazed at people who think the omission of a camera is a cynical ploy by Apple to get people to buy the same thing three times-- that isn't how the computer industry works, and that isn't how Apple works. As a 20+ year veteran of the computer industry, I can tell you that time to market is everything. You need to build market share, you need to scale up a complmentary infrastructure of third-party developers-- the sooner you get the first product out into the market, the sooner all the truly important stuff starts to happen. Holding up release 1 in order to get in a few more cool features or waiting for component supplies to ramp up is just plain dumb.
 
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Why does everyone assume this is for the second generation? They added it between the last sdk and this one, so I'm thinking it is relevant now. I wouldn't be surprised to see a camera in the first ipad.

That said, a camera would make exactly zero difference to me. I think I've used my imac's iSight for video chat about twice, and that was just for the novelty of it.
 
Has anyone thought about this?

With the lawsuit with Kodak....and the threat to halt any imports with camera tech.....is Apple hedging their bets by just not having a camera on the iPad until the lawsuit is out of the way?
 
It doesn't make any sense to be "adding" this **** to the dev kit if the decision was already made to remove it from the hardware. It's just as likely that this is a "one more thing" feature for Steve to announce. The 4G iPhone will most likely add a front facing camera (and a rear flash) and so announcing a front facing camera on the iPad would have led to the obvious conclusion that the 4G would get it too (or complaints if it didn't.) Either way, Apple doesn't want to talk about the 4G iPhone right now, and it's not like anyone is going to complain if they add a camera to the iPad for the same price, right?

Until the damn things actually ship, no one will truly know what the exact HW configuration is going to be, so relax and let's see what happens.

They have it in the SDK my guess is that because there will be an external accessory like an ipod connector with a camera on it which i do admit is a good part in apple saves alot more money for just making an external hardware Add-On.
 
never use it

How many people actually use iSight? I've used mine a couple times for profile pictures, but the quality is terrible and no one ever good looks on a webcam.

I don't really see the point. I certainly wouldn't pay extra for it and I would actually prefer an iPad without it.
 
I have to admit that despite rarely using videoconferencing it is a feature I'd like to see on a device like the iPad.

In fact, videoconferencing is a technology that is right up Apple's alley. It's a feature that is ubiquitous on laptops and desktops and yet there's a substantial barrier to its widespread use. Apple's greatest successes have come from bridging these gaps with a combination of hardware and software.

Like others have stated, it may very well be that this is being held in reserve for the iPhone rather than the iPad. My suspicion, should this be the case, is that this is a strategic decision rather than a technical one.

An iPad with a front facing camera and an unlimited $29.99 may very well impact on 4th gen iPhone's. I can't say how significant this might be or how practical it may prove to use an iPad as a poor man's mobile videophone, but one might imagine some users realizing that they don't need expensive voice plans under 2 year contracts in order to satisfy all their mobile computing and telephony needs in one device. This scenario is not beneficial to either Apple or AT&T.

This is all speculation, but in light of this rationale it may make better sense for Apple to hold off on introducing a video enabled iPad until 4th gen iPhone sales have peaked, should the next iPhone have this feature.
 
Amazing how an ancient an irrelevant feature gets such overdue attention.

Guess what? We'll all be able to take photos and video chat with the iPad... It has a physical camera accrssory called the iPhone that anyone remotely
interested already has.

Guess what? Two weeks after release there will be an app that let's you pair your iPhone to your iPad and use iPhones camera facing you and the iPad screen for video chat.

Lack of imagintion around here is pathetic at best. Ever notice developers don't waste their time with this website andnits whiny petulant commenters?

Yeah that makes perfect sense :rolleyes: And why would you need wireless or 3G when it also has "a physical networking accessory called the iPhone that anyone remotely interested already has". I guess it doesn't really need a screen either, or any storage, or anything else that the iPhone has. So all you need is the empty retail iPad box and you're good to go according to your logic.
 
People keep saying this (granted this is a funnier way of saying it), but I put a mirror in my lap to see if in fact you would be looking up my nose. Guess What, MY HEAD TIPS, you look down and the relationship between the flat surface and your face stays the same. You don't look up someone's nose.

Ok, that's my rant.

Not being able to see up my nose is a deal breaker for me. No Nose = No Buy:D

(I would never have thought this...great idea!)
 
I bet Apple releases a camera that is external, and plugs into the USB port. It'll have a swivel so you can have it front facing or face the back to take pictures.
 
How many people actually use iSight?

It all depends on how many of your friends have it.

Videocalls are obviously the future and the more of your friends that have video ipads, the more sense it will make.

The problem with web cams is they have never been that portable, but now all that is changing

My sis has just moved away and its great to chat, but also get a guided tour of the house etc with a wireless laptop. The iPad is going to make it even more mobile.

Say you go to a free concert in the park - you could stream it live to your friends.

Or you could set it on the floor next your young ones and let the gramps across the globe come face to face with the new family.

A proper portable video conferencing machine is going to open up so many new possibilities....
 
I wonder if one of the things Apple COO Tim Cook said today could be linked to the lack of camera on the iPad. Apparently he said Apple have been saying “no” to good ideas that distract focus from the great ideas they say “yes” to. It could well be that the implementation of a camera at this point is a good idea and not a great idea from their point of view and they are simply looking to improve upon its integration.
 
I bet Apple releases a camera that is external, and plugs into the USB port. It'll have a swivel so you can have it front facing or face the back to take pictures.

That would be the ideal solution

video conferencing needs forward facing
augmented reality needs a rear camera

Wouldn't like to bet against either as being "the future"

In fact - what a brilliant idea

The student could video the lecture and take notes at the same time.
 
People keep saying this (granted this is a funnier way of saying it), but I put a mirror in my lap to see if in fact you would be looking up my nose. Guess What, MY HEAD TIPS, you look down and the relationship between the flat surface and your face stays the same. You don't look up someone's nose.

Ok, that's my rant.

Right, it'll just be a bunch of people with double chins because they're looking down. Still ridiculous.
 
Question

With the lawsuit with Kodak....and the threat to halt any imports with camera tech.....is Apple hedging their bets by just not having a camera on the iPad until the lawsuit is out of the way?
 
I bet Apple releases a camera that is external, and plugs into the USB port. It'll have a swivel so you can have it front facing or face the back to take pictures.

Except the iPad doesn't have a standard USB port... Maybe they release a camera that plugs into the dock connector at the bottom, but that would get messy.

They should have just put in the $9 part (camera).
 
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